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[MsKlaussen]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Hehe - just factoring things down to what counts

I had no idea they had tongues. I thought I checked that twice when I realized Garrus could be romanced. All I saw were really sharp jagged teeth, which would be like getting lovin from Jaws 

I don't think that would be a smart way to "get loving" from Garrus in the first place.  Remember, Do Not Ingest.  Same probably goes for him.

"Smart loving"  - if that's not an outright oxymoron it's got to be about as exciting as holding #423 in the DMV waiting area!

Modifié par MsKlaussen, 03 mars 2010 - 10:32 .

[Ms Cherissa]

bushes289 wrote...

About the Garrus is a bit of a racist thing, I never got that at all. He's highly critical and tends to stereotype yes.
((SNIPPED))

Just look at the way he treats Shepard in the first game. If he was a racist he would have dismissed everything you told him, (there's no reasoning with racists, they tend to be set in their views) instead he takes whatever Shepard tells him incredibly seriously, he gives Shepard, a human he hardly knows more power over him than his own father..

On a side note, why is it that whenever GarrusxShep smut fics are written Shepard is almost always submissive, for lack of a better word. 

Using stereotypes based on ethnicity/species is racist, no matter how well moderated or based on personal experience it may be. "Asian people are smart" is a positive stereotype, but it's still racist. "Native Americans have drinking problems" may be based on our genetic tendency to handle booze badly and drink too much, but it's still a racist statement.  Due to a condition called ocular albinism, I am a person of mixed ancestry who looks white. (Red hair, green eyes, and skin so white it's #GGGGGG-fer realz. ) My brother, however, looks like the spirit and image of the Great Noble Savage. People meet us and assume we're a couple, not siblings, due to the difference in coloration. (Our features, however, are undeniably similar. If you do black and white pics of us, you KNOW at a glance we're related.) These are good, smart, and incredibly non-discriminatory people who make this mistake. It happens, real people just can't help it. Our brains like to compartmentalize stuff so we can analyze it and react to it better.

EDIT: I tried to color the below text so it wasn't in everyone's face, but it didn't turn out. I apologize.

As far as FemShep being portrayed as submissive in fics - and please excuse my dirty, clinical description here - a lot of people think that being penetrated is the same as being submissive, and thus females are usually presented as 'submissive'. One of the best litePr0n sex descriptions I've read for a woman who was definitely not meek in bed was in Clive Barker's "Imajica", where the main character, Gentle, narrates how there's nothing passive about his ex-lover and OTP Judith. It's a single, brief sentence, totally clean, and if I can find my copy of the book I'll post it to you. You'd probably like it. So I tend to read such fics and in fact any sex scene with this in mind that just because one is being penetrated does not mean one is being taken. In the fic that was posted, it seemed clear to me that FemShep took Garrus, though he was physically more active. He was not in control of his actions; she was in control of his actions

Anyway. Who makes props here? Need help with some ME guns.

Modifié par Ms Cherissa, 03 mars 2010 - 10:53 .

[Ms Cherissa]

aznsoisauce wrote...
@Kim - I'm pretty sure a disloyal Miranda will survive so long as you don't pick her for ANYTHING. But do have someone like Grunt or Garrus Hold The Line while you fight the Human Reaper (affectionately known as Pants).

...on my WoW server (Silver Hand US), there is a player known as Pants or Pantz. I adore him, but my first act after transferring from an RP server that was getting uppity was to ROFLSTOMP Pants repeatedly. And someone says "Welcome to Silver Hand, I see Pants has given you your free max Honor Kills for the day".  So I see "Pants" as being quite fitting. I know Shep ROFLSTOMPs the human Reaper enough to count for maxxing out HKs for the mission. 

[siltsonata]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Using stereotypes based on ethnicity/species is racist, no matter how well moderated or based on personal experience it may be. "Asian people are smart" is a positive stereotype, but it's still racist. "Native Americans have drinking problems" may be based on our genetic tendency to handle booze badly and drink too much, but it's still a racist statement.  Due to a condition called ocular albinism, I am a person of mixed ancestry who looks white. (Red hair, green eyes, and skin so white it's #GGGGGG-fer realz. ) My brother, however, looks like the spirit and image of the Great Noble Savage. People meet us and assume we're a couple, not siblings, due to the difference in coloration. (Our features, however, are undeniably similar. If you do black and white pics of us, you KNOW at a glance we're related.) These are good, smart, and incredibly non-discriminatory people who make this mistake. It happens, real people just can't help it. Our brains like to compartmentalize stuff so we can analyze it and react to it better.

Avenue Q, everybody.  Everyone's a little bit racist.  Hmm, that'll be stuck in my head for the rest of the day now...

(not to diminish the importance of what you just said. That was fascinating.)

[Ms Cherissa]

siltsonata wrote...Avenue Q, everybody.  Everyone's a little bit racist.  Hmm, that'll be stuck in my head for the rest of the day now...

(not to diminish the importance of what you just said. That was fascinating.)

"...but... you performed Gilbert & Sullivan?" 

*Grin*

*awkward throat-clearing cough*

[bushes289]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Using stereotypes based on ethnicity/species is racist, no matter how well moderated or based on personal experience it may be. "Asian people are smart" is a positive stereotype, but it's still racist. "Native Americans have drinking problems" may be based on our genetic tendency to handle booze badly and drink too much, but it's still a racist statement.  Due to a condition called ocular albinism, I am a person of mixed ancestry who looks white. (Red hair, green eyes, and skin so white it's #GGGGGG-fer realz. ) My brother, however, looks like the spirit and image of the Great Noble Savage. People meet us and assume we're a couple, not siblings, due to the difference in coloration. (Our features, however, are undeniably similar. If you do black and white pics of us, you KNOW at a glance we're related.) These are good, smart, and incredibly non-discriminatory people who make this mistake. It happens, real people just can't help it. Our brains like to compartmentalize stuff so we can analyze it and react to it better.

EDIT: I tried to color the below text so it wasn't in everyone's face, but it didn't turn out. I apologize.

As far as FemShep being portrayed as submissive in fics - and please excuse my dirty, clinical description here - a lot of people think that being penetrated is the same as being submissive, and thus females are usually presented as 'submissive'. One of the best litePr0n sex descriptions I've read for a woman who was definitely not meek in bed was in Clive Barker's "Imajica", where the main character, Gentle, narrates how there's nothing passive about his ex-lover and OTP Judith. It's a single, brief sentence, totally clean, and if I can find my copy of the book I'll post it to you. You'd probably like it. So I tend to read such fics and in fact any sex scene with this in mind that just because one is being penetrated does not mean one is being taken. In the fic that was posted, it seemed clear to me that FemShep took Garrus, though he was physically more active. He was not in control of his actions; she was in control of his actions

Anyway. Who makes props here? Need help with some ME guns.

The fic that was linked here wasn't reason for my complaint about Garrusxfemshep fics. I read that fic and I didn't have a problem with it. The real reason I even said what was on my mind was a post from a few days ago, you could call it the straw that broke the camels back. That person stated that Garrus would definelty wear the pants in their relationship. The reason it took me so long to post my opinion was because I was infuriated, I knew that if posted what I was thinking then, it would be a very nasty rant. So I decided to wait a few days in order to not seem like one of those immature 13 years olds who yell insults at everyone who offends them. I'm 18 now, I'd like to think that my years of cussing people out on the internet are behind me.
As for the racism thing, I believe that only the extremists deserve to be called racists. The people who refuse to hire black employees are racists. But unconcious stereotyping is as you said human nature, everyone does it. Perhaps we view the definition of racism differently, racism and stereotyping are completely different things in my mind.

[cedardryad]

@ Ms Cherissa( since my phone can't handle quotes) I once heard somewhere that the person on the bottom/getting penetrated is the one in control. They dictate speed and force, even position in many cases.

[Castanea]

Yay for completely changing the subject from Garrus Racism for a moment!

I'm making a music video tribute to GarrusxFemShep (Webgame is awesome), but I can't find a song that I really want to use, suggestions anyone?

Romantic, dramatic, corny, anything.

[Ms Cherissa]

bushes289 wrote...
The fic that was linked here wasn't reason for my complaint about Garrusxfemshep fics. I read that fic and I didn't have a problem with it. The real reason I even said what was on my mind was a post from a few days ago, you could call it the straw that broke the camels back. That person stated that Garrus would definelty wear the pants in their relationship. The reason it took me so long to post my opinion was because I was infuriated, I knew that if posted what I was thinking then, it would be a very nasty rant. So I decided to wait a few days in order to not seem like one of those immature 13 years olds who yell insults at everyone who offends them. I'm 18 now, I'd like to think that my years of cussing people out on the internet are behind me.

As for the racism thing, I believe that only the extremists deserve to be called racists. The people who refuse to hire black employees are racists. But unconcious stereotyping is as you said human nature, everyone does it. Perhaps we view the definition of racism differently, racism and stereotyping are completely different things in my mind.

(But... isn't half the fun of the internetz when someone on the internet is WRONG? I kid, I kid.)

So basically it sounds like we're having a semantics difference, though I will continue to use mine and not yours. I think it is important to acknowledge that the human mind discriminates - by discriminate, I mean it in the purest sense - we try to form judgments based on what we can discern, and act based on those judgments, as a means of simplifying our behavior. It is a pity that some words can mean so many things, but when they are used the most negative meaning leaps to mind, but I don't mind taking a moment to clarify.

Short form: I think racism is racism and extremism is stupid extremism. I do live in that glass house, though.

So is Garrus racist? Yes. Does he get over it? Also yes.

[Castanea]

aynxalot wrote...
Hey, the one FemShepXGarrus vid I really liked had Aimee Man's "Save Me" set to it. It was a neat song that I wouldn't have guessed to have fit so nicely. It's a tough choice, but I would advise to not pick anything too angsty or mushy, to try to hit a middle road. Someone else had a vid to "I want you to want me," and while the lyrics fit the relationship well enough, the actual music felt too "bouncy".

Flyleaf- "There For You"

.........

I'll get back to you after I do some research.

ETA: "Here with me"- Dido
"Uninvited"- Alanis Morrisette
And for a little more "wuviness"- "You and Me"- Lifehouse

I dunno. Just a few random suggestions. Depends on your mood at the time I guess.

I have most of those songs anyway.

[silentstephi]

Castanea wrote...

aynxalot wrote...
Hey, the one FemShepXGarrus vid I really liked had Aimee Man's "Save Me" set to it. It was a neat song that I wouldn't have guessed to have fit so nicely. It's a tough choice, but I would advise to not pick anything too angsty or mushy, to try to hit a middle road. Someone else had a vid to "I want you to want me," and while the lyrics fit the relationship well enough, the actual music felt too "bouncy".

Flyleaf- "There For You"

.........

I'll get back to you after I do some research.

ETA: "Here with me"- Dido
"Uninvited"- Alanis Morrisette
And for a little more "wuviness"- "You and Me"- Lifehouse

I dunno. Just a few random suggestions. Depends on your mood at the time I guess.

I have most of those songs anyway.

I've been having issues figuring a song for my vids too.  Funny story, I wanted to use Imogen Heap's "Loose Ends", but I just can't get it to fit.  Ah well.

Imogen, I must make SOMETHING with her music...sooon.

[enormousmoonboots]

Alignment: An interesting thing about the first game is that everyone has either Paragon or Renegade comments to a major decision (fate of Council, rachni, etc). The comment they give is dependent on the other party member (so you'll always have differing points of view on the situation). So someone who always brought Garrus and Kaidan around would consider Garrus more Renegade than someone who rolled with, say, Garrus and Wrex, where he would definitely be the more Paragon of the two.



Second game has a different system, of course. I believe the squad member on the left is the one that comments all the time (although I can swear I've had Garrus override Miranda, but hey, I'm not complaining), but there are a few points where Garrus isn't totally behind you no matter what you do. Pushing the merc out the window on Thane's recruitment nets you "Harsh, but I guess he had it coming." Letting the merc live gets "Not a lot of people would have let him go. I hope that second chance doesn't come back to bite us." (I forget the exact wording, but it's similar to what he says if Rana Thanoptis is alive)



I just finished his loyalty mission on Insanity; for anyone else putting themselves through that, he and Miranda make an excellent team against Eclipse thugs (so, any mission on Ilium). Double Overload, all day every day.



As for songs, I'll Make a Man out of You is appropriate for every fandom.

LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS

TO DEFEAT

REAPERS



(oh, man, I can see it in my head now. I wish I could make videos...)

[onibontan]

It took me ages to destroy those last two YMIR mechs on NG+ Insanity ...

[enormousmoonboots]

Yeah, they killed me once because I got impatient, but I did a very specific quest beforehand that meant I could get the Cain in time for Garrus's mission. Totally worth it; one hit destroyed one mech whose shields I'd chipped away and took the second down to its health. Only a matter of headshotting it to CRITICAL MASS at that point. The important thing with those mechs, is to be in the right spot; I've found the best place is back up on the highest platform since it gives you best access to their heads and I don't think they can climb up after you. The first YMIR on his mission is such a pain since you're stuck on level ground with it and it can just walk around your cover and minigun you to death.

[Exile Isan]

@aynxalot: "Here with Me" is a good Garrus/FemShep song, so is Dido's "Take My Hand". Bonus track on that same album (No Angel). And for some reason her song "Northern Skies" from Safe Trip Home, reminds me of Garrus and Shep, too.

"Uninvited" always fit more with a female Exile and Sion from K2, IMHO. Still though one of my favorite Alanis Morissette songs.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 04 mars 2010 - 12:58 .

[onibontan]

I stupidly brought the Blackstorm instead of the Cain ... The first mech wasn't that tough if you get into cover as far in the back as you can. Then you can unleash hell on it from the distance and it'll be almost dead when it reaches you.

[cedardryad]

Ever since someone mentioned the betrayal thing, I can't get it out of my head that Garrus was planted there to eventually betray you. It would be so heart breaking. But if midway he decides not to it would make for great make up sex.

[Azint]

Obligatory post to support Garrus.



Garrus is awesome.

[Brass_Buckles]

I was just about to say, this thread needs more Garrus.



If I ever get a new scanner, I will post bad fanart for you guys. Key word bad.

[MarginalBeast]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I just started my first paragade playthrough with a femshep who has Garrus as her romance option. I actually had to go back and replay ME1 to set it up. She's almost exactly like Garrus actually. A good 'ol boy (or girl in this case) space cowboy. Anyway, I normally play uber goodie-two shoes for female characters and save my dudesheps for more renegade stuff, but I am LOVING this playthrough with Garrus. I think I like it better than the pure paragon stuff. There is so much latent stuff that can really be construed as innuendo if you play a paragade shep. Does anyone else think the devs outdid themselves with subtlety in the Garrus romance? I think this is one of its strongest traits. The other romances are dictated to you, but with Garrus there is a huge opportunity for roleplaying. You can construe it as a fling or as true love and about four hundred shades in between, and ALL of those scenarios can make sense given your particular Shepard. The relationship my previous femshep had with Garrus is completely different from the one my renegade shep has even though the romance dialogue is exactly the same. I think that's awesome. The other romances seem set and static and not open to interpretation beside it I think.

Even though I agree with you that Garrus' romance is easily the most subtle and open to interpretation, I do believe that the writers had certain things in mind when developing it. And if the romances continue into ME3, then they'll have to decide to expand on it in a certain way unless they just make the entire thing incredibly ambiguous, which would be ridiculous. We deserve some sort of clear, concise closure in ME3.

So while I honestly can't imagine interpreting the Garrus romance as a fling (I've tried and failed; there's just too much evidence against it IMO), I'm not going to stop anyone else from doing so. But once ME3 rolls around, I don't think it's going to rely on subtext quite as much. And honestly, it wouldn't bother me. I love subtext, but when writers overuse it then it just becomes silly and I can't take it seriously anymore.

[SavageLycan]

Ladies and gentlemen:

YOU'VE BEEN GARRUS ROLL'D

[Castanea]

aynxalot wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

Even though I agree with you that Garrus' romance is easily the most subtle and open to interpretation, I do believe that the writers had certain things in mind when developing it. And if the romances continue into ME3, then they'll have to decide to expand on it in a certain way unless they just make the entire thing incredibly ambiguous, which would be ridiculous. We deserve some sort of clear, concise closure in ME3.

So while I honestly can't imagine interpreting the Garrus romance as a fling (I've tried and failed; there's just too much evidence against it IMO), I'm not going to stop anyone else from doing so. But once ME3 rolls around, I don't think it's going to rely on subtext quite as much. And honestly, it wouldn't bother me. I love subtext, but when writers overuse it then it just becomes silly and I can't take it seriously anymore.

Dittos. Also, I know there are plenty of people on here who seem to think Garrus' role will be severely reduced for ME3. But the way the romance plays out, what the devs have said about taking into account character popularity, and just plain how much character development they've given him, I see a role at least as big as the one in ME2. I'm going out on a serious limb and saying that he'll likely be a recruitable squad member. In an article I read here a bit ago, to paraphrase, they seem to intend to go even farther and give us the most choice possible, and a "ridiculous number of possible endings."

I shamelessly support Garrus for ME3, and just looking at the characters popularity-wise... Tali and Garrus are the most popular.. and to remove them in 3... would probably start a mass riot, the forums would explode, fans would go on a volus killing-spree..
It would be ugly.. Bioware knows better then that.