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StingerSplash01 wrote...
:ph34r:
:wizard:
Two things at one (Smiley Army anyone? and Odd One Out)
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Weren't Garrus, Wrex and Tali essentially tag a longs in the first game and well and you didn't have technically have to recruit them, speaking of which need to mod a save to where wrex and garrus weren't recruited for changes in dialog hmm.
You were forced to have Tali I believe (because of Virmire, full party etc.)
Wrex and Garrus were optional. Also please clarify second sentence, I need to know how to answer it.
I was doing the equivalent of thinking out loud, I meant I want to mod a savegame file to not have those flags checked, so I can see how it affect their meetings in ME2.
I hear that Garrus's mission is unaffected. Which was poor planning on their part, but Garrus would already know Shepard so they have a loophole for that. Wrex I am uncertain, I'd be interested in this and I think I might have a save where I didn't recruit him, but I am uncertain of that.
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Weren't Garrus, Wrex and Tali essentially tag a longs in the first game and well and you didn't have technically have to recruit them, speaking of which need to mod a save to where wrex and garrus weren't recruited for changes in dialog hmm.
You were forced to have Tali I believe (because of Virmire, full party etc.)
Wrex and Garrus were optional. Also please clarify second sentence, I need to know how to answer it.
I was doing the equivalent of thinking out loud, I meant I want to mod a savegame file to not have those flags checked, so I can see how it affect their meetings in ME2.
I hear that Garrus's mission is unaffected. Which was poor planning on their part, but Garrus would already know Shepard so they have a loophole for that. Wrex I am uncertain, I'd be interested in this and I think I might have a save where I didn't recruit him, but I am uncertain of that.
Unless they made a loophole out of that, too i.s. Brother kills Wrex
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Ashkeldir wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
Greenhelm wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
Greenhelm wrote...
Compelling tale, chap.
Establish douchebaggery, /check.
Establish nerd rage, /check.
Reinforce douchebaggery with stupidity. /check
I've been trolling this thread since the beginning, about time we are about to establish a Quote Pyramid /check?
Established Quote Pyramid /check (had to move your /check !)
Damnit, move quote pyramid one to the right, /check
1) Council. Human or Alien.
There is nothing. Literally nothing. Sorry come back when we're dead
because we will never believe you no matter how many giant doomsday
creatures you drop on our heads. Oh and the intern who was supposed to
write our part of the story is out back getting high with the creative
director but neither one of them know that huffing gasoline actually
destroys the creative part of your brain it doesn't enhance it... OK
peace out and go **** yerself.
2) Dancing. W T F. If you are going
to keep the dancing crap at least teach Shepard to dance like he/she
used to and allow squadmates to dance like the first one... Why the
hell throw this mechanic in and do nothing with it. Complete waste of
development time and also worthy of pink slips in associated
departments.
Maybe this will be revealed. It is science fiction nonetheless.3) Dark Energy collapsing a star?
Really Captain?... Probing Uranus. "Hey guys let's throw in a midget
on a unicycle and set him on fire!!!" Yeah no sense. Poor little
fellah can't even reach the peddles.
Zaeed is just downloadable content. I do not expect he will play anymore of a role other than a cameo in Mass Effect 3. Why look so deeply into it? Nonetheless, mercenary who actually did co-found the Blue Suns is not out of touch in the Mass Effect Universe. I believe you mean that he is out of touch with agreeing to work with Cerberus. Which is I think, somewhat true.4) Zaeeed. Again really? Who
wrote this nonsense and better yet who the hell approved it. Zaeed
co-founded the Blue Suns? W T F. Really? That's how you tie him in?
I guess it's better than Thane or Samara just being birthed without any
ties to the relevant Story.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Thane is entirely consistent with the introduction of the Drell race. Is it a plausible concept for assassins or hitmen to exist in the Mass Effect universe? Yes. Is it possible that Shepard might run into him? Yes. Is it plausible that Cerberus might ask Shepard to employ him? Perhaps not.5) Thane. Awesome character. Has
no business in Mass Effect. Really none. The only thing tying him to
the story arc is the fact that you run into him. Telling a story is an
art form I know but even art has structure and a basis in logic...
Again, what?6) Samara... Really? A cougar you
can't nail combined with a story arc that detracts ENTIRELY from the
main arc is not an ARC. Just for future reference, If there is no
connecting plot elements it's a "NEW STORY"...
Yeah that was a bit stupid of him.7) The Warden tries to capture
Shepard? Really? Hey most badass human that ever lived, my douchebag
montage here is going to kick yer ass if you don't step peaceably into
that small box on the other side of the room. Even though you have the
backing of billions of credits and saved the whole galaxy... Really
Captain? Probing Uranus...
Why not? What is the huge harm? It is almost an in-game easter egg. Why do you not just complain about other Mass Effect 1 characters bought back?8) Conrad is back? Really? Why
would you bring back the most retarded character in the ME universe?
AND give him exclusive animations and dialogue? Because the intern
writers thought it would be hilarious to see what they could get
approved for final cut and someone at Bioware is blind def AND stupid
yet has the power to approve concepts? Least they drop his dumb ass in
a meat grinder. Still useless waste of production time.
I am just going to skip some of the other mildly disagreeable points you made and focus on this.15) Jacob's loyalty mission?
Really a black guy wants to go find his father? Like he ever knew him
in the first place... Yeah stereotype I know, and probably racist, but
if you reverse the stereotype it has the same effect. It's just as
stupid. Combine that with the reverse slavery references and look what
you get? More nonsense. But this time it's offensive to black people,
educated people, and anyone else who gives a crap about coherent story
elements. This was completely unnecessary, detracts from the overall
story AND it's offensive. Great job... You couldn't think up anything
better that "What if the black fellah wants to find his long lost dad,
oh and let's make the dad a slave owner." Seriously pay someone to
think **** through before you put it into your games. You used to do
this... W T F happened...?
Skavau wrote...
I am just going to skip some of the other mildly disagreeable points you made and focus on this.
You say that this topic is about all things without sense in Mass Effect 2 and how you have to inject your own imagination into it in order to make sense of it, and then you go and produce this obnoxious paragraph based on this. This is not the motive of the game developers (and you have no way to know what their motive is) - this is just your inept conclusion on what it was all about.
You are projecting the viewpoints of a character on the storywriter. Another poster in another thread made a truly fantastic post about this very topic. How some people are quite simply clueless, and simply believe an author of a book actually creates characters that are based on his own views. It would be like claiming that Bioware secretly endorses assasins because they spent a lot of time working on Thane. It would be like claiming that Bioware secretly support mass-murderers because of the creation of Morinth. It is absurd.
This is what you are doing with Jacob and Jacob's father. By proposing that stereotypes are valid (which you are doing here, in order to make this connection) you are claiming that Bioware are reinforcing it. You are viewing Jacob's life from the glasses of someone who has a specific concept of what a black person's life is. Why do you ignore also, by the way, the key point that the character in question disapproves of the actions of his father?
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Obadiah wrote...
I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...
Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...
Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into you.
Obadiah wrote...
Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...
Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into you.
Why are the reapers after Shep? For kicks? Because s/he's soooo awesome? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to to just sell his body to the collectors and ambush them with all the hardware you could buy with the money you spent resurrenting Shep instead? C'mon, it's dumb implausible lazy plot point.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...
Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into you.
Yes, the Collectors (and Reapers) are after Shepard which creates an opening that no one else had. A lot was spent on Shepard but not so much that it ceased to be the "safe" route to take in order to obtain the bse.
Shepard is the only one that could have gotten the loyalty of his squad and led them in to a "suicide mission".Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...
Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into you.
Yes, the Collectors (and Reapers) are after Shepard which creates an opening that no one else had. A lot was spent on Shepard but not so much that it ceased to be the "safe" route to take in order to obtain the bse.
Ashkeldir wrote...
StingerSplash01 wrote...
Two things at one (Smiley Army anyone? and Odd One Out)
The white one is a Cylon!
I never actually said that you said that. You misread my post and that is all your response is?ZennExile wrote...
I said what? I believe I said Jacob's Loyalty mission made no damn sense "AND" it was offensve, not that it made no sense because it was offensive.
Grow upGawdamn standardized testing teaches kids to skim for keywords and context ends up being an elective... Hurray educational failure.
Err... 2/3 of the way through the trilogy. You didn't expect them to solve every plot point and leave nothing for the third act did you? Much of ME2 was foreshadowing what will happen in the third story. That's not lazy.Obadiah wrote...
Why are the reapers after Shep? For kicks? Because s/he's soooo awesome? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to to just sell his body to the collectors and ambush them with all the hardware you could buy with the money you spent resurrenting Shep instead? C'mon, it's dumb implausible lazy plot point.
Obadiah wrote...
Why are the reapers after Shep? For kicks? Because s/he's soooo awesome? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to to just sell his body to the collectors and ambush them with all the hardware you could buy with the money you spent resurrenting Shep instead? C'mon, it's dumb implausible lazy plot point.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...
Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into you.
Yes, the Collectors (and Reapers) are after Shepard which creates an opening that no one else had. A lot was spent on Shepard but not so much that it ceased to be the "safe" route to take in order to obtain the bse.
And do you really believe this crap or is it funny to you to force people to read your excessive ranting about nothing? Nobody cares about your imagination here. You didn't create a billion dollar IP. Why do you insist on injecting everything with your theories and imagination when clearly your opinions are not well considered or based on logic and reason?SurfaceBeneath wrote...
Shepard is the only one that could have gotten the loyalty of his squad and led them in to a "suicide mission".
Also, the plot has progressed significantly in the second game from a personal standpoint, as Shepard matured as a leader and learned that when it comes to fighting the Reapers, he could not just rely on those whom he had learned to trust in the past including the Citadel and Alliance forces. Instead, his greatest ally might also be his greatest enemy and someone he may be dramatically opposed to in any other circumstance.
ME2 does not move forward the Reaper plot in an outward linear fashion... but don't mistake that as no plot progression.
A valid point, but they did such a good job with the first story that this just screams, "dumb!" I am wikipedia-ing the plot of ME3 after it's released BEFORE I decide to purchase it.SurfaceBeneath wrote...
Err... 2/3 of the way through the trilogy. You didn't expect them to solve every plot point and leave nothing for the third act did you? Much of ME2 was foreshadowing what will happen in the third story. That's not lazy.Obadiah wrote...
Why are the reapers after Shep? For kicks? Because s/he's soooo awesome? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to to just sell his body to the collectors and ambush them with all the hardware you could buy with the money you spent resurrenting Shep instead? C'mon, it's dumb implausible lazy plot point.
Skavau wrote...
I never actually said that you said that. You misread my post and that is all your response is?ZennExile wrote...
I said what? I believe I said Jacob's Loyalty mission made no damn sense "AND" it was offensve, not that it made no sense because it was offensive.
I was commenting on your general claim that Bioware were buying into and endorsing racial stereotypes with Jacob's mission. They not only probably were not, but you have no way of knowing what their agenda or objectives with it could ever be.Grow upGawdamn standardized testing teaches kids to skim for keywords and context ends up being an elective... Hurray educational failure.
Can we have a break from you trying to force your perspective down the throats of every person who tries to post something you don't agree with? Like 5 minutes maybe? Yer annoying. And nothing you say makes any sense to anyone but you.
SurfaceBeneath wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Ashkeldir wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
Greenhelm wrote...
ZennExile wrote...
Greenhelm wrote...
Compelling tale, chap.
Establish douchebaggery, /check.
Establish nerd rage, /check.
Reinforce douchebaggery with stupidity. /check
I've been trolling this thread since the beginning, about time we are about to establish a Quote Pyramid /check?
Established Quote Pyramid /check (had to move your /check !)
Damnit, move quote pyramid one to the right, /check
Posting in quote pyramid thread.
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