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[ZennExile]

Luc0s wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Wow the OP is crazy. If you are THIS hateful towards a videogame why wasting any time on the game (including the forum) at all? Just go play some Hello Kitty Rainbow Adventures or something...

I'll go play Hello Kitty and make a video documentary of my experiences there for you if you can quote me anywhere on these forums saying I don't like the game.  No joke.  I'll even wear a hello kitty costume (with the tiny backpack) while doing it.

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No you never said literally that you hated ME2, but you pretty much flamed well... EVERYTHING from ME2 in this topic...

So you assume, and in so doing make and ass out of u and me, but not really me because I am immune to your assmaking virus.

And I have certainly not covered everything.  That's why it says to be continued.

[Ashkeldir]

ZennExile wrote...
Being racist doesn't mean you hate someone.  It means you make assumptions about them based on their race.  Good bad or indifferent.  Saying Japanese kids are good at math (while technically true based on global educational surveys) is still racist.

Now I'm just being nit-picky, but, since so many others feel the need to do so, I am suddenly feeling overwhelmed with the need...

What you're talking about is prejudice, not racism.

I used to be 'prejudiced' against people in wheelchairs, specifically those who had conditions that prevented them from being able to feed themselves, or move their chairs themselves, or who had their faces contorted by cruel diseases, and other factors - but when I realized I was being prejudiced just because I was afraid of not knowing what to say, and when I realized that those people are human and just want to be treated as people, it was my choice to stop seeing those things when I look at those people.  After all, if someone gets a pimple on their face right before a big date, they hope their date doesn't notice - how much more do those in wheelchairs with some of the aforementioned conditions hope that we will just see them for who they are, not in what position their body is stuck.

Anyway, that's not racism, it's prejudice, just to nit-pick.  
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Modifié par Ashkeldir, 20 février 2010 - 12:46 .

[StingerSplash01]

Zenn I was implying the other topic was civil and you are far from it, I don't consider my idea right by any means, as the lore is theirs so I can't be completely right however, instead of instantly bashing something, I THOUGHT IT THROUGH before I make conjectures on the ideas of the developers

[ZennExile]

Ashkeldir wrote...

ZennExile wrote...
Being racist doesn't mean you hate someone.  It means you make assumptions about them based on their race.  Good bad or indifferent.  Saying Japanese kids are good at math (while technically true based on global educational surveys) is still racist.

Now I'm just being nit-picky, but, since so many others feel the need to do so, I am suddenly feeling overwhelmed with the need...

What you're talking about is prejudice, not racism.

I used to be 'prejudiced' against people in wheel chairs, specifically those who had conditions that prevented them from being able to feed themselves, or move their chairs themselves, or who had their faces contorted by cruel diseases, and other factors - but when I realized I was being prejudiced just because I was afraid of not knowing what to say, and when I realized that those people are human and just want to be treated as people, it was my choice to stop seeing those things when I look at those people.  After all, if someone gets a pimple on their face right before a big date, they hope their date doesn't notice - how much more do those in wheelchairs with some of the aforementioned conditions hope that we will just see them for who they are, not in what position their body is stuck.

Anyway, that's not racism, it's prejudice, just to nit-pick.  
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Woah woah woah.  Where's all the semantics comin from here?  Same thing different context

Really though racism and prejudice are the same thing just racism specifically focuses on race while prejudice covers a more general itteration like woman, the disabled, children, old people, animals, hippies... you get the idea.  prejudice is also more about hate the racism if you boil it all down to the good stock.

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[MajFauxPas]

Agreed on Jacob.



Potentially the most influential character in ME2 who just turned out to be nobody in the back of the room. Jacob had such a good start... the guy who risks his ass to tell you the truth. Loved him instantly. He had great combat abilities, too, but I completely lost interest after the loyalty mission.



Seriously, he could have been saving his dad from the collectors, or something meaningful. Or, perhaps Jacob's dad could have ACTUALLY been captain of a ship and ACTUALLY needed help instead of this "haha gotcha player we just wanted to mess with your head by trying to follow this side-story LOLSUCKER!"



Side-note: that's the one thing that didn't happen that should have... nobody saved anyone's ass form the collectors in the loyalty missions? WTF? Instead we are told where to go by Smokesalot (damn you I just quit!) which just happens to be where Ash is and we randomly end up saving her. Who needs a plot? It's just a video game, right? RIGHT?

[ZennExile]

StingerSplash01 wrote...

Zenn I was implying the other topic was civil and you are far from it, I don't consider my idea right by any means, as the lore is theirs so I can't be completely right however, instead of instantly bashing something, I THOUGHT IT THROUGH before I make conjectures on the ideas of the developers

Then why did you immediately attack someone in this thread following your statement about how I'm an idiot and everyone should visit your thread instead?

Because yer a hypocrit or a liar?  Exactly.  You don't even understand the difference between having an opinion and forcing it down people's throats.  You're not even level headed enough to realize this thread isn't about what people like or don't like it's about what the game forces players to imagine the answers to.

You're just not able to process any of this yet you are somehow convinced of your "obvious" superiority.  Yes that is a stab directly at your annoyingly formatted post and how it started off with "Well obviously you don't have a clue" which reaffrims EVERYTHING I suggest is true about you in a single sentence.

But hey

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Modifié par ZennExile, 20 février 2010 - 12:31 .

[ZennExile]

MajFauxPas wrote...

Agreed on Jacob.

Potentially the most influential character in ME2 who just turned out to be nobody in the back of the room. Jacob had such a good start... the guy who risks his ass to tell you the truth. Loved him instantly. He had great combat abilities, too, but I completely lost interest after the loyalty mission.

Seriously, he could have been saving his dad from the collectors, or something meaningful. Or, perhaps Jacob's dad could have ACTUALLY been captain of a ship and ACTUALLY needed help instead of this "haha gotcha player we just wanted to mess with your head by trying to follow this side-story LOLSUCKER!"

Side-note: that's the one thing that didn't happen that should have... nobody saved anyone's ass form the collectors in the loyalty missions? WTF? Instead we are told where to go by Smokesalot (damn you I just quit!) which just happens to be where Ash is and we randomly end up saving her. Who needs a plot? It's just a video game, right? RIGHT?

I would have been happy if they somehow would have tied the ship crashing to anything in the over arching story at all but it's so completely random it just doesn't have an sense of it's own to anchor it to the story.

[Ashkeldir]

StingerSplash01 wrote...
hope anyone who reads
this will finally understand that an "ammo system" is actually need for
the game to make sense on top of the game making reasons.

I would have found it acceptable if they had introduced a temporary (less effective) way of firing your weapon when you are out of heat sinks.  Can you imagine the Alliance going to war and giving rifles to their soldiers that would run out of ammo, when they previously had the ability to fire until overheat?  If you had a choice, IRL, if you were a soldier, would you prefer a weapon that basically never runs out of ammo, or a weapon that you had to carry a load of heat sinks for?  What if you had to go hunt a bunch of creatures that didn't use weapons, and never dropped heat sinks?  You'd eventually run out of thermal clips because you'd never find any in their weapons (since they don't use any) - and IRL, that would just be idiotic.  No one would revert to technology that forces them to depend on something when they had a far better choice two years previous.  If I had a choice, I'd carry one of the old weapons as a backup!!

On top of this, the entire premise behind the Thermal Clips is that you have a limited amount of them in your 'ammo pack', but their presentation of the whole thing makes no sense at all. They catered to the game mechanics by providing us with this explanation, but the game mechanics themselves don't add up.

I'll spell it out : 

If I have a pistol that has 24 shots readily available, and 263 in reserve ammo, I have a total of 287 shots.

If I take 1 shot and eject a thermal clip, I then have 24 shots readily available and 262 in reserve ammo, and I could do that another 286 times, until I run out of shots - which has to mean that I actually have 287 thermal clips to start off - but that's not the case, because one thermal clip allows 24 shots (in that particular weapon), and if I take all 24 shots and the thermal clip is used up, I am then down to a total of 263 shots, which would mean I only have 263 thermal clips (even though I had a total of 287 thermal clips to start off with, and only ejected one, which means I should have 286 thermal clips left).

Can't make this any more clear without screenshots and pointers or a video clip - but I think/hope I got the point across.

Bioware mucked it up, and then implemented a mechanic that some people blindly accept, and on top of that, people accept the fact about the heat sinks, because we don't have a choice... We are being forced to accept garbage because they couldn't come up with anything better.  I'm not hating on the game - I'm stating the fact - don't tell me it's because they had to make concessions for game mechanics or for customers - if you're going to do both, come up with a solution that works, not something thrown into a meat grinder and smushed together like the heat sink debacle.

[MajFauxPas]

Off topic, on racism: I'm not sure this is a good line of conversation to follow in these forums, but suffice it to say that neither racism nor prejudice can be boiled down to 'good' stock. I know you know that, I just happen to be walking around with buckets of water....

[StingerSplash01]

The thing about reserve ammo in games is that this is the norm, all shooters do this without explaining it, the first reason is that gamers would be pissed if they accidentally push the reload button and they lose half of their ammo supply because of it, the second reason it that the reserve ammo is the only variable there sometimes, the game makes the clip a temporary variable, but doesn't actually change the variable for your total ammo until you reload, at which point it takes the clip count off your reserve count.

[ZennExile]

StingerSplash01 wrote...

The thing about reserve ammo in games is that this is the norm, all shooters do this without explaining it, the first reason is that gamers would be pissed if they accidentally push the reload button and they lose half of their ammo supply because of it, the second reason it that the reserve ammo is the only variable there sometimes, the game makes the clip a temporary variable, but doesn't actually change the variable for your total ammo until you reload, at which point it takes the clip count off your reserve count.

We are truly glad someone of your obvious mental superiority has graced us with such a thorough and "obviously" superior explaination as to why ammo clips are what they are.  But to be perfectly honest, you're off topic and no one cares what your imagination (yes because that's what you are using to make crap up) tells you is true or right or justified.  This thread is about the game and what it expressly forces retards like you to "IMAGINE" the answers to.

I don't think this could be any more clear so why not go bump "your" thread since it's obviously superior and stop attacking this one with off topic mental diarrea.

[ZennExile]

Luc0s wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Wow the OP is crazy. If you are THIS hateful towards a videogame why wasting any time on the game (including the forum) at all? Just go play some Hello Kitty Rainbow Adventures or something...

I'll go play Hello Kitty and make a video documentary of my experiences there for you if you can quote me anywhere on these forums saying I don't like the game.  No joke.  I'll even wear a hello kitty costume (with the tiny backpack) while doing it.

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No you never said literally that you hated ME2, but you pretty much flamed well... EVERYTHING from ME2 in this topic...

So you assume, and in so doing make and ass out of u and me, but not really me because I am immune to your assmaking virus.

And I have certainly not covered everything.  That's why it says to be continued.

Cool story bro... except that you're trolling is not really that cool, but sure, whatever floats your gay-ass boat man.

you're like the 5th person i've encounterd on these forums fixated on asses and gayness... strange.

Oh and what is trolling?  Expressing ideas and thoughts?  Or attacking other people's ideas and thoughts?  Think long and hard (oops sorry fergot about yer ass fixation).  Think about it thoroughly and you might get how this post makes you the troll.

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[Kerberus88]

ZennExile wrote...

StingerSplash01 wrote...

The thing about reserve ammo in games is that this is the norm, all shooters do this without explaining it, the first reason is that gamers would be pissed if they accidentally push the reload button and they lose half of their ammo supply because of it, the second reason it that the reserve ammo is the only variable there sometimes, the game makes the clip a temporary variable, but doesn't actually change the variable for your total ammo until you reload, at which point it takes the clip count off your reserve count.

We are truly glad someone of your obvious mental superiority has graced us with such a thorough and "obviously" superior explaination as to why ammo clips are what they are.  But to be perfectly honest, you're off topic and no one cares what your imagination (yes because that's what you are using to make crap up) tells you is true or right or justified.  This thread is about the game and what it expressly forces retards like you to "IMAGINE" the answers to.

I don't think this could be any more clear so why not go bump "your" thread since it's obviously superior and stop attacking this one with off topic mental diarrea.

Attack him and not his statement, way to sidestep the issue buddy.

[StingerSplash01]

Mental Diarrhea? I unintentionally stabbed you once with one word and you come back with 900?

I don't make this **** up the information can easily be found if you look, however I have never shoved anything down people throats as you state I put the information out there make of it what you will, but not allowing conflicting views in a discussion is wrong, and by the looks of it the only person here standing on a soapbox is you.

[Ashkeldir]

MajFauxPas wrote...(damn you I just quit!)

Way off topic, but yet topical.  How do I do it?

I'd say 'just trust me' if you knew me, but since you don't, I'll just hope you take a minute to check out the site - this guy is/was amazing - nothing compares, if you're trying to quit smoking (or still feel like you haven't quit, even though you have - and I believe that boat includes you) http://www.theeasywa...topsmoking.com/  Just trust me - it works.

Check out the webcasts - there are three free webcasts (and I met the guy in the video clip - went to a seminar in Vancouver a half dozen years back - he's a great guy  

[ZennExile]

Kerberus88 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

StingerSplash01 wrote...

The thing about reserve ammo in games is that this is the norm, all shooters do this without explaining it, the first reason is that gamers would be pissed if they accidentally push the reload button and they lose half of their ammo supply because of it, the second reason it that the reserve ammo is the only variable there sometimes, the game makes the clip a temporary variable, but doesn't actually change the variable for your total ammo until you reload, at which point it takes the clip count off your reserve count.

We are truly glad someone of your obvious mental superiority has graced us with such a thorough and "obviously" superior explaination as to why ammo clips are what they are.  But to be perfectly honest, you're off topic and no one cares what your imagination (yes because that's what you are using to make crap up) tells you is true or right or justified.  This thread is about the game and what it expressly forces retards like you to "IMAGINE" the answers to.

I don't think this could be any more clear so why not go bump "your" thread since it's obviously superior and stop attacking this one with off topic mental diarrea.

Attack him and not his statement, way to sidestep the issue buddy.

Why attack his ideas?  They aren't mine so what purpose does attacking them serve?  However his character is in question as are his motives and that is the focus of the gentle manipulation.  (better way of saying attack the stupid fellah)

This thread was never about right and wrong or who's got good ideas.  It's about the game making sense verses players making sense of the game.  I know challenging concept but let's try and stay on topic.

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[ZennExile]

StingerSplash01 wrote...

Mental Diarrhea? I unintentionally stabbed you once with one word and you come back with 900?
I don't make this **** up the information can easily be found if you look, however I have never shoved anything down people throats as you state I put the information out there make of it what you will, but not allowing conflicting views in a discussion is wrong, and by the looks of it the only person here standing on a soapbox is you.

Stab me once without killing me and expect me to stab you back until you die.  /fin

Also you stabbed other people's "IDEAS" in the thread too with yer "superiority complex".  That is unnacceptable.  You are in no position to judge people's ideas.  There is never a reason to try to invalidate someone else's "IDEAS" by injecting yer own stupidity.

Therefor you get no smiley five.

Modifié par ZennExile, 20 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[Aaren J]

unda647 wrote...

This is by far the most entertaining thread on the forums

Yep. pass the popcorn please.

[ZennExile]

Luc0s wrote...

You're obviously trolling or you have some clear temper tantrum issues. You're just trying to hard ot make this look convincing man. Critical Mission Failure, press A to resume.

Wait wait wait, you attack me based on assumptions you made without context or even attempting to validate your imagination with something substantial, yet somehow I threw the temper tantrum, and I'm trolling?

Cool story bro...(this is trolling)
You're obviously trolling (this is trolling)

Can you map out for me how you went from retarded to the genocide of rational thought based on me suggesting what yer doing is trolling and you seem to be making assumptions about "my ideas" which have nothing to do with you?

[Ashkeldir]

StingerSplash01 wrote...

The thing about reserve ammo in games is that this is the norm, all shooters do this without explaining it, the first reason is that gamers would be pissed if they accidentally push the reload button and they lose half of their ammo supply because of it, the second reason it that the reserve ammo is the only variable there sometimes, the game makes the clip a temporary variable, but doesn't actually change the variable for your total ammo until you reload, at which point it takes the clip count off your reserve count.

Like I said, some people choose to accept the garbage we are being fed, regardless of how little sense it makes, and regardless of how little the process was thought through in the first place.

I know they did what they did because they would have ticked off a lot of people if ejecting a clip reduced your 'ammo' count by the amount dictated by the remaining capacity of the clip - hell, it's just a game - but at least put in a little effort to find a different way to explain it if you are going to claim that you're forced to use a game mechanic because it's 'the norm'... 

All shooters do it, even though it makes sense because we already know how many bullets fit in a standard clip, if we've read the weapon description - they do it in spite of the reality, not because of it.  I own half a dozen firearms, I know how many rounds go into each clip, etc - but for the sake of the game, fine, create a game mechanic that changes how ammo is handled - but if you're going to do that, come up with something more intelligent than a thermal clip that everyone in the galaxy has suddenly adopted as the de facto standard, and that doesn't even make sense in a gaming sense, because the 'reload' was only created the way it was done because other shooters do it...

Modifié par Ashkeldir, 20 février 2010 - 01:11 .

[StingerSplash01]

You say this about and i quote "The game making sense vs players making sense of the game", Your OP attacks the choice of content made the developers on their on lore, and not even come close to talking about the choice between the game and player, RPGs like this build on their lore, and as the player in order to understand something that isn't hardset reality, is to make sense of it and once you do the game becomes clear, you have not once stepped into this topic, you instead attack the game mechanics.



I conclude on this, for the Mako did it make sense that its rocket jumped you the same height regardless of the local gravity of the astrological body you were on, Luna apparently had the same gravity as a planet 5 times the size of earth.

[ZennExile]

Luc0s wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

You're obviously trolling or you have some clear temper tantrum issues. You're just trying to hard ot make this look convincing man. Critical Mission Failure, press A to resume.

Wait wait wait, you attack me based on assumptions you made without context or even attempting to validate your imagination with something substantial, yet somehow I threw the temper tantrum, and I'm trolling?

Cool story bro...(this is trolling)
You're obviously trolling (this is trolling)

Can you map out for me how you went from retarded to the genocide of rational thought based on me suggesting what yer doing is trolling and you seem to be making assumptions about "my ideas" which have nothing to do with you?

Do you even know what trolling is?
Rational thought, rational thought? Don't make me laugh man. Your OP is FAR from rational. It's an emotional piece of garbage (and yes, that is MY OPINION).

I'm saying you have a tantrum because you're way beyond exaggerating in your OP. You either have a tantrum, or you where trolling, or you are trying to be funny (Zero Punctuation ripoff). In the last two cases, you fail miserably.

And yes, your ideas do have something to do with me. You post your exaggerated ideas on a public forum for me to read. You can expect that people react on your topic, it's a forum. Heck, I bet my 2 cents that you actually created this topic in the hope people would react to it so you can start making fun of them (you said so in your OP). That's what we call flamebait and flamebait is trolling.

Oh I see you didn't assume I was trolling you just picked 5 things you think I could have been doing and went eeny meany minee moe?  Truly rational.  I commend you.

Really though.  Yer just making assumptions and using them to justify trolling but since you demonize trolling you have to also convince yourself that you are not the troll by projecting that behavior on the people around you.  This is PSYCH 101 stuff bro.

You should take a PSYCH class it will help you identify with yourself and you'll probably even lose the desire to project your shortcoming on other people.

Know thy self.  Cause no one else gives a flyin **** on a rollin donut about ya.

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