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manonyuf wrote...

Hello again Clan Vakarian!
I just
finished a playthrough romancing Garrus for the first time (I've always
been a bromance kinda girl) and I have to say: Wow. Simply wow. I've no
other words. I can't believe I've never tried his romance before! I
missed out on so much. But better later than never.
I've never seen
a romance so well executed and one with such a great development. I've
played many Bioware games but I could never really get into any of the
romances for some reason. I liked the characters well enough but I
always preferred the friendship paths. 
I think it is great that
FemShep and Garrus have been friends for some time (do we know how
long?) and went through the whole Saren ordeal together, it makes the
whole romance more realistic. It's not the "Hi, I know we've known each
other for only a week, but I'm in love with you!" type of romance,
which I really dislike (I don't mean any particular romance).
And
you guys were so right about his awkwardness being adorable, I just
couldn't stop smiling during Shep's talks with him. And even his
romance scene was great, funny and very touching at the same time.
Until now my favourite romance scene was definitely Jack's but Garrus'
just forestalled hers.
All in all I found that this was the most enjoyable romance I've ever played in a game.
Enough babbling, just wanted to check in and express my new-found appreciation for the most badass turian in
space! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] Might even check in here more often [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]
 PS: I hope what I wrote was understandable, I'm not very good at expressing myself in english (yet), I'm trying though

Welcome aboard. Yes, the Garrus romance is awesome

Oh, and you came through clearly

Modifié par Collider, 27 mai 2010 - 11:40 .

[Alexine]

Glad you liked the romance, manonyuf. I liked it too. :happy:

[janeym27]

Manonyuf! You decided to do it then? So glad you loved it.


My, my. You guys sure know how to put me in a good mood for a bad day.

Brass Buckles: re wall of text (nicely done, btw) post. I agree. Those in the 'fling' camp haven't been paying attention IMO. I've always felt that Garrus fixates on the sex, because the emotional stuff means so much to him it scares him. If it wasn't going to work out for any reason, and they can blame 'biology', then that would be a slightly easier hurt to bear than if it came down to Shepard not feeling the same way. There aren't a lot of people Garrus trusts left in the universe.
 

[Raphael diSanto]

Mornin', yall. Hmm. Is it just me or do Turians seem like the anti-human in the ME-verse? I don't mean anti as in bad, but as in.. the Humans' opposite number? Like.. Sure, we have Asari, and Salarians as the other major players on the galactic stage, but Turians always seemed to me to be the human-analogue.



I think there are more similarities between humans and Turians than either side would like to admit, and that may be the cause of a significant amount of the friction between the two species...

[Alexine]

I think the reason why turians are anti-human is because it is mainly due to the rise of human power in the galaxy. Before the humans even came into the intergalactic community, the turians held a lot of the man-power (Salarians were more intelligence based, asari are more peace-keepers, krogans are subjugated and dwindling in numbers, quarians considered outcasts while all other species considered to be second-hand citizens). But I think when humans are showing an equal or greater man-power than the turians, I think they fear that their place in society would be ruined. The turians have had their power for as long as one thousand years and when something foreign comes, they'll obviously feel repressed.



I don't think it's more that the Relay 314 incident that made turians anti-human, but it did make the humans anti-turian.

[Raphael diSanto]

I think you may have mis-read my post.

I didn't say they were anti-human, I said they were the anti-human. There's a difference. I meant that, on the galactic stage, Turians are thehumans' opposite number.

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 27 mai 2010 - 12:58 .

[Collider]

In other words, you are saying that there are many parallels between humans and Turians. They have a relatively similar life span, they are militaristic, and are more prone to action than the Asari but not as short lived and deceptive as the Salarians.

Modifié par Collider, 27 mai 2010 - 01:00 .

[Raphael diSanto]

Right. They're also fairly liberal and their society is gender-equal.

[Cerrydd]

manonyuf wrote...

Hello again Clan Vakarian!
I just finished a playthrough romancing Garrus for the first time (I've always been a bromance kinda girl) and I have to say: Wow. Simply wow. I've no other words. I can't believe I've never tried his romance before! I missed out on so much. But better later than never.
I've never seen a romance so well executed and one with such a great development. I've played many Bioware games but I could never really get into any of the romances for some reason. I liked the characters well enough but I always preferred the friendship paths. 
I think it is great that FemShep and Garrus have been friends for some time (do we know how long?) and went through the whole Saren ordeal together, it makes the whole romance more realistic. It's not the "Hi, I know we've known each other for only a week, but I'm in love with you!" type of romance, which I really dislike (I don't mean any particular romance).
And you guys were so right about his awkwardness being adorable, I just couldn't stop smiling during Shep's talks with him. And even his romance scene was great, funny and very touching at the same time. Until now my favourite romance scene was definitely Jack's but Garrus' just forestalled hers.
All in all I found that this was the most enjoyable romance I've ever played in a game.
Enough babbling, just wanted to check in and express my new-found appreciation for the most badass turian in
space!  Might even check in here more often 
 PS: I hope what I wrote was understandable, I'm not very good at expressing myself in english (yet), I'm trying though

Eeeeee I am so happy to hear you enjoyed it! Jack's romance is my favourite for maleShep, but Garrus is awesome. Garrus is a great bro, but taking that friendship to a higher level just doesn't disappoint. I am really happy that you liked it this much, because I was a little worried we raised the bar too much with praising his romance

@ Raphael: yep, as Alexine said, it's about the rise of the human power. Humans are newcomers and not everyone is happy about how fast they're getting more and more influence. And there's the First Contact War of course, not really the best way to introduce yourself to a new species.

But they're not that different from humans.

[Alexine]

Whoops, must been reading too quickly. Sorry, guess I got confused with the anti-human bit.



Just thinking about it for a bit, the turian and human fighting each other seemed to greatly remind me of the Greeks during the classical period. Although they share similarities, like the Greeks with social, political and cultural aspects, they are always quite bitter to each other and somehow always find a way to step on one's toes or tried to take advantage of each other. And what I found is that both humans and turians seemed to find stupid excuses to further alienate each other more, even if you go completely paragon and saved the council.

[Raphael diSanto]

Maybe I should have said they were the counter-human. *grin, sigh*

[Raphael diSanto]

Alexine wrote...

Whoops, must been reading too quickly. Sorry, guess I got confused with the anti-human bit.

Just thinking about it for a bit, the turian and human fighting each other seemed to greatly remind me of the Greeks during the classical period. Although they share similarities, like the Greeks with social, political and cultural aspects, they are always quite bitter to each other and somehow always find a way to step on one's toes or tried to take advantage of each other. And what I found is that both humans and turians seemed to find stupid excuses to further alienate each other more, even if you go completely paragon and saved the council.

The greek city states? I think you're right. And they do always seem to look for those stupid excuses.. Although I regard that as more evidence of their similarities, haha.

I mean, it's a pretty common argumentative trope, even between people in the 'real' world.

"I know why you hate him."
"Why?"
"Because you're just like him!"
"Am NOT!"

[Collider]

Alexine wrote...

Whoops, must been reading too quickly. Sorry, guess I got confused with the anti-human bit.

Just thinking about it for a bit, the turian and human fighting each other seemed to greatly remind me of the Greeks during the classical period. Although they share similarities, like the Greeks with social, political and cultural aspects, they are always quite bitter to each other and somehow always find a way to step on one's toes or tried to take advantage of each other. And what I found is that both humans and turians seemed to find stupid excuses to further alienate each other more, even if you go completely paragon and saved the council.

That's exactly what I thought as well. Turians and Humans are very similar - so as you said it reminds me of fighting among humans themselves. So it's as if Turians and Humans are looking in the mirror. Their territorial, proud, aggressive, and competitive nature means they will have conflict with eachother yet claim that the other race is truly alien.

[Alexine]

Haha, like Athenians and Spartans. I just hope the humans and turians don't act like them in eventually setting up a peace treaty for a few decades and eventually break it off in half years of those or less.



It would be interesting, now thinking about it, if you made the choice of killing the old council and establishing a human-dominant council, you'll have to choose either the Alliance or Turian hegemony to be your ally against the Reapers in ME3.

[Collider]

I don't see the Turians ever allying Shepard in that way if you have a human council.

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

I don't see the Turians ever allying Shepard in that way if you have a human council.

I'm not too sure about that. Turians are supposed to protect and lead and serve 'the state' (whatever they call 'the state'), and when the Reapers come there is no longer a state to serve. When the Reaper threat becomes visible, and no one can dismiss this threat anymore, I think they'll have to put aside their differences and work together to prevent the galaxy to be wiped out.

Same reason why I think it would be lame if Zaeed, Kasumi etc. would leave after ME2 because their contracts have expired. They have seen with their own eyes what's coming.

[Alexine]

I could see it, depending on how ME3 will play out. There are ways that even with or without the council destroyed, Shepard could earn the loyalty of each race or manage to unite them.



But then again, I'm assuming in ME3, they make Shepard neutral standing or alienate Shepard away or not standing with Cerberus/Alliance. Too much speculations on what happens in me3... :X

[Collider]

Specifically, I am saying that I don't see a choice between either the alliance or the turians if you have a human council.Only because if the Turians join, it would stand to reason that the alliance would have also joined.

Modifié par Collider, 27 mai 2010 - 01:35 .

[Sialater]

I really doubt you'd be forced into that sort of choice. The idea is to UNITE everyone against the Reapers, not choose sides.

[Alexine]

I doubt it too, but it would be make the gameplay interesting and brings across the idea that there would be consequences to your choices that you've made. If you made a particular choice in ME1 or ME2, it would be logical that certain other choices won't be available because you made a previous choice that removes future choices. Of course there would be a way to regain them (charm/intimidate) but they'll be harder to get (maybe much higher requirement of paragon or renegade points or you'll have to do a sidequest before?)

But getting a bit off-track here...

Modifié par Alexine, 27 mai 2010 - 01:58 .

[Collider]

That's very true Alexine, there is still potential for a situation like that to occur, now that I think about it. Hopefully though, I won't have to make a choice like that, because I'd rather keep both the alliance and turians as allies.

[Pacifien]

janeym27 wrote...
Those in the 'fling' camp haven't been paying attention IMO.*snip*

I once addressed this very issue once in another thread, so to quote myself:

There comes a point when what you get out of the relationship is what you, the player, are willing to put into it. There are some romances that I actually find to be more on the casual side, but others will talk about elements I'm missing that hint toward something deeper. I'm seeing the same conversations, the same scenes as them, but I'm interpreting them in an entirely different way.

[Collider]

I think it's important to note, Pacifien, that what Garrus thinks is also important. I don't believe at all that Garrus thinks the whole is just some fling. Unless you mean that you are interpreting Garrus as that...:/

Modifié par Collider, 27 mai 2010 - 01:58 .

[Pacifien]

That's why I thought it was important to state that it is specifically you, as the player of the game, that is deciding the nature of the relationship.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Mornin', yall. Hmm. Is it just me or do Turians seem like the anti-human in the ME-verse? I don't mean anti as in bad, but as in.. the Humans' opposite number? Like.. Sure, we have Asari, and Salarians as the other major players on the galactic stage, but Turians always seemed to me to be the human-analogue.

I think there are more similarities between humans and Turians than either side would like to admit, and that may be the cause of a significant amount of the friction between the two species...

Well many turians don't like humans for the same reasons many humans don't like turians. But i'm kind of glad that its not that serious because i see humans and turians interacting with each other on the citadel...and on illium (bachealor party, anyone?) 

And the hierarchy is still giving aid to those who were affected by the First Contact War, trying to improve relations with the alliance. And there is now a human councilor. So despite the fact that there is still bitterness things are getting better rather then worse.