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StingerSplash01 wrote...
you have not once stepped into this topic, you instead attack the game mechanics.
StingerSplash01 wrote...
You say this about and i quote "The game making sense vs players making sense of the game", Your OP attacks the choice of content made the developers on their on lore, and not even come close to talking about the choice between the game and player, RPGs like this build on their lore, and as the player in order to understand something that isn't hardset reality, is to make sense of it and once you do the game becomes clear, you have not once stepped into this topic, you instead attack the game mechanics.
I conclude on this, for the Mako did it make sense that its rocket jumped you the same height regardless of the local gravity of the astrological body you were on, Luna apparently had the same gravity as a planet 5 times the size of earth.
StingerSplash01 wrote...
I'm going based on the contextual content of his posts, he has only said fu to anyone who doesn't jump on his bandwagon and out of all his posts only his OP actually seems to be on topic for what he is going for.
Bio Addict wrote...
Unfunny OP is unfunny.
ZennExile wrote...
@Johannicus: You don't seem like a jerkoff trying to start flamewars for the sake of being a jerkoff so I'll bite.
The point of the thread isn't to say there is no way to justify these things but to suggest that without imagination there is no sense in these things. All the things listed here require the player to "imagine" the justification. In some cases like Ammo the concept is a complete contradiction.
It's not about right and wrong or good and bad. It's about sense and "making" sense. There is a big difference between having sense and making sense.
Much of ME2 requires the player to make sense of things. Sometimes this can be a powerful story telling technique but in this context it just seems overly lazy in many cases.
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Doesn't the story of the Quarians and Geth mirror Battelstar Galactica's Human Cylon story?
ZennExile wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
I'm going based on the contextual content of his posts, he has only said fu to anyone who doesn't jump on his bandwagon and out of all his posts only his OP actually seems to be on topic for what he is going for.
No my bandwagon is full already. I will kick anyone in the face who tries to sneak aboard just as quickly as anyone who wants to attack the ideas my bandwagon represents. That's the point. They are my ideas. I don't give a damn what you think about them because they are mine. You can't prove them wrong. You can't invalidate them with your mental diarrhea. You can accept them or not. You can even add yer own. But if you think you can attack them I'll show you the under side of my size 13 boots. Repeatedly.
That's the thing you don't get. But I understand the only reason you can't understand any of this is because you are subconciously driven to "be right" regardless of context or outcome your only goal is to be right. And this thread isn't about proving anyone right or wrong. It is about examining the elements of ME2 that don;t make their own sense without the player injecting imagination.
Is any of this sinking in?
Johannicus wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
@Johannicus: You don't seem like a jerkoff trying to start flamewars for the sake of being a jerkoff so I'll bite.
The point of the thread isn't to say there is no way to justify these things but to suggest that without imagination there is no sense in these things. All the things listed here require the player to "imagine" the justification. In some cases like Ammo the concept is a complete contradiction.
It's not about right and wrong or good and bad. It's about sense and "making" sense. There is a big difference between having sense and making sense.
Much of ME2 requires the player to make sense of things. Sometimes this can be a powerful story telling technique but in this context it just seems overly lazy in many cases.
No, I dont intend to flame. But face it, you are playing a RPG. Imagination is needed to be able to RP. I can as I think I stated in my post imagine a solution to most things if I think about it. Does it say in the codex what the correct reson is? Idk tbh, but im to busy enjoying the game to ponder what is correct. I play the game and I found my solutions to the changes and it made me enjoy the game anyway.
The ammo is a change I was a bit "WTF" about until I realised they probably went to the heatsink ammo kind because the soldiers of the races complained about needing to wait for the weapon to cool down.
Remember this: "Imagination is limited by yourself, reality is limited by others disbelief"
smiley five
Finally an opinion that isn't attempting to force itself on anyone reading it. And while it is true that many changes seem to have come about because of fan feedback they all had to be approved, written, and merged with the concept by Bioware.StingerSplash01 wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
I'm going based on the contextual content of his posts, he has only said fu to anyone who doesn't jump on his bandwagon and out of all his posts only his OP actually seems to be on topic for what he is going for.
No my bandwagon is full already. I will kick anyone in the face who tries to sneak aboard just as quickly as anyone who wants to attack the ideas my bandwagon represents. That's the point. They are my ideas. I don't give a damn what you think about them because they are mine. You can't prove them wrong. You can't invalidate them with your mental diarrhea. You can accept them or not. You can even add yer own. But if you think you can attack them I'll show you the under side of my size 13 boots. Repeatedly.
That's the thing you don't get. But I understand the only reason you can't understand any of this is because you are subconciously driven to "be right" regardless of context or outcome your only goal is to be right. And this thread isn't about proving anyone right or wrong. It is about examining the elements of ME2 that don;t make their own sense without the player injecting imagination.
Is any of this sinking in?
Well then, you have been pointing your finger in the wrong direction and most of the changes made in ME2 were fan feedback, and IMO Jacob's Mission is less racist and more an Absolute power corrupts Absolutely thing just putting it out there.
smiley five
ZennExile wrote...
Johannicus wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
@Johannicus: You don't seem like a jerkoff trying to start flamewars for the sake of being a jerkoff so I'll bite.
The point of the thread isn't to say there is no way to justify these things but to suggest that without imagination there is no sense in these things. All the things listed here require the player to "imagine" the justification. In some cases like Ammo the concept is a complete contradiction.
It's not about right and wrong or good and bad. It's about sense and "making" sense. There is a big difference between having sense and making sense.
Much of ME2 requires the player to make sense of things. Sometimes this can be a powerful story telling technique but in this context it just seems overly lazy in many cases.
No, I dont intend to flame. But face it, you are playing a RPG. Imagination is needed to be able to RP. I can as I think I stated in my post imagine a solution to most things if I think about it. Does it say in the codex what the correct reson is? Idk tbh, but im to busy enjoying the game to ponder what is correct. I play the game and I found my solutions to the changes and it made me enjoy the game anyway.
The ammo is a change I was a bit "WTF" about until I realised they probably went to the heatsink ammo kind because the soldiers of the races complained about needing to wait for the weapon to cool down.
Remember this: "Imagination is limited by yourself, reality is limited by others disbelief"
See that "WTF" moment is exactly the point. This is a list of things that make you go... "WTF"... That's a great way of putting it.
Modifié par StingerSplash01, 20 février 2010 - 02:11 .
Johannicus wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
Johannicus wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
@Johannicus: You don't seem like a jerkoff trying to start flamewars for the sake of being a jerkoff so I'll bite.
The point of the thread isn't to say there is no way to justify these things but to suggest that without imagination there is no sense in these things. All the things listed here require the player to "imagine" the justification. In some cases like Ammo the concept is a complete contradiction.
It's not about right and wrong or good and bad. It's about sense and "making" sense. There is a big difference between having sense and making sense.
Much of ME2 requires the player to make sense of things. Sometimes this can be a powerful story telling technique but in this context it just seems overly lazy in many cases.
No, I dont intend to flame. But face it, you are playing a RPG. Imagination is needed to be able to RP. I can as I think I stated in my post imagine a solution to most things if I think about it. Does it say in the codex what the correct reson is? Idk tbh, but im to busy enjoying the game to ponder what is correct. I play the game and I found my solutions to the changes and it made me enjoy the game anyway.
The ammo is a change I was a bit "WTF" about until I realised they probably went to the heatsink ammo kind because the soldiers of the races complained about needing to wait for the weapon to cool down.
Remember this: "Imagination is limited by yourself, reality is limited by others disbelief"
See that "WTF" moment is exactly the point. This is a list of things that make you go... "WTF"... That's a great way of putting it.
A tip for future posts, dont use bold letters, it is basicly the same as caps..ppl jump at you if they see caps:whistle:
shaneho78 wrote...
Wow since when did personal rant = comprehensive guide?
Modifié par ZennExile, 20 février 2010 - 02:19 .
Really that's all you got? Who's teachin the troll course now? Trolls used to have a bit of imagination...Koomaa wrote...
The poster of this thread receives a bonafied Destorm ****** Button
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Doesn't the story of the Quarians and Geth mirror Battelstar Galactica's Human Cylon story?
Guest_Luc0s_*
ZennExile wrote...
Oh I see you didn't assume I was trolling you just picked 5 things you think I could have been doing and went eeny meany minee moe? Truly rational. I commend you.Luc0s wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
Luc0s wrote...
You're obviously trolling or you have some clear temper tantrum issues. You're just trying to hard ot make this look convincing man. Critical Mission Failure, press A to resume.
Wait wait wait, you attack me based on assumptions you made without context or even attempting to validate your imagination with something substantial, yet somehow I threw the temper tantrum, and I'm trolling?
Cool story bro...(this is trolling)
You're obviously trolling (this is trolling)
Can you map out for me how you went from retarded to the genocide of rational thought based on me suggesting what yer doing is trolling and you seem to be making assumptions about "my ideas" which have nothing to do with you?
Do you even know what trolling is?
Rational thought, rational thought? Don't make me laugh man. Your OP is FAR from rational. It's an emotional piece of garbage (and yes, that is MY OPINION).
I'm saying you have a tantrum because you're way beyond exaggerating in your OP. You either have a tantrum, or you where trolling, or you are trying to be funny (Zero Punctuation ripoff). In the last two cases, you fail miserably.
And yes, your ideas do have something to do with me. You post your exaggerated ideas on a public forum for me to read. You can expect that people react on your topic, it's a forum. Heck, I bet my 2 cents that you actually created this topic in the hope people would react to it so you can start making fun of them (you said so in your OP). That's what we call flamebait and flamebait is trolling.
Really though. Yer just making assumptions and using them to justify trolling but since you demonize trolling you have to also convince yourself that you are not the troll by projecting that behavior on the people around you. This is PSYCH 101 stuff bro.
You should take a PSYCH class it will help you identify with yourself and you'll probably even lose the desire to project your shortcoming on other people.
Know thy self. Cause no one else gives a flyin **** on a rollin donut about ya.
Modifié par Luc0s, 20 février 2010 - 02:34 .
Ashkeldir wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Doesn't the story of the Quarians and Geth mirror Battelstar Galactica's Human Cylon story?
Very much so. Could be where Drew got the idea in the first place.
I
enjoyed it, start to finish, the characters were compelling, the visual
effects were top notch - there was nothing in the entire series that
made me think they went low budget - all the space stuff and special
effects were movie quality. Very impressive.
Modifié par StingerSplash01, 20 février 2010 - 02:33 .
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