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[Collider]

I think the Citadel had a bad policy on activating relays. Shoot first and don't ask questions later is not a good idea. For one thing wouldn't they see the human ships and know that they've never seen those kind of ships before? That itself should have tipped the Citadel off that maybe this was a new race that didn't know about Citadel law. There was a misunderstanding on both sides but I think that Citadel should have acted more wisely and ended the war sooner, like Blazen said.

[silentstephi]

But why is it so important that it be in constant motion? I like it more when there's discussion, and that sometimes takes time.

Though XSauce, you're killing me here.

/gigglesnort



Kim, I don't think I could keep that many different Shep's running around in my brain pan. I'm of the same boat that my Shepard models mostly after my own personality (as if the Steph Shepard didn't give THAT away hurrrrrrrr) but more in the basis of "Hrm, if I were a space marine bad ass, could I get away with doing/saying this? I can? WEWT!"

I've tried... four times now to play a M!Shep... I've been spoiled with the Fem. And the fact that the 100 question thing that was over at NSAS had me really develop the character... makes it hard for me to play outside that character. Though... in my cannon, Steph got to bone Kaiden... but really, she just wanted the sex. Her heart belongs to that damn turian in the main battery. /sagenod

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Collider wrote...

I think the Citadel had a bad policy on activating relays. Shoot first and don't ask questions later is not a good idea. For one thing wouldn't they see the human ships and know that they've never seen those kind of ships before? That itself should have tipped the Citadel off that maybe this was a new race that didn't know about Citadel law. There was a misunderstanding on both sides but I think that Citadel should have acted more wisely and ended the war sooner, like Blazen said.

Don't know if you read this, but i remember either reading this or hearing it in mass effect.

A turian said "It was all a misunderstanding, it was like taking a gun away from a child"

A human said "When you take a gun away from a child, your not supposed to shoot him!"

[Xsause]

I'm glad the raloi got a warm welcome. I hope that we'll see one of them in ME3.

Modifié par Xsause, 23 mai 2010 - 09:36 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Xsause wrote...

I'm glad that the raloi got a warm welcome. I hope that we'll see one of them in ME3.

I'm glad the council said "We Fd up" and changed their policy toward new races. Another "Relay incident" with both humans and turians would probably cause a genocide and an all out war, something that would be really bad considering that thats what the reapers want to do themselves.

[Andaius20]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think the Citadel had a bad policy on activating relays. Shoot first and don't ask questions later is not a good idea. For one thing wouldn't they see the human ships and know that they've never seen those kind of ships before? That itself should have tipped the Citadel off that maybe this was a new race that didn't know about Citadel law. There was a misunderstanding on both sides but I think that Citadel should have acted more wisely and ended the war sooner, like Blazen said.

Don't know if you read this, but i remember either reading this or hearing it in mass effect.

A turian said "It was all a misunderstanding, it was like taking a gun away from a child"

A human said "When you take a gun away from a child, your not supposed to shoot him!"

I kinda think that it depends on the race making first contact. They really aren't that "orginazed" I think. The first contacts with the Asari have gone peacefully however it's whe nthe Turians, being more warlike met the equally warlike humans that the conflict started.

[silentstephi]

First Contact War thoughts: Turians are a warlike people. They shot first, asked questions later. Considering their use in the past (krogans), I can see why they'd shoot first.

But they got a surprise when it ended up being humans. We're also a warlike people. At least, not so much as we encourage it, but we're no stranger to it. Hell, sometimes even thrive in it. I do think it interesting that the Council took so long in calming things down... but then again, maybe they were hoping for a quick resolution. The fact that the turians COULDN'T wipe humans out quickly is probably what gave them pause... but also makes me wonder... were the two other council members different then? The Asari lives a long time, but what about the Salarian councilor, or the turian? Were they the same that we see in the game? Maybe those personalities had something to do with the delay.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

The truth is, turians shot first. They didn't even try to communicate nor negotiate with us, their intent was clear. Destroy the humans, because thats what the citadel code told them to do.

[silentstephi]

Ok. And? The turians did shoot first. Is there something out there saying otherwise? Oo

[kglaser]

RPGmom28 wrote...

And then there's Garrus. Always liked him, but when it came to he and femShep flirting in ME2, something fell into place and I got warm, fuzzy feelings about how the two of them probably belonged together and how two people in their position would have a high likelihood of falling in love. And that voice just makes my toes curl. It's like being rocked in a cradle of velvet. There's also a quirky thing about the way he moves- a tilt and shake of the head, a sidelong glance or very Garrus-like expression that is all him. THIS, my brothers and sisters, is what makes it seem impossible to be 'faithful to Kaidan'. Don't get me wrong. I like Kaidan a lot. He's a very handsome dude. But when I see Garrus, it's like running into your old flame at Wal-mart. You're in biiiig trouble.

I like this.

[enormousmoonboots]

Sialater wrote...

'Boots says: I liked Wrex and Canderous way better because they were more mellow; I never had to put a gun to their head to make them follow orders.

You do have to put a gun to Wrex's head. On Virmire.

Not really. Strictly speaking, you have to put away the gun to be able to reason with him. He doesn't back down to save his life like Zaeed. If you don't put away the gun, he attacks. I know I saw at least one person ****ing that he couldn't talk Wrex down without putting away his gun, because he is ALPHA MALE etc and would never put away his gun.

I always find the turian/human conflict really funny, because they're pretty much the same at the core when it comes to fighting. Total war? Jumping the gun? Considering themselves the cops of the planet/galaxy (well, this is more specifically America :V)?

[Kim Shepard]

Collider wrote...

Your Shepards sound really interesting Kim. Most Shepards don't seem to like Saren much. Roleplaying with Shepard can be fun, because sometimes Shepard can be dull without roleplaying.

Thanks. I like to play Shepards with different personalities and opinions. Unfortunately, the new Paragon/Renegade system can make that difficult.

I have one Shepard who really likes Saren (MainShep). Some of the Renegades/Renegons respect his reputation and his methods, and there's even an option for them to say it. Some of the Paragons/Paragades just feel bad for him. The MaleShep I'm playing now has no sympathy for anyone who tries to kill him.

@silentstephi: Wow, 100 questions about your Shepard? That sounds interesting. There's probably a lot of good things to think about in there.

Also, my MainShep's thoughts on the First Contact War - she's a little angry (okay, that's an understatement) that humanity made Saren hate her species. xD Shepard was what, two years old when it happened? They ruined her chances before she even knew what a turian was.

[Xsause]

Wiki says:

After discovering the Charon Relay, humans began a rapid expansion thanks to their new-found connection to the mass relay network. Hoping to expand their territory and driven by immense curiosity about the galaxy, they began
activating every mass relay they could find.

However, in 2157, their actions caught the notice of the turians, who found human explorers reactivating an inactive mass relay known as Relay 314. This was forbidden under the Citadel regulations after the Rachni Wars, but instead of negotiating, the turians opened fire. One starship escaped to warn the Alliance; a retaliatory force destroyed turian vessels, and the situation quickly escalated into war.

To the turians, it was merely a police action against an ignorant species violating Council law; to humanity, it was their first encounter with another intelligent race- and it would shape their views of the
galaxy for decades to follow.

Modifié par Xsause, 23 mai 2010 - 09:51 .

[Cerrydd]

Xsause wrote...

Whoa, Cerrydd's in a love triangle with Garrus AND the Presidium Groundskeeper?

This look interesting...

The turians were wrong for shooting before negotiating, but like stephi said, turians are a very warlike people. The humans had no idea of rules and regulations on the Citadel and never heard of the Rachni war and all that stuff, so they had no idea why activating the relays could cause trouble. Turians shoot, humans shoot back... because we're pretty much the same.

But if this is the first time humans got into contact with other alien races, how did they communicate with each other in the end? They never heard of each other, so I wonder how they solved the language problem.

[kglaser]

Xsause wrote...

Why not?  It's just as plausible as vampires that sparkle like Solid Gold dancers.

[Andaius20]

lol, you garrus folks are a funny bunch.

[kglaser]

Andaius20 wrote...

hey folks how's it going? Talis been training, is she a rival if Garrus yet?

Whoa!  That gun looks so big with her small build.  But clearly she is not having any trouble with it!

[Pacifien]

Not sure if the turians and humans are totally the same in their philosophy toward war. Would humans sit in orbit and take out an entire city block to eliminate a small band of turian soldiers maneuvering in civilian territory? Would they have completely destroyed a series of scout ships they caught opening up a mass relay given Council law about mass relays? Possibly, but I doubt it.

Part of me likes to think that, in the turian mindset, all turians are soldiers. This isn't the case for humans. I'd like to think that, but while all turians are required to serve the state in some capacity starting at age 15, they don't necessarily have to serve the military. So perhaps it's more accurate to say that a turian would think of all other turians as servants of the state. And again, this isn't the case for humans. Gives a different perspective when it comes to casualties of war.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Well i'm kind of glad that the alliance and the turians are at least trying to build an alliance, despite things being very bitter between the two.

[kraidy1117]

I bring some jokes with me about our fav Turian and my fav human fmeale



Shepard: It's a human-Reaper

Miri: No it's not, it a T-800

Garrus: Whats a T-800?



Shepard: I miss hockey

Miri: I miss kangaroos

Garrus: what is hockey and kangaroos?



Shepard: I miss sex

Miri: we....could have sex...just the two of us in a quiet area of the Normandy

Shepard: but what about....you know...*whispers* Garrus would feel left out.

Miri: Oh he probably doesn't even know what sex is

Garrus: I heard that....And yes I do know what it is...and No I don't want to join you...Typical humans and there lame human jokes.



Garrus: miranda can I ask a question?

Miri: What is it Garrus?

Garrus:Does Shepard have reach and you have flexibility?

Miri:...... excuse me?

Garrus: Well do you?

*Miri slaps Garrus* none of your business Garrus, go calibrate your guns.

*Garrus wimpers away, typical human females*

[silentstephi]

Pac, oh I don't think they ascribe to the exact type of war mindset, the turians seem a bit more ... hard lined to me. And more the whole is more important than the individual. Humans are woefully diverse when it comes to that statement.

But it doesn't surprise me that they did what they did with humans. It makes me wonder though, that because of that, are the asari taking more of a hand in first contacts?

How much did the Council know about humans before they even caught wind of there being other space faring species out there? The salarians claim to be the ones always in the know, I wonder how much they had on humans before the turians.

And it makes you wonder, how many other races out there, that had a similar instance of contact, were wiped out by the turians, either with the councils blessing or with their inaction?

It's called the Turian Empire for a reason... what other races out there, that aren't known to us via the games or literature, have been wiped out? What stage in their cultural development were they?



Sooo many questions. But I think, in small ways, that humans and turians still have that whole same charge repels... er what not.

[Cerrydd]

Wiki says...

Turians are willing to do what needs to be done, and they always follow
through. They are not easily spurred to violence, but when conflict is
inevitable, they only understand a concept of "total war." They do not
believe in skirmishes or small-scale battles; they use massive fleets
and numbers to defeat an adversary so completely that they remove any
threat of having to fight the same opponent more than once. They do not
exterminate their enemy, but so completely devastate their military that
the enemy has no choice but to become a colony of the turians. It is
theorized that another conflict between the rapidly advancing humans and
the turians could annihilate a large portion of known space.

Let's hope that last part never happens. Although I wonder what it would take for the turians and humans to get into a war again.

[kglaser]

LOL kraidy, you so goofy

Garrus not knowing what sex is? More like Shepard not knowing what sex was until she met Garrus.

[Pacifien]

I think the turians really were the first ones to notice the humans. Had it been the asari, they would have made contact as they did with the elcor and the raloi. Not sure what the salarian view on first contact happens to be. Crafty as they are, I'm not going to think they know about everything before everyone else all the time, though.

As for the turian response for other first contact situations, they had Council law dictating their response somewhat with the humans. Had the turians come across Shanxi without the whole relay incident, would have probably been less deadly. Might have gone in spouting "Lesser species! Join our mighty empire and have the friendship of all Council races!"

No, I doubt that. But humorous to think possible.

[Pacifien]

For as deadly as the wiki make turians sound, the batarians still manage to overtake them in the brutal department. Makes me wonder about Balak's comment to Shepard that the Council knew the batarians were weaker than the humans, which is why the Council took humanity's side. So they're not strong enough to take on the turians or the humans directly, but they can still manage glass earth tactics. Batarians make for good terrorists in that regard.