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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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Oh hai guyz.
I have internetz for like... five mins. I came to say.... WOOOOO! (Happy hour started 5 mike's ago for meh...)
And um... uh... what was I saying?
Am I channeling the biotic god right now?
Oo
PS: Mike's hard black cherry lemonade tastes like liquid smartees. Jus' sayin'.
Garrus <3
PPS:
It is so hard to get the zenophile ending!!!!
I'm gonna try, sometime like... after Memorial day, for the all the humans are dead ending so I can ride off into the sunset with all my alien bizzes.
/sage nod
I wonder, could you have a loyal escort be sent back that would be the only one to survive and still live as Shepard?  Or does it HAVE to be 2 other squaddies make it and they both have to be from the final scene?

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"He has your eyes Garrus" :sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:

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silentstephi wrote...
I have a hard time understanding the yaoi vibe a lot of women (apparently) dig.
So I couldn't tell you one way or another.


I don't understand it either, but most of my female frieands are yaoi fans. At times, I feel like the odd duckling out, but I don't really miss being in their fandom. Some of the fans I've met are just... weird. And they pair up any hot guy together just for the thrill of it (I bet there is someone out there that would do a Garrus/Thane mash-up eventually :sick:)

silentstephi wrote...
Garrus/M!Shep, to me, radiates the bro factor. But, there could be something about gay relationships and how they start that I'm missing. I have a few gay friends IRL. Surprise surprise, not every gay guy fits into the sterotype that is out there. Some of them, gay-dar does not go off, he's a guy. (Some are overboard, but this is what you get when you live in Rhode Island XD). Either way, it's hard to gauge.


I would have to agree. A good proportion of the guys in my degree are gay/bi. And 7/10 of the times, you wouldn't think they are, even when some of them come out of the closet, you can be shocked. But I think most people find it weird if Garrus was bi since he did not shake the 'gay-dar' vibe. But most popular culture would portray the gay people to be wild and feminine looking, because it's the typical cliche. And Garrus doesn't suit that portrayal.

silentstephi wrote...
Although, to make a Dragon Age comparison, I think Zev's overtly bisexual vibe and Leliana's subtly one kind of turned me off to them. Leliana not so much, but Zev, definitely. Although, that could have been more his personality (and the fact I was already hopelessly smitten for Al.)


I haven't played DA:O yet (it's sold-out where it is sold cheap, while still in stock for the full-price), but my friend I had this conversation with had played DA and she didn't like Zevran/Male Warden relationship. She found that Zevran got on her nerves all the time. But she does dig Alistair and she'd preferred if Alistair was a Male Warden choice as well. <_<

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Do I want him to swing both ways in ME3? Noooooo. I'd rather have BW focus on the relationships the way they are now, instead of changing them in the last part of the trilogy. They might make new LI's for the same sex crowd, but there are already so many LI's. Expanding current LI's as they are > creating new LI's, imo. But that's easy for me to say, because I already found my dream guy :P.


I don't think they would bring Garrus in an option for both in all this ME trilogy. It would ruin the flow of the actual series. But it is just wild speculation. :P

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That he was surprised that Jack is not that popular and that she is very coimplex and intrrsting, then says miri was simple, and hints that she was made just for sex. I am a die hard Miri fan, and alot of us miri fans are not happy right now.

It's good to see he said something nice about Garrus tho :wizard:


Yay for Garrus! :D

I guess Casey kind of wanted to make every fan fall in love with the cliche character named Jack. I could go on a rant here, but I'm just going to say simply that Jack doesn't have any character development unless you romance her, which was her downfall. Miranda was acceptable enough that she warmed up a bit for both genders.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

"He has your eyes Garrus" :sick::sick::sick::sick::sick:



Ah! I see that we've reached the topic of mutant babies yet again!

It is time to bring one of our old favorite pictures back from the fiery depths of Hell itself!

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kraidy1117 wrote...

That he was surprised that Jack is not that popular and that she is very coimplex and intrrsting, then says miri was simple, and hints that she was made just for sex. I am a die hard Miri fan, and alot of us miri fans are not happy right now.


Ok, yeah, I can see why. The way they designed her romance scene really doesn't help with that either >< My commiserations to the Miri fans, it can't be pleasant to hear. Posted Image

Then again, the fact that he was surprised that fans loved Garrus' scene despite there being no sex shown (he says "it wasn't even a real love scene") kinda makes me wonder...Do they really believe that people only want to see sex? I'm guessing yes, since they decided to cater to a younger demographic with ME2 (according to their own words). But still...if they included the Garrus romance, they must've known there would've been demand for it (heck, they included it because of the demand, didn't they?). So...why are they surprised...? Could it be because they considered it as pure fan-service and thought they half-assed it? Not something I'd like to believe, but if that's not the case, I'm still puzzled.

As for Jack, well...they kinda went overboard with her appearance and demeanour, which I'm guessing is where the turnoff comes from for a lot of people. She's got a beautiful face (lovely eyes and scrumptious lips), but the shaved head and the "total tattoo" look aren't exactly your usual attractiveness criteria. Plus, while I do appreciate the depth of her character, the cussing and brutality don't do it for me. I'd also say that it's a little early for her to be having a functional romance. She needs more time to heal, and I would've found it more gratifying/realistic if you could be a real friend to her before being a lover. But maybe that's just me.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

That he was surprised that Jack is not that popular and that she is very coimplex and intrrsting, then says miri was simple, and hints that she was made just for sex. I am a die hard Miri fan, and alot of us miri fans are not happy right now.


Ok, yeah, I can see why. The way they designed her romance scene really doesn't help with that either >< My commiserations to the Miri fans, it's can't be pleasant to hear. Posted Image


It's not, may of us dia hard fans got alot out of her romance instead of dat ass and I agree with Garrus. I loved his romance scene because it was so touching, th head bump was very well donw nad touched my heart.

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

As for Jack, well...they kinda went overboard with her appearance and demeanour, which I'm guessing is where the turnoff comes from for a lot of people. She's got a beautiful face (lovely eyes and scrumptious lips), but the shaved head and the "total tattoo" look aren't exactly your usual attractiveness criteria. Plus, while I do appreciate the depth of her character, the cussing and brutality don't do it for me. I'd also say that it's a little early for her to be having a functional romance. She needs more time to heal, and I would've found it more gratifying/realistic if you could be a real friend to her before being a lover. But maybe that's just me.


I actually liked Jack's look, just that her nipple belt just killed it for me. The tattoos idea was great (her earlier conceptual art are brilliant), but letting her hang out her puppies didn't bring its appeal.

And I suppose the reason why Casey did say that Miranda's romance was simple since she's one of the stereotypical characters in any heroes tale. She's beautiful and can do anything, yet no one wants to get near her or get to know her for what she was on the inside. If they had minused the ass, I would be a fan of Miri too!

Xsause wrote...

Ah! I see that we've reached the topic of mutant babies yet again!

It is time to bring one of our old favorite pictures back from the fiery depths of Hell itself!

Posted Image


Oh god. Why are people so fascinated morbidly about mutant badies? :sick:

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It's interesting how many Garrus fans also like Alistair. xD I don't really care for him. Maybe Garrus is like the midpoint between Alistair and Saren... and I just like characters who range between Garrus and Saren, while most Garrus fans seem to like characters who range between Garrus and Alistair?


I have been wondering that myself!  Although, I have to admit Saren (or Zevron, for that matter) don't quite do it for me.  But I truely think that Bioware hit the nail with Garrus and Alistair.

Really, being awkward around the lady of their choice isn't really a lot to have in common.  They do also tend to be the lead men (at least I found myself taking Garrus and Alistair on most missions), so maybe familiarity breeds affection.  But that's all they have in common (at least what I can think of at the moment).  Their senses of humor are different -- both are funny, but Alistair is mostly self-mockery and Garrus is sardonic.

Any other thoughts on this?  I feel like I'm missing something.

Also, I have an image of Garrus defending Urz.  "He's not mangy!"

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Alistair, Leliana and Wynn where nearly always in my party, loved those characters.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

That he was surprised that Jack is not that popular and that she is very coimplex and intrrsting, then says miri was simple, and hints that she was made just for sex. I am a die hard Miri fan, and alot of us miri fans are not happy right now.


I don't think that's fair. /frowns
I can see she's more complex than just some sex symbol or something.  That whole thing with her sister, for instance.  She's not simple or shallow.  Maybe they originally conceived her to be a sex symbol or whatever, but to say she has no depth beyond that is ridiculous, IMHO.
(And why would a developer point out that he came up with a "simple" character?  Seems disingenuous to me!) 0_O

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Then again, the fact that he was surprised that fans loved Garrus' scene
despite there being no sex shown (he says "it wasn't even a real love
scene") kinda makes me wonder


This has stuck in my craw ever since I read it.  "Wasn't even a real love scene"?  I mean, WTF is that malarkey?? /snort
It was a very touching love scene, indeed.  That was a kiss.  Geez people. :pinched:

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Nilfalasiel wrote...
Then again, the fact that he was surprised that fans loved Garrus' scene despite there being no sex shown (he says "it wasn't even a real love scene") kinda makes me wonder...Do they really believe that people only want to see sex? I'm guessing yes, since they decided to cater to a younger demographic with ME2 (according to their own words). But still...if they included the Garrus romance, they must've known there would've been demand for it (heck, they included it because of the demand, didn't they?). So...why are they surprised...? Could it be because they considered it as pure fan-service and thought they half-assed it? Not something I'd like to believe, but if that's not the case, I'm still puzzled.


I concur.  The only thing I can think is that maybe they only thought a few people would do it.  And instead, it was more than expected.

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I don't think Alistair and Garrus are all that similar. I think that they use humor is the closest thing they have to each other, other than that...not much. Doesn't mean Garrus fans can't like Alistair, otherwise I wouldn't exist.

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kglaser wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

That he was surprised that Jack is not that popular and that she is very coimplex and intrrsting, then says miri was simple, and hints that she was made just for sex. I am a die hard Miri fan, and alot of us miri fans are not happy right now.


I don't think that's fair. /frowns
I can see she's more complex than just some sex symbol or something.  That whole thing with her sister, for instance.  She's not simple or shallow.  Maybe they originally conceived her to be a sex symbol or whatever, but to say she has no depth beyond that is ridiculous, IMHO.
(And why would a developer point out that he came up with a "simple" character?  Seems disingenuous to me!) 0_O

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Then again, the fact that he was surprised that fans loved Garrus' scene
despite there being no sex shown (he says "it wasn't even a real love
scene") kinda makes me wonder


This has stuck in my craw ever since I read it.  "Wasn't even a real love scene"?  I mean, WTF is that malarkey?? /snort
It was a very touching love scene, indeed.  That was a kiss.  Geez people. :pinched:


Thank you Kglaser, it's good to see fans understsnd how we are feeling, right now the miri fans and liara fans are getting along very well because Casey pulled this crap with Liara before.

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Jackalope wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Then again, the fact that he was surprised that fans loved Garrus' scene despite there being no sex shown (he says "it wasn't even a real love scene") kinda makes me wonder...Do they really believe that people only want to see sex? I'm guessing yes, since they decided to cater to a younger demographic with ME2 (according to their own words). But still...if they included the Garrus romance, they must've known there would've been demand for it (heck, they included it because of the demand, didn't they?). So...why are they surprised...? Could it be because they considered it as pure fan-service and thought they half-assed it? Not something I'd like to believe, but if that's not the case, I'm still puzzled.


I concur.  The only thing I can think is that maybe they only thought a few people would do it.  And instead, it was more than expected.


Well, if that was "half-assing" the love scene, then I have to give a shout out to the talent of BioWare.  Because I just loved that scene, I thought it was just about perfect.  If that was "half-assed" then a whole ass woulda killed me. LOL

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Jackalope wrote...

I have been wondering that myself!  Although, I have to admit Saren (or Zevron, for that matter) don't quite do it for me.  But I truely think that Bioware hit the nail with Garrus and Alistair.

Really, being awkward around the lady of their choice isn't really a lot to have in common.  They do also tend to be the lead men (at least I found myself taking Garrus and Alistair on most missions), so maybe familiarity breeds affection.  But that's all they have in common (at least what I can think of at the moment).  Their senses of humor are different -- both are funny, but Alistair is mostly self-mockery and Garrus is sardonic.

Any other thoughts on this?  I feel like I'm missing something.


Well, from a different perspective, what I find interesting about both the Garrus and the Zevran romance is that there's an element of developing feelings unexpectedly/against your will. I like that. There doesn't seem to be that element with the Alistair romance (from what I know about it, at least). That being said, he does probably have more in common with Garrus than Zev does: sarcasm, confidence issues and awkwardness.

@ kglaser: Lol...death by ass?

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Thank you Kglaser, it's good to see fans understsnd how we are feeling, right now the miri fans and liara fans are getting along very well because Casey pulled this crap with Liara before.


I don't think BW makes junky characters.  That's one of their strengths, in my opinion (and from what I've seen, in the opinions of quite a few others).  Their characters have depth and make you feel strong emotions a lot of the time.  Miranda and Liara are no exception (for example, although I'm not a big fan of Liara, I can certainly see why others would be--she's not "an inch deep and a mile wide", as the saying goes--there's a lot going on in her head).

Why would BW do this?  I'm really puzzled...it's almost like they're trying to bias their fans against a particular character or something.  It makes no sense either logically or from a business standpoint. :blink:

eta: @ Nilfalasiel:  ASSassination!! :P  Um, sorry.

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I'm actually irritated because I'll probably have to trash my entire hardcore Thane romance game. I did everything the same and was unable to paragon out of Miri's and Jack's fight, unlike every other game I've played.. I took Jack's side, because I know Miri's hard to kill in the SM and Jack's squishy. But it won't let me talk to Miranda again and regain her loyalty. I really don't want to find out if a non-loyal Miranda will stay with you in ME3. I'd prefer her to stay loyal.

Garrus was going to be the team leader anyway, I just don't want to lose Miranda.

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Alistair's romance doesn't have much in the way of feelings against his will - for most of the game. Mid-way, I guess the closest thing is that you have to have very high approval to sleep with him. And at the end, his feelings conflict with his duty...

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Sialater wrote...

I'm actually irritated because I'll probably have to trash my entire hardcore Thane romance game. I did everything the same and was unable to paragon out of Miri's and Jack's fight, unlike every other game I've played.. I took Jack's side, because I know Miri's hard to kill in the SM and Jack's squishy. But it won't let me talk to Miranda again and regain her loyalty. I really don't want to find out if a non-loyal Miranda will stay with you in ME3. I'd prefer her to stay loyal.

It's because of the broken paragon and renegade system. I am annoyed at Bioware because they are restricting roleplaying, and roleplaying was the only reason I played Mass Effect in the first place...

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Collider wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I'm actually irritated because I'll probably have to trash my entire hardcore Thane romance game. I did everything the same and was unable to paragon out of Miri's and Jack's fight, unlike every other game I've played.. I took Jack's side, because I know Miri's hard to kill in the SM and Jack's squishy. But it won't let me talk to Miranda again and regain her loyalty. I really don't want to find out if a non-loyal Miranda will stay with you in ME3. I'd prefer her to stay loyal.

It's because of the broken paragon and renegade system. I am annoyed at Bioware because they are restricting roleplaying, and roleplaying was the only reason I played Mass Effect in the first place...


I know why, it's just dumb.  It should work the same every time you play.

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Fortunately, we seem to be very imaginative and creative people and we insert RPG elements and thought processes where they may not actually be programmed into the game. :)

Not that that fixes the broken system of which you speak...

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I never had trouble with the new Paragon and Renegade system, I prefer it in fact.

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Collider wrote...

Alistair's romance doesn't have much in the way of feelings against his will - for most of the game. Mid-way, I guess the closest thing is that you have to have very high approval to sleep with him. And at the end, his feelings conflict with his duty...


Yeah, that's more about dealing adequately with feelings once they're there, rather than having to struggle against developing them.

@ Sialater: X_X That sucks. Do you, by any chance, have access to Tuchanka, so you can buy the Death Mask?

The problem sounds a bit weird though: I played around with choices a little bit between my 2 playthroughs, and I still had no problem meeting the Paragon requirements for either of the 2 fights. Or any other Charm option, for that matter...So if you're doing everything the same way, why would it not let you? Is this an imported character you're playing?

And yes, they definitely got the morality system wrong in ME2. The percentage system is just even MORE of an incentive for sticking with one side. What happened to shades of grey? Paragon Garrus might not know what to do with grey, but we do!

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Somewhat OT, sorry, but that Paragon/Renegade talk reminded me: The other night I played through the part of ME1 where you have to talk to that admiral outside the Normandy and for the first time I actually got to use the blue and red options to get almost all the way to the end of the conversation without making him upset. He ended up saying something like his report wouldn't be as negative as he'd planned, but I still failed the final check. I don't even know what those blue and red options said. Is it even possible to make him happy with his report? LOL



Sorry...um, Garrus. ;)