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[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
If you remember in Kasumi's DLC the Turian sculpture was very basic.

I liked that sculpture.

[Collider]

Pacifien wrote...

Collider wrote...
If you remember in Kasumi's DLC the Turian sculpture was very basic.

I liked that sculpture.

So did I, but it's not exactly Michelangelo.

[silentstephi]

Phew. Thane successfully friend-zoned. Now I just need to finish up some of the side quests, get Legion, and this PT shall be done!

(and i can't believe I'm up to like 5000 screen shots. /hides)

Night folks!

[Pacifien]

My first playthrough, when I didn't care if I happened across a romance path or whatnot, just playing the game naturally without any spoilers... anyway, Thane got friend-zoned even though I was intrigued simply because I was not going to choose "I want you" on the dialogue wheel. Come on, dialogue wheel makers...

[Cerrydd]

"My wife is dead."
"I want you."

[Pacifien]

Cerrydd wrote...
"My wife is dead."
"I want you."

"..."
"Yeah, I'm gonna go... calibrate with Garrus."
"I think that would be for the best, siha."

[Lemonwizard]

At least Shepard doesn't actually say "I want you" out loud. Probably the most egregious case of dialogue wheel/actual line dissonance in the game.

[Minardii]

Yeah, That WAS a funny wheel label. What she says is better, but I did go "Um.." when I got to it. Talk about timing though!

[Andaius20]

got a mega Garrus pic dump for you folks!

[Andaius20]

Various women in this thread: How did you get so handsome!?!



*Various Garrus fanatics storm the building*

[Brass_Buckles]

Hmmm, Brass here with her random thoughts as usual.



I just happened to think, paragon being the more idealistic and by-the-books style, maybe if you make Garrus do the paragon thing the whole way through, then at the end of ME3 the epilogue or whatever will go on to tell you that he goes back to C-Sec, quickly advances through the ranks, and ultimately reforms the system so that it never works better than it does under his direction. Or there's the possibility that he'll have to make the ultimate sacrifice for some reason in ME3. Please don't do that to us, Bioware.



On the other hand, if you renegade Garrus, he'll most likely become a Spectre and possibly go rogue, like Saren, although since you're both probably renegades in that case, you'll go around being badass together until some other up-and-coming Spectre hunts you both down. Or, being renegade could possibly get him killed somehow--or cause him to betray Shepard at a key moment in-game.



A neutral Garrus might return to Omega, or might continue to follow Shepard until he/she ultimately is killed or forced to retire. While something will finally go right for a paragon or renegade Garrus, it never will for a neutral Garrus because he won't really know what he should try.



Of course if you romance Garrus and he's not put off by the fact you were cheating on someone else with him (if you were) and you don't cheat on or dump him in ME3, then no matter what else happens he should definitely try to keep the romance going with Shepard. I won't be surprised if he's less loyal to someone who cheated on Kaidan or Liara, or if he never contacts you again if you dump or cheat on him in ME3.



Just my theory. Thoughts?

[Andaius20]

Modded face and outfit with the "sharper versions" can you folks tell the difference?

[Andaius20]

Hmm, from what we've seen from his progress from ME 1 to ME 2 looks like garrus is hopelessly going down the "regrade" path. no matter what he still quits his job/training to hunt criminals in Omega. Still wants to bypass "law and order to pursue "his justice".





...that he will change from this course.

[Brass_Buckles]

I think that ME2's loyalty mission should have and will have more effect on Garrus than his ME1 mission did. It's more personal, and more likely to hit home. I prefer to save Sidonis because I just know if you let Garrus kill him in cold blood, Garrus is going to lose sleep remembering the times when he was a friend to Sidonis, and wondering why Sidonis betrayed him in the first place. Or worse, if Sidonis explained before being shot, Garrus will beat himself up over it because Sidonis was ultimately a coward, and Garrus should never have recruited him, and certainly never killed him. But that's just my thinking.



But yeah, I think if you are consistent in renegade/paragon with Garrus he'll show it in the ending. He's definitely a more mature character in ME2 than ME1. Still hot-headed, and still has a bit of that old idealism even if you have to dig more to get to it. And it does affect him if you renegade/paragon him in ME1, just not as much as I think ME2 will. If you paragon him he'll try to go back to C-Sec and be a proper turian. Renegade him and he'll try to be a Spectre. Neutral? He'll be offered a post back at C-Sec and reject it. But the difference is, he never outright goes into anything with a plan to be more than he already is. I think by ME3 he'll be ready to do more with whatever he's doing--not just join C-Sec, but aspire to change it someday. Not just train to be a Spectre, but become one--especially if he can be Shepard's partner somehow.



But it'd be equally cool if ME3 somehow required you to get Spectre status for Garrus. Oh come on, you know you agree with me. Considering his actions on Omega and the Citadel, it might be necessary to keep him out of legal trouble at that point.

[Aricle]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Of course if you romance Garrus and he's not put off by the fact you were cheating on someone else with him (if you were) and you don't cheat on or dump him in ME3, then no matter what else happens he should definitely try to keep the romance going with Shepard. I won't be surprised if he's less loyal to someone who cheated on Kaidan or Liara, or if he never contacts you again if you dump or cheat on him in ME3.

Just my theory. Thoughts?

I don't like this theory because my Shepard never planned to leave Kaidan but his treatment of her was shabby. Garrus and she have helped each other all along and never stopped working together. If Garrus were to then see her as less than loyal after all that they have been through together, then he is not the man she has been with all of this time. Kaidan's saying that a leopard doesn't change its spots on Horizon is absurd for he is basically asserting that she has changed to such a degree that she would actually believe Cerberus to be morally sound. Her spots haven't changed and nor have Cerberus'.  She remembers Kahoku.

Andaius20 wrote...

Modded face and outfit with the
"sharper versions" can you folks tell the difference?

I noticed the face right off. Nice!

[Brass_Buckles]

Aricle wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Of course if you romance Garrus and he's not put off by the fact you were cheating on someone else with him (if you were) and you don't cheat on or dump him in ME3, then no matter what else happens he should definitely try to keep the romance going with Shepard. I won't be surprised if he's less loyal to someone who cheated on Kaidan or Liara, or if he never contacts you again if you dump or cheat on him in ME3.

Just my theory. Thoughts?

I don't like this theory because my Shepard never planned to leave Kaidan but his treatment of her was shabby. Garrus and she have helped each other all along and never stopped working together. If Garrus were to then see her as less than loyal after all that they have been through together, then he is not the man she has been with all of this time. Kaidan's saying that a leopard doesn't change its spots on Horizon is absurd for he is basically asserting that she has changed to such a degree that she would actually believe Cerberus to be morally sound. Her spots haven't changed and nor have Cerberus'.  She remembers Kahoku.

My theory wasn't all or even mostly about the romance.  I'm actually more interested in what Garrus will do after ME3 (assuming he survives).  That said, I do think it's possible that if you weren't loyal to your ME1 romance (assuming you did romance someone) it could make you look bad to certain ME2 romances.  Or maybe they'd just be flattered you'd choose them over Kaidan/Ashley/Liara.

Yes, the ME1 romances are pretty cold to you in ME2, but you also have to bear in mind that it's only been a couple of months to Shepard since he/she last saw his/her old flame.  It's not a past relationship.  You start up a new relationship right after that in ME2 and it's possible that this is the rebound guy/girl (but that's hard to say since we don't really know how much time passes up until Horizon, or between then and the time that you can initiate a romance with someone else after their loyalty mission).  We've already been told we'll be rewarded if our characters are loyal to their ME1 romances.  Maybe a Shep who cheated ends up single (that would stink) or dead (even worse).  Personally I think that Bioware could've handled the writing a little better so that it didn't seem so much like a total rejection of trust on the part of the ME1 romantic interest.  I'd also like to see some reward for being loyal to the ME2 romance in ME3 (as in even if you have the chance to go back to the ME1 romance or romance some new ME3 character).  It shouldn't be as big a reward as staying with the ME1 romance, but at the same time you shouldn't be punished for believing Shepard wouldn't want to be loyal to someone who doesn't trust him/her.

And now to get off the topic of romances again and back to the topic I really meant to go into...

So how do you guys think that paragon/renegade will affect Garrus by the end of ME3?

[Collider]

What I suspect (and partly hope):

Paragon Garrus: Less ruthless, reapplies for C-Sec.
Neutral Garrus: Same amount of ruthlessness, may either reapply for Spectrehood or become a vigilante again.
Renegade Garrus: More ruthless, may either reapply for Spectrehood or become a vigilante again.

Of course if you romance him he's not going to leave Shepard.

--
Oh and I don't think they're going to kill Shepard if he/she "cheated"....lol.
I forsee these scenarios for "cheating"

a) You have to choose one LI or the other.
You can only have the ME2 LI.
c) They both leave you (in terms of relationship).

Modifié par Collider, 24 mai 2010 - 08:03 .

[Brass_Buckles]

The only thing about them both leaving you is, surely if you romanced Garrus or Tali, they were aware you were seeing Kaidan/Ashley/Liara.



Then again maybe not. After all it does go against Alliance regs and Shepard seems to try to keep it under wraps. But I don't think the crew is so unobservant that they wouldn't notice. Especially not with the mess hall right beside Kaidan's work station when FemShep goes to flirt with him...

[Cerrydd]

I never saw it as cheating, I see it as moving on. I've been dead for two years, and I know it probably felt like a couple of months to Shepard, but for the rest it depends on how you play your Shepard. My relationship with Liara is over. To me, at least. You don't get the opportunity to break it off, so she can interpret this however she wants. I don't think this will make Garrus less loyal. He was there on the first Normandy when I was romancing Liara, he was there when I first saw her on Illium and he saw the kiss. BW probably didn't think of possible consequences of having your 'future' LI in your party when you meet her, but he should know about this. It's likely we'll get a confrontation in ME3 with both your LI's, but for Garrus, the mission comes first. It depends on what you choose. If you dump him, it might hurt him, but he will never leave because he knows what has to be done. If you choose him, the romance will (hopefully) continue.

I hope the paragoning/renegading thing with Garrus really pays off in ME3, but I don't know what to expect. We don't know what will happen, so I have no clue how this influence will show, except for the epilogue. Renegading Garrus might result in him becoming a Spectre in the end, but he will never go rogue like Saren in a way that he (and maybe Shepard) will be hunted by another Spectre. Spectres are above the law, but you have to do some real mean **** to get in trouble.

Paragoning Garrus might get him back into C-Sec.

I certainly agree that being consistent with paragoning/renegading him could help him decide where his place is in the galaxy. He is a very impulsive and passionate person, so neutral responses won't really guide him. He has learned a lot during ME1 and ME2 (and ME3 I guess), let's see him put this to practice. Well, I hope he learned a lot .

And Garrus betraying Shepard? Not in a million years. He hated Sidonis' guts for doing what he did, he's not going to do the same to the person he respects most. Unless BW pulls some lame trick.

[Collider]

That's true. I think it's one of the possibilities for some (or less likely, all) ME2 love interests. I think the most likely scenario is you having to choose one or the other.

Modifié par Collider, 24 mai 2010 - 08:22 .

[Alexine]

I'm hoping there won't be this big dramatised cat-fight amongst the ME1 and ME2 LIs. I just think there would be a confrontation of sorts and you would have to choose. BW could have your chosen LI from the two be distant and closed of, possibly lack of dialogue or no romance scene before the final scene, whilst your rejected LI can be "not loyal" without any way to charm/intimidate them back (assuming if they keep the loyalty thing. But I doubt it would be like that, since it would take up more resources and it would be a bit too ambitious to attempt.

[Collider]

It's nothing something I need to personally worry about, thankfully. None of the ME1 options interested me. I just hope for those in the thread who elected to have one don't get punished too much.

Modifié par Collider, 24 mai 2010 - 08:30 .

[Collider]

Alexine wrote...

I'm hoping there won't be this big dramatised cat-fight amongst the ME1 and ME2 LIs.

Me too. Seems too juvenile. I can maybe understand Jack getting violent though. That's her character.

[Andaius20]

[Alexine]

I didn't find the LIs from ME1 interesting as well. The LIs, although I like them as characters, were not my cup of tea. The closest one I would called to have enjoyed was Ashley's, but it was just below average. Kaidan's would been better if he had a bit of backbone, while Liara's just too creepy as hell.



I'm up to the Reaper IFF stage. Gotta love Thane/Garrus combo, especially with the reaper core. I use incinerate, Thane throws the husks off the ledge while Garrus snipes the others.