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[Gar_Logan]

ZennExile wrote...
And do you really believe this crap or is it funny to you to force people to read your excessive ranting about nothing?  Nobody cares about your imagination here.  You didn't create a billion dollar IP.  Why do you insist on injecting everything with your theories and imagination when clearly your opinions are not well considered or based on logic and reason?

Can we have a break from you trying to force your perspective down the throats of every person who tries to post something you don't agree with?  Like 5 minutes maybe?  Yer annoying.  And nothing you say makes any sense to anyone but you.

I'm guessing you have no idea what irony means. Or hypocrite.

[SurfaceBeneath]

ZennExile wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Shepard is the only one that could have gotten the loyalty of his squad and led them in to a "suicide mission".

Also, the plot has progressed significantly in the second game from a personal standpoint, as Shepard matured as a leader and learned that when it comes to fighting the Reapers, he could not just rely on those whom he had learned to trust in the past including the Citadel and Alliance forces. Instead, his greatest ally might also be his greatest enemy and someone he may be dramatically opposed to in any other circumstance.

ME2 does not move forward the Reaper plot in an outward linear fashion... but don't mistake that as no plot progression.

And do you really believe this crap or is it funny to you to force people to read your excessive ranting about nothing?  Nobody cares about your imagination here.  You didn't create a billion dollar IP.  Why do you insist on injecting everything with your theories and imagination when clearly your opinions are not well considered or based on logic and reason?

Can we have a break from you trying to force your perspective down the throats of every person who tries to post something you don't agree with?  Like 5 minutes maybe?  Yer annoying.  And nothing you say makes any sense to anyone but you.

>Implying you don't have a badly written term paper for a first post that isn't you trying to force your views down other people's throats and purposely incite nerdrage

[Skavau]

ZennExile wrote...

You know when you try to justify yer opinions it just makes them look weak and meaningless.  Better to just develop them with merit instead of making random crap up based on this grand fantasy your reality seems to come from...

I take then you have no response to my original post to you. All you have is pointless rhetorical devices and some pointless claim that I am making 'random crap up' (with no evidence) based in some 'grand fantasy' (I am by the way, responding to things you originally said).

[stormhit]

ZennExile wrote...

Skavau wrote...

I am just going to skip some of the other mildly disagreeable points you made and focus on this.

You say that this topic is about all things without sense in Mass Effect 2 and how you have to inject your own imagination into it in order to make sense of it, and then you go and produce this obnoxious paragraph based on this. This is not the motive of the game developers (and you have no way to know what their motive is) - this is just your inept conclusion on what it was all about.

You are projecting the viewpoints of a character on the storywriter. Another poster in another thread made a truly fantastic post about this very topic. How some people are quite simply clueless, and simply believe an author of a book actually creates characters that are based on his own views. It would be like claiming that Bioware secretly endorses assasins because they spent a lot of time working on Thane. It would be like claiming that Bioware secretly support mass-murderers because of the creation of Morinth. It is absurd.

This is what you are doing with Jacob and Jacob's father. By proposing that stereotypes are valid (which you are doing here, in order to make this connection) you are claiming that Bioware are reinforcing it. You are viewing Jacob's life from the glasses of someone who has a specific concept of what a black person's life is. Why do you ignore also, by the way, the key point that the character in question disapproves of the actions of his father?

I said what?  I believe I said Jacob's Loyalty mission made no damn sense "AND" it was offensve, not that it made no sense because it was offensive.

Gawdamn standardized testing teaches kids to skim for keywords and context ends up being an elective...  Hurray educational failure.

Way to totally miss his point.  His point-- since you yourself obviously can't deal with context-- is that while your post is ostensibly about things that make no sense hence leaving you to have to inject your imagination to make sense of them, in this particular case you are using your imagination to inject an opinion that is contrary to what is being explicitly told to you on-screen.

Also, no one over the age of 16 talks about standardized testing as much as you do.  Your fail is showing.

[stormhit]

ZennExile wrote...

That's is all mute because killing Shepard didn't make any damn sense either. Woulda made far more sense to actuall space him and have a 3rd party pick him up in space. You don't re-enter an atmosphere and have ANYTHING left to reconstruct. Every aspect of the story in this game just seems like a bunch of retards stood around a white board saying "you know what would be neat".

The word is moot.  Silly kids and their standardized testing.

[ZennExile]

Skavau wrote...

Can we have a break from you trying to force your perspective down the throats of every person who tries to post something you don't agree with? Like 5 minutes maybe? Yer annoying. And nothing you say makes any sense to anyone but you.

Do you understand the concept of a forum? You make a thread and people are entitled to come into your thread and respond to any claims you make, answer any questions you ask and and indeed they are also entitled to voice their own perspective on the topic in hand.

If merely responding to disagreeable ideas, answering specific questions and stating your own position is being forceful then by all means what the hell is free-speech according to you? Your attempts though at censoring are however, noted.

Do you understand the difference between having an opinion and trying to force it down someone else's throat?  No apparently not as you attempt to force your view of how forums work on me like somehow your way is the only way things could possibly be.....

[ZennExile]

stormhit13 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

That's is all mute because killing Shepard didn't make any damn sense either. Woulda made far more sense to actuall space him and have a 3rd party pick him up in space. You don't re-enter an atmosphere and have ANYTHING left to reconstruct. Every aspect of the story in this game just seems like a bunch of retards stood around a white board saying "you know what would be neat".

The word is moot.  Silly kids and their standardized testing.

Screw you pal spelling isn't a requirement in school no moar.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Obadiah wrote...
A valid point, but they did such a good job with the first story that this just screams, "dumb!" I am wikipedia-ing the plot of ME3 after it's released BEFORE I decide to purchase it.

The first act of any story is almost always a more self contained tale than the second two. Take Star Wars for example. A New Hope pretty much addresses all plot points brought up within itself. Empire Strikes Back leaves a ton of plot points unaddressed and ends on a complete low point in preparation for the last movie to tie it all together.

Cerberus' reasons for ressurected Shepard (perfectly I might add... why not include a control chip?) was not left explained because it's obvious that Cerberus is going to still play a major part in the third game and some part of that is going to be absolutely critical in stopping the Reapers (likely).

[Onyx Jaguar]

ZennExile wrote...

stormhit13 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

That's is all mute because killing Shepard didn't make any damn sense either. Woulda made far more sense to actuall space him and have a 3rd party pick him up in space. You don't re-enter an atmosphere and have ANYTHING left to reconstruct. Every aspect of the story in this game just seems like a bunch of retards stood around a white board saying "you know what would be neat".

The word is moot.  Silly kids and their standardized testing.

Screw you pal spelling isn't a requirement in school no moar.

Yes?...
....No?

How can I read if I dun know what symbols mean.

I just write what they tell me to write!

[ZennExile]

Gar_Logan wrote...

ZennExile wrote...
And do you really believe this crap or is it funny to you to force people to read your excessive ranting about nothing?  Nobody cares about your imagination here.  You didn't create a billion dollar IP.  Why do you insist on injecting everything with your theories and imagination when clearly your opinions are not well considered or based on logic and reason?

Can we have a break from you trying to force your perspective down the throats of every person who tries to post something you don't agree with?  Like 5 minutes maybe?  Yer annoying.  And nothing you say makes any sense to anyone but you.

I'm guessing you have no idea what irony means. Or hypocrite.

Least I nailed context.  That's one step bettah dan joo.

[Malysoun]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004

The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...

Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into  you.

Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?

Yes, the Collectors (and Reapers) are after Shepard which creates an opening that no one else had.  A lot was spent on Shepard but not so much that it ceased to be the "safe" route to take in order to obtain the bse.

Why are the reapers after Shep? For kicks? Because s/he's soooo awesome? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to to just sell his body to the collectors and ambush them with all the hardware you could buy with the money you spent resurrenting Shep instead? C'mon, it's dumb implausible lazy plot point.

The cost of resurrecting Shep was nothing compared to the cost of the Original Normandy.  The newer Normandy's costs are not well defined as it apparently was built over a long period of time and isn't a stealth ship like the first one.  The whole training an army thing for rebuilding Shepard was a plot hole.

The Reapers seem obsessed with Shepard purely for revenge, as they needed the Citadel relay in order to jump back into the Milky Way.  Without it they suffer the chance of failing in their objectives thus making them obsessed with the one who was primarily the reason for their failure.  And it is quite clear that Harbinger is obsessed with Shepard, hell even Legion seems obsessed with Shepard.

Actually, the new Normandy IS a stealth ship. Legion refers to needing the ship's stealth for his loyalty mission, during which Joker says, "You realize it's just our heat emissions that are hidden right? They could just look out a window and see us." To which Legion replies, "Windows are a structural weakness, geth do not use them."

The original tantalus drive core was to allow the ship to move by falling into mass effect wakes, and cost 3 times as much as it did to bring Shep back (12 Billion credits), the new ship needed an even larger core since it's a bigger ship.

[Obadiah]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The cost of resurrecting Shep was nothing compared to the cost of the Original Normandy.  The newer Normandy's costs are not well defined as it apparently was built over a long period of time and isn't a stealth ship like the first one.  The whole training an army thing for rebuilding Shepard was a plot hole.

The Reapers seem obsessed with Shepard purely for revenge, as they needed the Citadel relay in order to jump back into the Milky Way.  Without it they suffer the chance of failing in their objectives thus making them obsessed with the one who was primarily the reason for their failure.  And it is quite clear that Harbinger is obsessed with Shepard, hell even Legion seems obsessed with Shepard.

We've played ME2 so we know how it turns out. But just consider that plan, and trying to convince anyone that it is sane. Hey, the Collectors, who might be kidnapping thousands of colonists that no one (not even our own government) cares about, are interested in this dead spectre that defeated a reaper. Should we:
a) use his body to lay a trap for them
 spend two years trying to resurrect him (which has NEVER been done before), rebuild his spaceship, recruit his old crew (or at least two of them), and have him lead a kick-ass squad through this unmapped Mass Relay to find out what their game is.

[Skavau]

ZennExile wrote...
Do you understand the difference between having an opinion and trying to force it down someone else's throat?

Yes I do. To force your opinion down someone's throat would have to take the form of doing it through violence towards others, harassment (virtual or in real life), intimidation towards others or through some form of persistent coercian. Or all four. None of what anyone on this thread is doing is forceful, they are optional. You do not have to be here. You can click the 'x' button in the top corner of your internet browser, or in your tab and you do not have to see any of these opinions again.

It cannot be because of this 'forceful' in anyway mostly because it is impossible for it to happen on an internet forum.

No apparently not as you attempt to force your view of how forums work on me like somehow your way is the only way things could possibly be.....

I am sorry, do you know of another way that internet forums work? Generally speaking, internet forums are set up in the following way to include specific categories where discussion threads can be created. Some of them only have one category. Nonetheless it is a moot point. On this forum you can state your opinion on whoever's thread you like. You do not have the right to tell people that they cannot do so even if you created the thread. You are not an administrator. If you do not like some of the answers you get, or the persistency of some posters to explain their position to you then I suggest you close down the forums and operate your own personal forum where you censor people you deem to 'forceful'.

Otherwise, deal with it.

[ZennExile]

stormhit13 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skavau wrote...

I am just going to skip some of the other mildly disagreeable points you made and focus on this.

You say that this topic is about all things without sense in Mass Effect 2 and how you have to inject your own imagination into it in order to make sense of it, and then you go and produce this obnoxious paragraph based on this. This is not the motive of the game developers (and you have no way to know what their motive is) - this is just your inept conclusion on what it was all about.

You are projecting the viewpoints of a character on the storywriter. Another poster in another thread made a truly fantastic post about this very topic. How some people are quite simply clueless, and simply believe an author of a book actually creates characters that are based on his own views. It would be like claiming that Bioware secretly endorses assasins because they spent a lot of time working on Thane. It would be like claiming that Bioware secretly support mass-murderers because of the creation of Morinth. It is absurd.

This is what you are doing with Jacob and Jacob's father. By proposing that stereotypes are valid (which you are doing here, in order to make this connection) you are claiming that Bioware are reinforcing it. You are viewing Jacob's life from the glasses of someone who has a specific concept of what a black person's life is. Why do you ignore also, by the way, the key point that the character in question disapproves of the actions of his father?

I said what?  I believe I said Jacob's Loyalty mission made no damn sense "AND" it was offensve, not that it made no sense because it was offensive.

Gawdamn standardized testing teaches kids to skim for keywords and context ends up being an elective...  Hurray educational failure.

Way to totally miss his point.  His point-- since you yourself obviously can't deal with context-- is that while your post is ostensibly about things that make no sense hence leaving you to have to inject your imagination to make sense of them, in this particular case you are using your imagination to inject an opinion that is contrary to what is being explicitly told to you on-screen.

Also, no one over the age of 16 talks about standardized testing as much as you do.  Your fail is showing.

I didn't miss his point.  His point missed me, flew out the window, smashed into a million peaces on the street below, and was snorted up by an over zealous crackhead.

Responding to a point that's based on crap cannon logic is useless.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Malysoun wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I'll paraphrase the basic problem with the ME2 plot from an article I read today.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004

The storyline kills you in the beginning only to put you in almost the exact same position you were in at the end of ME1, then the game is fun for a while, then is ends without advancing the reaper plot in any sane/coherent way. And, oh yeah, now everything thinks you so super heroic they will spend billions to resurrect you. Come on...

Its clear that the whole purpose of resureccting you was to get the Collector base which was far more valuable than the resources put into  you.

Think about it. Do you really think Shep is the only person that could have done that? Think of any real world hero. As great as they are, is not no one that could conceivably replace them?

Yes, the Collectors (and Reapers) are after Shepard which creates an opening that no one else had.  A lot was spent on Shepard but not so much that it ceased to be the "safe" route to take in order to obtain the bse.

Why are the reapers after Shep? For kicks? Because s/he's soooo awesome? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to to just sell his body to the collectors and ambush them with all the hardware you could buy with the money you spent resurrenting Shep instead? C'mon, it's dumb implausible lazy plot point.

The cost of resurrecting Shep was nothing compared to the cost of the Original Normandy.  The newer Normandy's costs are not well defined as it apparently was built over a long period of time and isn't a stealth ship like the first one.  The whole training an army thing for rebuilding Shepard was a plot hole.

The Reapers seem obsessed with Shepard purely for revenge, as they needed the Citadel relay in order to jump back into the Milky Way.  Without it they suffer the chance of failing in their objectives thus making them obsessed with the one who was primarily the reason for their failure.  And it is quite clear that Harbinger is obsessed with Shepard, hell even Legion seems obsessed with Shepard.

Actually, the new Normandy IS a stealth ship. Legion refers to needing the ship's stealth for his loyalty mission, during which Joker says, "You realize it's just our heat emissions that are hidden right? They could just look out a window and see us." To which Legion replies, "Windows are a structural weakness, geth do not use them."

The original tantalus drive core was to allow the ship to move by falling into mass effect wakes, and cost 3 times as much as it did to bring Shep back (12 Billion credits), the new ship needed an even larger core since it's a bigger ship.

I was under the impression that it wasn't as much of a stealth ship, but I can see where you are coming from.  Another thing that is to be considered is that the original Normandy most likely had much of its costs stuck in prototypes and tests while Cerberus took those blueprints and modified em to be more of a warship, and because it was done over time I assume the costs were much less than the costs in making the original Normandy.

[ZennExile]

Skavau wrote...

Otherwise, deal with it.

And you make my point for me with a single phrase.  Bravo.

 smiley five

[Harcken]

This made my day, laughter is always great.

[Skavau]

I am going to now conclude that ZennExile is indeed trolling. He is lacing all of his responses with meaningless rhetoric and bizarre word usage indicating he is trying to be funny. He is also evading answering all actual responses to any claims he has made and instead is substituting actual content for barely subtle personal attacks or flippant remarks. These are all blatant indicators of someone who is here just here to get attention (the purpose of a troll).

[Skavau]

ZennExile wrote...
And you make my point for me with a single phrase.  Bravo.

And what point would that be?

[ZennExile]

Harcken wrote...

This made my day, laughter is always great.

Successful lulz are successful?

[SurfaceBeneath]

Skavau wrote...

I am going to now conclude that ZennExile is indeed trolling.

No, really?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Obadiah wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The cost of resurrecting Shep was nothing compared to the cost of the Original Normandy.  The newer Normandy's costs are not well defined as it apparently was built over a long period of time and isn't a stealth ship like the first one.  The whole training an army thing for rebuilding Shepard was a plot hole.

The Reapers seem obsessed with Shepard purely for revenge, as they needed the Citadel relay in order to jump back into the Milky Way.  Without it they suffer the chance of failing in their objectives thus making them obsessed with the one who was primarily the reason for their failure.  And it is quite clear that Harbinger is obsessed with Shepard, hell even Legion seems obsessed with Shepard.

We've played ME2 so we know how it turns out. But just consider that plan, and trying to convince anyone that it is sane. Hey, the Collectors, who might be kidnapping thousands of colonists that no one (not even our own government) cares about, are interested in this dead spectre that defeated a reaper. Should we:
a) use his body to lay a trap for them
 spend two years trying to resurrect him (which has NEVER been done before), rebuild his spaceship, recruit his old crew (or at least two of them), and have him lead a kick-ass squad through this unmapped Mass Relay to find out what their game is.

Other than we don't really know if has been done in this universe I'd mostly agree with you. 

[ZennExile]

Skavau wrote...

ZennExile wrote...
And you make my point for me with a single phrase.  Bravo.

And what point would that be?

Oh NOW, after putting all that effort into injecting yer own imagination into everything I wrote in order to demonize it and invalidate any hidden value contained within, NOW you want to ask what I meant when I said something.

You're the one that seems to know everything.  How about you figure it out. 

[Skavau]

ZennExile wrote...
Oh NOW, after putting all that effort into injecting yer own imagination into everything I wrote in order to demonize it and invalidate any hidden value contained within, NOW you want to ask what I meant when I said something.

I've actually asked you several questions in my posts to you. You have not bothered to answer any of them.

Nevermind my opinion of you. What was your point?

[ZennExile]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Skavau wrote...

I am going to now conclude that ZennExile is indeed trolling.

No, really?

Sup pot how's the little kettle doin.  Not ugly as you are I hope.