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[Bugsie]

Alexine wrote...

And yesterday, I have my sister come over and use my computer for facebook (since she doesn't have internet and I do) and she saw my Garrus wallpaper. She said why I chose such an ugly character to grace my wallpapers.

But I told her he's the best badass alien ever, so that's why he's my wallpaper.

I had the same thing from a friend of mine - she couldn't understand why I would like him....

My only explanation was to say "when it comes to Garrus Vakarian - he is the whole damn package......."

[Alexine]

Andaius20 wrote...

It's been talked about in the Tali thread alot too. Seems it's a bioforums bug/glitch. Some have said closing the browser and reopening fixes it.

Hmm, I've tried that, cleaned off the cookies and cache and everything. But I still can't quote some people... Ah well, it's not a big issue.

Modifié par Alexine, 06 juin 2010 - 06:12 .

[Alexine]

Andaius20 wrote...

Alexine you could have used this line:

haha, I might next time.

Just a curious question, what other responses do people you know who don't know ME have when they see Garrus? So far I've mainly got 'butt-ugly', but I did get one 'asthetically colourful' from a design friend of mine.

[Chimervera]

Alexine wrote...

Just a curious question, what other responses do people you know who don't know ME have when they see Garrus? So far I've mainly got 'butt-ugly', but I did get one 'asthetically colourful' from a design friend of mine.

I have one friend that is absolutely terrified of Garrus, just from seeing my background. She refuses to come near me when I have my laptop open because he really creeps her out.
Another one of my friends thinks he's a guy in a mask.

The rest of my non-ME-playing friends don't really have an opinion, but I once had a little girl tell me that he looked really cool.

[Bugsie]

I got a friend of mine to read some smutty fanfic I wrote - she's never played ME so she wanted to see what Garrus looked like, still waiting on her response, but I also showed her Brandon Keener......

[Christmas Ape]

Garrus is a chilling man on 2175 Aiea...put some real doubt in my mind about how to handle Sidonis when it comes down to it, and Garrus just got some news that put a fire in his eyes on the present playthrough. I don't want to make the most trusted man on my ship a predatory killer no matter his motives, always moving towards the next chance to punish - I gave him Saleon because that saved people going forward, but Sidonis isn't going to do that again. On the other hand - he compromised the unit. The turian cardinal sin. I feel like I'm interfering in a cultural obligation if I block the shot - and Shepard (or at least this one) can't take away something he needs.



Thoughts?

[Collider]

I don't think having Sidonis killed makes Garrus a "predatory killer." Everyone on the ship is a killer. Sidonis did something wrong and Garrus wanted him to pay for it.

[Kim Shepard]

I found out something really interesting while playing ME1. Do you guys remember those side missions to search for stuff like turian insignias? Well, after picking one up from a turian corpse, I decided to move the camera in a way to get a better view of the turian/his helmet, and amazingly... when the camera got really close to it, I got to see inside the helmet, and there's a turian face in there! They actually bothered to make a face behind the helmet of a random corpse. And it looks just like Nihlus!

Now, I don't remember the colony name exactly (I'm pretty sure it started with a "B"), but if someone could tell me where to find a list of the colonies from those insignias, I would know it when I see it. And we could possibly know what colony Nihlus is from (unless the game would just give that facepaint to any random corpse - I really hope not, but I've still got two more to find, so I can check on that).

@kglaser: I'll know for sure if the Liara thing works if I don't get the scene where she comes to help Shepard up when the Normandy is grounded. I just have a few side missions left before Virmire, so I'll know soon enough. If it doesn't work, at least I found the save I'd have to go back to...

[Andaius20]

Shepard kills for less. He's killed dozens and dozens of people for just being in front of him and his objectives.

[Christmas Ape]

I'm just saying that while I certainly didn't try to bolster his opinion of regulations, I don't want to feel like every problem gets solved with a gun.

Not every mistake means someone makes a better corpse than they do a person. Saleon did. I don't think Sidonis does. But...I feel like it's necessary.

Shepard kills for less. He's killed dozens and dozens of people for just
being in front of him and his objectives.

They were shooting back.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 06 juin 2010 - 06:58 .

[Kim Shepard]

Which mission is 2157 Aiea? It sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it...

Andaius20 wrote...

Shepard kills for less. He's killed dozens and dozens of people for just being in front of him and his objectives.

Shepard can also say "a bullet in the head solves everything." xD And my MainShep did.

[Andaius20]

Christmas Ape wrote...

I'm just saying that while I certainly didn't try to bolster his opinion of regulations, I don't want to feel like every problem gets solved with a gun.

Not every mistake means someone makes a better corpse than they do a person. Saleon did. I don't think Sidonis does. But...I feel like it's necessary.

Shepard kills for less. He's killed dozens and dozens of people for just
being in front of him and his objectives.

They were shooting back.

ok look at it this way, what if say crewman Hawthorne betrayed your team to say the Blue Suns and you came back to find every last person on the Normady dead? Wouldn't you kill him for that?  

[Christmas Ape]

Kim Shepard wrote...
Which mission is 2157 Aiea? It sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it...

Jacob's loyalty mission.

Ronald Taylor, panicking: You don't know what they'll do to me!
Garrus, cold as ice: I'm willing to make a guess.

[Aricle]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Which mission is 2157 Aiea? It sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it...
 

Teh Prriiize.

[Christmas Ape]

Andaius20 wrote...
ok look at it this way, what if say crewman Hawthorne betrayed your team to say the Blue Suns and you came back to find every last person on the Normady dead? Wouldn't you kill him for that?

There are a lot of people on the Normandy who don't have a damn thing to do with any grudge the Blue Suns should have for me. There's a small difference there.

But ultimately, the question isn't would I be ready to shoot him dead. The question is...would I want someone to give me a reason not to? And yet more to the point: Would I want Garrus to give me a reason not to?

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 06 juin 2010 - 07:21 .

[Alexine]

Just found one of these pics while randomly googling. Not sure if it was posted here before:

Click 01
Click 02

If somebody can get the iphone apps and make one with a calibrations power, I'll love you forever!

[Andaius20]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
ok look at it this way, what if say crewman Hawthorne betrayed your team to say the Blue Suns and you came back to find every last person on the Normady dead? Wouldn't you kill him for that?

There are a lot of people on the Normandy who don't have a damn thing to do with any grudge the Blue Suns should have for me. There's a small difference there.

But ultimately, the question isn't would I be ready to shoot him dead. The question is...would I want someone to give me a reason not to?

Not really, your team is dead, and you know who is responsable. Personally I always talk to Garrus about if he really wants to do this. Until he gets mad and snaps at me. Then I let him kill the bastard.

[Kim Shepard]

Okay, I found the turian insignia info. Thank you, Mass Effect Wiki. Kepler Verge - Newton - Ontarom - Bostra Outpost. And the Wiki also says that Nihlus was born in a small mercenary outpost, so it's possible...

Also, if anyone wants to see a turian's neck without the shirt collar around it (or in hologram-form like the turian councillor), just move the camera around that turian corpse. It gives a weird view inside the head too, with the eyes and mouth/teeth that reminded me of some screenshots posted a while back. The turian inside the armor ends with the neck though - the rest is hollow.

@ Christmas Ape: I don't know why I don't remember that response from Garrus, since I took him with me. xD That's an awesome quote though. In that mission, I think it's normal for Garrus to act cold. I saw Legion's video on youtube, and he said something about organics being creative and it would be interesting to see what they come up with. I wonder if everyone has a similar response there.

[Aricle]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
ok look at it this way, what if say crewman Hawthorne betrayed your team to say the Blue Suns and you came back to find every last person on the Normady dead? Wouldn't you kill him for that?

There are a lot of people on the Normandy who don't have a damn thing to do with any grudge the Blue Suns should have for me. There's a small difference there.

But ultimately, the question isn't would I be ready to shoot him dead. The question is...would I want someone to give me a reason not to?

 I don't like the way Shepard says she 'understands what he's going through'.... I'm not sure that she does, or if I were Garrus, I'm not sure that I'd be convinced by that comment alone. In the moment, I would not want someone to give me a reason not to, but later, yes, I would have wanted someone to do what Shepard does and ask me to think about what  I am contemplating. I protect Sidonis long enough to hear his story and, as I see it, let Garrus decide based on what he has heard. Sidonis lives because he is already in torment and I think Garrus had no idea that Sidonis is suffering to that degree, so he lets him go.

[Christmas Ape]

Aricle wrote...

I don't like the way Shepard says she 'understands what he's going through'.... I'm not sure that she does, or if I were Garrus, I'm not sure that I'd be convinced by that comment alone.

Another side effect of "default" Shepard being Sole Survivor, I bet.

[Aricle]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Aricle wrote...
I don't like the way Shepard says she 'understands what he's going through'.... I'm not sure that she does, or if I were Garrus, I'm not sure that I'd be convinced by that comment alone.

Another side effect of "default" Shepard being Sole Survivor, I bet.

By default, you mean a popular choice? That is my Shepard's reputation. Maybe Garrus does feel that she is sincere, and it's just my dislike of people saying that without thinking first.

I've tried to imagine what in her background (mine being Earthborn Sole Survivor) would make her understand what he's going through, specifically in that situation... the closest I've come is what Cerberus did to her squad on Akuze and by killing Admiral Kahoku. With that in mind, I don't want to kill T.I.M.- I want him to watch as I fight the Reapers my own way without putting humans before all others. I enjoyed having Joker 'lose this channel' when T.I.M. is trying to talk to me once back on the Normandy after blowing up the base.

[Lemonwizard]

Sort of unrelated, but I want to go to bed now but also don't want to go to bed now because I might miss page 1000....

[Christmas Ape]

Aricle wrote...
By default, you mean a popular choice? That is my Shepard's reputation. Maybe Garrus does feel that she is sincere, and it's just my dislike of people saying that without thinking first.

I mean the default marketing "John Shepard, Earthborn Sole Survivor" profile.

[Kim Shepard]

I'll probably miss page 1,000 too, just like I seem to miss all of the other milestone pages. xD Sometimes only one page goes by in several hours, and sometimes ten pages go by.

Anyway, I think Shepard's line is fine the way it is. Perhaps it's not the best choice of words if Shepard is supposed to be really specific about it, but the dialogue choices often don't sound exactly the way we want them to. Shepard doesn't need to have a firsthand understanding of what Garrus is feeling after his team died to understand why he feels that way. My MainShep is a Colonist War Hero. She can still understand why Garrus wants to kill Sidonis even though she was never betrayed in the same way.

[Nilfalasiel]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Aricle wrote...
By default, you mean a popular choice? That is my Shepard's reputation. Maybe Garrus does feel that she is sincere, and it's just my dislike of people saying that without thinking first.

I mean the default marketing "John Shepard, Earthborn Sole Survivor" profile.

Yeah, if you just pick the default Shep settings, that's the profile you'll get.

The thing is, all the psych backgrounds for Shep involve her/him losing a lot of people. Sole Survivor has the Thresher Maw fiasco, War Hero single-handedly holds the line (and that means the rest of her/his unit is probably dead), and Ruthless sacrifices a ton of people. If you add to that the fact that Colonist also loses her/his whole family, well, I'm pretty sure any Shep *can* actually understand what Garrus is going through. Fair enough, there's no betrayal involved in Shep's story, but she/he can relate to what it feels like to lose a lot of friends/relatives/colleagues.

Well, maybe Ruthless Shep actually didn't care about sacrificing all those guys (I've never tried that background, so I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me). In which case, she/he might not understand quite so easily.

Concerning ME3 and the death scenes, I sincerely hope they don't pull a DA:O. Those possible Alistair outcomes are actually part of the reason I stayed the hell away from his romance. Noble sacrifice? Demon babies? Err...no thanks. I'm still trying to decide what I'm going to do with him on this playthrough, even if I didn't romance him...Seriously, I don't want him to die, I don't want my Warden to die...and I sure as heck don't want Morrigan to produce some kind of hellspawn.

So yeah, please, nothing like that in ME3. You should probably be able to have the choice to sacrifice some squaddies if you really want some drama, but don't make ALL the survival options have the DA:O kind of drawback attached to them.

@ Kim Shepard: I still don't understand what happened to your Liara convo...Maybe it's because you picked the Renegade option to reject her before? It makes no sense, of course, but that's the only difference I can think of from my own experience. I always picked the neutral response to reject her ("I'm not interested in you in that way"), and she NEVER ninjamanced me afterwards. It worked on 4 different playthroughs.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 06 juin 2010 - 11:04 .