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[janeym27]

Pacifien wrote...

It's apparent that "fling," "casual," and even "friends with benefits" are all terms I need to avoid as I've gotten the impression people equate them with "meaningless." As I said before, there are many levels to relationships and romance. It's not any more black and white than the rest of the universe...

Though perhaps Garrus, being a black and white sort of individual, does approach it that way. Still, I wouldn't say Garrus goes into the relationship for the long-term either. He goes into the relationship seeing potential.

They aren't 'meaningless'. Friends with benefits, for example, is a very complicated and close relationship (and one which, in my experience, usually leads to one side investing more than the other. This being the case, Garrus is the more invested of the two). And I don't think anyone counter-arguing with you has given a 'black and white' argument. As Collider said: there is a great deal of interpreatation on behalf of the player as to Shepard's motivations. I think the point people are making is that by the time Garrus actually gets up to Shepard's room, and we headbump, then that moment has gone beyond being just a sex call.

And although they aren't meaningless, 'fling', 'casual' and 'friends with benefits' all imply a lack of committment. That is, either party can leave without fear of harming the other (even though in reality this is seldom true). Garrus gives Shepard an 'out' before they go for it, won't get involved if there are other people in the mix, and is visibly crushed if rejected in the bedroom. None of these imply a casual approach to the relationship to me, from Garrus' POV.

But hey: subjectivity win.

[Sialater]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Affection

Casual sex, show affection? Usually not.

If it's casual sex with someone you considered a friend, then I don't see why affection can't be apart of it. Unless I'm mistaken that friends cannot have affection for one another.

Affection would kind of be the wrong word to put it then. Because if you show affection to someone that means you have deep emotional feelings for that person, whether it would be love or devotion.

So... hugging a guy friend means I want more? 

Nope.  Sorry.  While I don't agree that Garrus' romance is all about sex or friends with benefits, that statement that affection can't exist between friends is wrong.

[Alexine]

Very adorable puppies! Imagine that if you name your pet Garrus.



'C'mere Garrus! Aww, you're so cutee!'



Okay, now that's getting a little creepy...

[Collider]

I am unable to see the Garrus rejection scene.

[Cerrydd]

Let's see what happens.

[kglaser]

[quote]Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...
 Its all subjective until the character actually says it verbally what they feel about shepard.[/quote]

I don't necessarily agree.  "A picture is worth a thousand words", particularly as well as BW do facial animations.

[Alexine]

I did it once for the name of science *cough* I didn't do the romance rejection one, but I did it with the paragon choice of being a friend early. And he goes something on the lines of if we want to get close, we'll blow something up again.



But I reloaded it again. Don't think I'll try the Garrus rejection during the romance scene.

[Bugsie]

Alexine wrote...

Very adorable puppies! Imagine that if you name your pet Garrus.

'C'mere Garrus! Aww, you're so cutee!'

Okay, now that's getting a little creepy...

 
I had toyed with this idea - but a little creepy yes!

[Pacifien]

janeym27 wrote...
As Collider said: there is a great deal of interpreatation on behalf of the player as to Shepard's motivations. I think the point people are making is that by the time Garrus actually gets up to Shepard's room, and we headbump, then that moment has gone beyond being just a sex call.

I find it to be an intimate moment. Whatever happens from that point on doesn't take away from that moment in time, which is really what I think Garrus was getting at when he said he wanted one thing to go right just once. For that time before they go through the Omega 4 Mass Relay, that moment will be right for him. For all they know, in two hours they'll be dead.

Where it goes from there is up to the player. As I've said before, with every relationship in Mass Effect, you get as much from it as you want to put into it. I think if you asked a lot of people who entered into a relationship from a friendship phase, particularly a valuable friendship, they'd say they'd value the friendship more than the romance. As most of my playthroughs keep Garrus as a friend, the relationship with him isn't very far off.

[Cerrydd]

Alexine wrote...

I did it once for the name of science *cough* I didn't do the romance rejection one, but I did it with the paragon choice of being a friend early. And he goes something on the lines of if we want to get close, we'll blow something up again.

But I reloaded it again. Don't think I'll try the Garrus rejection during the romance scene.

It's on Youtube, in case you want to feel down.

The rejections before the romance scene aren't that bad. But if you say yes yes yes and then suddenly no in the romance scene, that hurts. I did it for science and screenshots for the OP, but it sucked.

[janeym27]

Cerrydd wrote...

Alexine wrote...

I did it once for the name of science *cough* I didn't do the romance rejection one, but I did it with the paragon choice of being a friend early. And he goes something on the lines of if we want to get close, we'll blow something up again.

But I reloaded it again. Don't think I'll try the Garrus rejection during the romance scene.

It's on Youtube, in case you want to feel down.

The rejections before the romance scene aren't that bad. But if you say yes yes yes and then suddenly no in the romance scene, that hurts. I did it for science and screenshots for the OP, but it sucked.

I youtubed it after ages of avoidance... and it was like a sucker-punch to the gut!

[Alexine]

So the romance rejection scene, is it the end of the relationship in terms for Garrus'? Because what I found when I youtubed Jacob's rejection romance scene, Shepard just holds off the romance scene. Dunno about Thane, but did it feel like that for Garrus?

[Collider]

Alexine wrote...

So the romance rejection scene, is it the end of the relationship in terms for Garrus'? Because what I found when I youtubed Jacob's rejection romance scene, Shepard just holds off the romance scene. Dunno about Thane, but did it feel like that for Garrus?

I'm fairly certain that the rejection scene has Shepard say that she doesn't want to damage the friendship, so I imagine it's the end of the romance.

For Thane I don't think it's the end of the relationship.

Modifié par Collider, 28 mai 2010 - 12:49 .

[kglaser]

Cerrydd wrote...

Let's see what happens.

Cerrydd, this would make a spectacular banner!

(hint hint wink nudge *Mordincough*)

[Bugsie]

Pacifien wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
As Collider said: there is a great deal of interpreatation on behalf of the player as to Shepard's motivations. I think the point people are making is that by the time Garrus actually gets up to Shepard's room, and we headbump, then that moment has gone beyond being just a sex call.

I find it to be an intimate moment. Whatever happens from that point on doesn't take away from that moment in time, which is really what I think Garrus was getting at when he said he wanted one thing to go right just once. For that time before they go through the Omega 4 Mass Relay, that moment will be right for him. For all they know, in two hours they'll be dead.

Where it goes from there is up to the player. As I've said before, with every relationship in Mass Effect, you get as much from it as you want to put into it. I think if you asked a lot of people who entered into a relationship from a friendship phase, particularly a valuable friendship, they'd say they'd value the friendship more than the romance. As most of my playthroughs keep Garrus as a friend, the relationship with him isn't very far off.

When romance and lust wanes, friendship is the only thing that holds a relationship together.  In the real world anyhow - and definitely between Garrus and Shep the easy friendship and camaraderie is what initiates the romance for most players.

[Cerrydd]

Alexine wrote...

So the romance rejection scene, is it the end of the relationship in terms for Garrus'? Because what I found when I youtubed Jacob's rejection romance scene, Shepard just holds off the romance scene. Dunno about Thane, but did it feel like that for Garrus?

Yep, I think it's pretty much the end. Not damaging the friendship --> no romance. You only get one opportunity to say this, while you have to turn Jacob down three times to get him out of your room. Jacob's 'rejection' is more "we'll do it later". Thane's rejection depends on your interpretation, to me it seems like a miscommunication and it doesn't end there. But I'm not sure if it's the end, because I've never done it myself and don't know if the romance dialogue keeps looping after the SM.

[kglaser]

I've said it before, and most likely will again: I can't watch the final Garrus rejection scene, ever, for any reason. My little heart can't take it.

eta: Cerrydd, banner snagged!
For a nose-drinking Garrus fangirl drunkie, you sure are fast!!
thanks for that!

Modifié par kglaser, 28 mai 2010 - 01:05 .

[Cerrydd]

kglaser wrote...
Cerrydd, this would make a spectacular banner!

(hint hint wink nudge *Mordincough*)

You think so? It's as funky as trippy pic, that's true.



Pink included

(example now visible in my sig)

Do you want a background with that?

Modifié par Cerrydd, 28 mai 2010 - 01:07 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

thank you cerry, something awesome to put in my sig. I'm sorry translation party banner.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

and yeah cerry, that would be awesome if you put in like an abstract background or something. Go crazy with it =)

[Brass_Buckles]

Garrus as seen by a narcotics abuser?

[Bugsie]

Cerrydd wrote...

kglaser wrote...
Cerrydd, this would make a spectacular banner!

(hint hint wink nudge *Mordincough*)

You think so? It's as funky as trippy pic, that's true.



Pink included

(example now visible in my sig)

Do you want a background with that?

very very cool

[kglaser]

AN ASPLODING BACKGROUND! Do want! hehe



Not that I'm a demanding lazy non-banner-making person. Oh wait, I totally am.

[Alexine]

I just want the yellow Garrus!

[Bugsie]

Cerrydd, you've inspired me to do a Warhol Garrus, but I share an office with my boss and I can feel his glare on the back of my neck - will have to wait till I get home..........