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[Cerrydd]

janeym27 wrote...

Also, I could live with a 'Garrus dead' ending. As long as a, it was an optional ending, not a forced on me ending, and b, he gets a death worthy of his awesome. None of this dragged into the ether by swarms, or impaled through the chest business. D:

The optional part is pretty important. I almost threw my laptop out of the window after finishing DA:O for the first time. Ok, not really, but I was pissed.

Makes me wonder. Would (romanced) Garrus insist on sacrificing himself to make sure Shepard lives on? Not saying that will happen, but it's some food for thought.

[lovgreno]

I got to admit I realy dislike unhappy endings. So I will have to insist on a option to live happily ever after with our aliens.

[Twilight_Princess]

Cerrydd wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Also, I could live with a 'Garrus dead' ending. As long as a, it was an optional ending, not a forced on me ending, and b, he gets a death worthy of his awesome. None of this dragged into the ether by swarms, or impaled through the chest business. D:

The optional part is pretty important. I almost threw my laptop out of the window after finishing DA:O for the first time. Ok, not really, but I was pissed.

Makes me wonder. Would (romanced) Garrus insist on sacrificing himself to make sure Shepard lives on? Not saying that will happen, but it's some food for thought.

DA:O.. god how depressing was Alistair’s romance!

SPOILERS!!









If you want that "happy" ending with Alistair you have to choose the lesser of three evils

1.Leave Al behind then kill yourself
2.Bring Al along and he'll kill himself for you
3. Let him have sex with Morrigan and impregnate her so that you both can live

I was so mad! There wasn't a true happy ending available at all, letting him have sex with Morrigan was the absolute worst. All that beautiful romance you share with him throughout the game, only to have her give you that ultimatum near the end in order for you to stay together. I have to skip that sleazy cut scene every time, blergh. Tell you what Morrigan, here’s a fourth option for you;

4. Alistair will give you a cup of his junk and you could do your ritual with a turkey baster because you aint sleeping with my man beotch *finger snaps*

[janeym27]

Cerrydd wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Also, I could live with a 'Garrus dead' ending. As long as a, it was an optional ending, not a forced on me ending, and b, he gets a death worthy of his awesome. None of this dragged into the ether by swarms, or impaled through the chest business. D:

The optional part is pretty important. I almost threw my laptop out of the window after finishing DA:O for the first time. Ok, not really, but I was pissed.

Makes me wonder. Would (romanced) Garrus insist on sacrificing himself to make sure Shepard lives on? Not saying that will happen, but it's some food for thought.

Garrus would totally sacrifice himself for Shepard. Romanced or no, IMO. I recall that being an issue on the HTL death order: Garrus dies earlier than his defense score would imply, because he would sacrifice himself  to save the others.

I was lucky in DA:O (well, less lucky, more obsessive. lol.) but on my replay of the ending I had an idea of how I wanted it to play out, and then I suffered the same ending as yourself. If I had gotten that first time, I would have probably flipped. lol Mind you: it wasn't so much the ending that irked me (I thought it was touching and sad and sweet when he did what he did), but the way it was handled afterwards. Everyone dismissed it and the game acted almost as if nothing had happened. THAT pissed me off. As I said: if you're gonna do a character death, give them a decent send off. Let us see that their death means something to the other character's in the game.

In ME3, this will be all the more important, IMO. At this point, Shepard and her team have been through too much together for too long for the loss of any team member to go unremarked.

[Jackalope]

Oh...I wish option #4 with the turkey baster was an option.



That being said, it did give Alistair a very tragic-Camelot feel to him.



Back to Garrus...I don't think he would ever be presented with the same self-sacrifice scenario as Alistair (say that three times fast). Depending on your Shepard, if Shepard was sacrificing herself and Garrus tried to help, she's probably pull rank on him and make him stay out of danger.



Also depending on your Shepard, you make him cannon fodder. For 1,581,861 Renegade points.

[janeym27]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I was so mad! There wasn't a true happy ending available at all, letting him have sex with Morrigan was the absolute worst. All that beautiful romance you share with him throughout the game, only to have her give you that ultimatum near the end in order for you to stay together. I have to skip that sleazy cut scene every time, blergh. Tell you what Morrigan, here’s a fourth option for you;

4. Alistair will give you a cup of his junk and you could do your ritual with a turkey baster because you aint sleeping with my man beotch *finger snaps*

lol. See, that bit didn't bother me. (although the sexy scene we got did). I was like "well, there are worse things. And he's doing it because I asked, so I guess he really DOES love me.":lol:


ME3 ending:

Shepard: Garrus, we can both come out of this alive, but you have to do something for me. You have to sleep with TIM.
Garrus:

[danitiwa]

HAHAHAHA, Garrus+Illusive Man. Oh lord crack pairings ftw. We might as well have Jacob and Harbinger... OH WAIT...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzvvf1Sp7g

[Xsause]

janeym27 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I was so mad! There wasn't a true happy ending available at all, letting him have sex with Morrigan was the absolute worst. All that beautiful romance you share with him throughout the game, only to have her give you that ultimatum near the end in order for you to stay together. I have to skip that sleazy cut scene every time, blergh. Tell you what Morrigan, here’s a fourth option for you;

4. Alistair will give you a cup of his junk and you could do your ritual with a turkey baster because you aint sleeping with my man beotch *finger snaps*

lol. See, that bit didn't bother me. (although the sexy scene we got did). I was like "well, there are worse things. And he's doing it because I asked, so I guess he really DOES love me.":lol:


ME3 ending:

Shepard: Garrus, we can both come out of this alive, but you have to do something for me. You have to sleep with TIM.
Garrus:

Does this mean I can finally post my idea for ME3's ending without ruining DA:O for everyone? YAY!


*DA:O spoilers ahead...I guess*

[Sand King]

[Xsause]

Sand King wrote...

Wow, I got someone to post Speechless Link.

BRB, going to add that to my life achievements.

[lovgreno]

Spirits have mercy on my poor eyes... You actualy want there! Xsauce, you are so entertaining I wish I could pay you for your work.

[danitiwa]

Anyone ever notice how "Solus" sounds like Soul-less? XD MORDIN SOUL LESS. It kept poking me in the head whenever someone said his name out loud.

[Xsause]

And, just to prove that I exist solely to creep you out beyond belief, here's a followup comic!

"WTF!?"




I just creeped myself out.

Modifié par Xsause, 05 juin 2010 - 10:02 .

[battlechantress]

Wow, I thought my mind was fried from 3 hours of sleep for the past two days. That post just put it in the tenderizer.

[danitiwa]

I've never played Dragon Age but that looks wrong and funny. :I



I never even considered THAT kind of cross-species-cross-gender intercourse. Lordy.



I wonder if screwing aliens is beastiality, because they're a different species.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Idk....if you commit beastiality then you are screwing animals, beasts. Other species act more like regular people then beasts.

[janeym27]

Beastiality applies in the absence of sapience. It's xenophila with sapient aliens.



Xsause: that was just... yes! XD

[Cerrydd]

Oh gawd, the beastiality thing again?

Screwing Garrus is xenophilia.

Screwing Urz is beastiality.

A big, big difference.

[Kim Shepard]

I definitely think Garrus would sacrifice himself for Shepard, which is why I don't want a situation like that to happen. While it would be interesting to see a side of EvilShep that's respectful of the dead and actually cares if someone dies (because Garrus is his most loyal squadmate, EvilShep does not want to lose him), I wouldn't let that happen if it could be prevented.

*Spoilers* For Alistair and DA:O, I actually thought that chart with the lesser of three evils would be reversed. Ritual, Alistair death, then Warden death. But in the case of the ending that might make the Warden really angry (the one where he can't stay with her and become king), then she might want him sacrificed. *Spoilers*

Xsauce, those comics are hilarious as always. xD Poor Garrus.

[Collider]

Bestiality cannot realistically apply to humans and turians. Bestiality was a term made on earth, whose only sapient race is humans. Bestiality on earth would be taking advantage of organisms who aren't sapient (which happens to be why bestiality is wrong), but Turians are sapient, therefore there is no one taking advantage. Technically, bestiality means "interspecies sex" but as I said it's a term made on earth, and does not take into account whatever alien species out there in the universe that may be sapient.

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Yes. Garrus would definitely take the bullet for Shepard. Which would really suck. I can't my have my bro Garrus die at the end of a trilogy. It just isn't right. :\\ I think that the dark/tragic ending may have worked for Dragon Age since it's just a single game, for Mass Effect it would not work.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

oh my god lets just drop that subject, lol.

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...
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Yes. Garrus would definitely take the bullet for Shepard. Which would really suck. I can't my have my bro Garrus die at the end of a trilogy. It just isn't right. :\\\\ I think that the dark/tragic ending may have worked for Dragon Age since it's just a single game, for Mass Effect it would not work.

I don't think that ruling out dark/tragic endings altogether works either, though. The stakes are pretty high here. If BW don't offer a selection of possible endings, including both 'happy' and 'sad' amoung them, I will be disappoint.

Like I said, a character death when done well (and as the result of choices made, not choices forced) can be highly effective, and I would actually like a scenario where Garrus, or indeed anyone, can die provided they get the right send off. I mean, obviously my main Shep is going for the happy, but I would genuinly like to see how she deals with personal loss on that level. You can't have an 'end of life in the universe' threat and not have a dark consequence possible.

Garrus' 'snipe one for me' death was pretty good, but it was only possible if he was disloyal (thankfully, he's a toughie to kill) which meant no LI specific death. And I felt that Thane and Jack's death scenes when picked for 2nd team leader, gave those romances a certain extra something, small as those changes were. I know it sounds crazy, but I was jelous of the lack of Garrus death options compared to some other characters. The only ways for loyal Gar to die were seeker swarm, chest spike, or vents, and none of those gave him the exit he deserved.

As I said, I'm not rooting for Garrus death here, but I like a bit of tragedy available for RP reasons, and I would like a dark send off for our turian hero be an option.

[Collider]

I agree Janey - specifically I was talking about being forced into a tragic or dark ending ala Dragon Age. I think that a scenario like ME2 where the success of the mission depends on how prepared you are going in would satisfy both people who want happy endings and people who want some loss and darkness.

[janeym27]

Ah. I never felt forced with DA. Probably because I got happily ever after 1st PT. lol. (I honestly don't see the Morrigan sex as a big deal).



I agree. Or at the very least give us dialogue choices to talk our way around certain scenarios (why oh why was there not a 'hit Alistair on the head and take the kill yourself' option? :S) Actually, as I've said, my big issue with the DA ending we're mad at wasn't that it happened, but how the other characters reacted to it happening. However ME3 ends, whoever is alive or dead, they had damn well better have more than generic 'celebration' crap to talk about in the epilogue!

[Sialater]

janeym27 wrote...

Ah. I never felt forced with DA. Probably because I got happily ever after 1st PT. lol. (I honestly don't see the Morrigan sex as a big deal).

I agree. Or at the very least give us dialogue choices to talk our way around certain scenarios (why oh why was there not a 'hit Alistair on the head and take the kill yourself' option? :S) Actually, as I've said, my big issue with the DA ending we're mad at wasn't that it happened, but how the other characters reacted to it happening. However ME3 ends, whoever is alive or dead, they had damn well better have more than generic 'celebration' crap to talk about in the epilogue!

You didn't play a poor elf mage who was nice to him after his sister was such a female varren.  THAT was painful.


I don't care about optional sad endings.  It'll be nice for those that want them, I suppose, but I want my Shepards to be far happier than my Wardens.