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#576
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wako58 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

wako58 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

>My face seeing people seriously respond to ZennExile

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You not liking his posts doesn't mean that he hasn't raised some legitimate issues.  If you bothered to look you would have noticied that I posted similar issues on other threads before this one.  I already expressed my opinion about how he originally posted his concerns but that doesn't mean that I just blatantly ignore everything he said....nice photobucket photo by the way.


>Implying ZennExile is trying to make points and not just incite rage/troll

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douchebag much??


I'm sorry, but this calls for another quote pyramid.

Also I didn't really put much thought into Jacob's mission anytime I did it, just never occurred to me. 



Well, I'm happy for you.  Thanks for the enlightenment.  Since you're not the only one who played the game....your opinion and mine... equal diddly effin' squat.  But you don't have a right to tell me what my opinion should be just like I don't have the right to tell you.  I do have the right on these boards..however, to express that opinion  and I will do so when I damn well please.  Thanks for your assistance..have a nice day.




















Thank you for adding to our new and improved quote pyramid! With unneccessary spacing!!

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ZennExile wrote...

Fayerielle wrote...

Honestly, Zenn.. you did raise some valid points. But couldn't you at least be RESPECTFUL about the "issue"? Flaming BioWare (including certain people) and the game as a whole was unnecessary. Be grateful that a company like this developed one of the few engaging and rewarding RPG's in the gaming industry. If you were very much dissatisfied then just don't bother playing the game. I'm sure you'll find other games which you claim to have "coherent story elements". Post number 15 was pushing it a little. You have absolutely no shame. Learn how to respect others.

But if I didn't, I wouldn't have had the pleasure of reading this well thought out and poinient critique of my methods?

Shame is the safety net of the unimaginative.  - I ferget but someone hilarious and a genius


Why thank you. I'm glad you took the time to read my reply.
Now carry on with trolling the trolls that troll you :)

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wako58 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

wako58 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

>My face seeing people seriously respond to ZennExile

Image IPB



You not liking his posts doesn't mean that he hasn't raised some legitimate issues.  If you bothered to look you would have noticied that I posted similar issues on other threads before this one.  I already expressed my opinion about how he originally posted his concerns but that doesn't mean that I just blatantly ignore everything he said....nice photobucket photo by the way.


>Implying ZennExile is trying to make points and not just incite rage/troll

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douchebag much??


I'm sorry, but this calls for another quote pyramid.

Also I didn't really put much thought into Jacob's mission anytime I did it, just never occurred to me. 



Well, I'm happy for you.  Thanks for the enlightenment.  Since you're not the only one who played the game....your opinion and mine... equal diddly effin' squat.  But you don't have a right to tell me what my opinion should be just like I don't have the right to tell you.  I do have the right on these boards..however, to express that opinion  and I will do so when I damn well please.  Thanks for your assistance..have a nice day.


ok?

I need to check what I said.  Nope, do not get what I said in relation to what you said.  

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Hey to be fair, the spacing was screwed before I quoted it!

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Most of this list seems very forced, like you were struggling to come up with a certain amount of bullet point complaints that felt large enough to offend just about everyone who likes the game. The racial thing in particular is ludicrous and says more about you than it does Bioware.

Also, you can' t pretend that you're open to discussion or criticism when you state "Feel free to add your own or pathetically attempt to flame me" in the preface to your complaint list. In other words, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a pathetic troll.

Modifié par All Dead, 20 février 2010 - 06:28 .


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How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?

#582
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yuncas wrote...

How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?


Because 500 of those are him bumping his own thread.

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All Dead wrote...

Most of this list seems very forced, like you were struggling to come up with a certain amount of bullet point complaints that felt large enough to offend just about everyone who likes the game. The racial thing in particular is ludicrous and says more about you than it does Bioware.

Also, you can' t pretend that you're open to discussion or criticism when you state "Feel free to add your own or pathetically attempt to flame me" in the preface to your complaint list. In other words, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a pathetic troll.


^ this. <3

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Yeah, and none of you addressed the content of the post although that was some impressive photobucket work there. I see a bright future for you boys in the industry. Stay at it, you may make something of yourselves one day.

Modifié par wako58, 20 février 2010 - 06:32 .


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SurfaceBeneath wrote...

yuncas wrote...

How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?


Because 500 of those are him bumping his own thread.

Jealous much?

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No one finds this in any way funny? I'm laughing my ass off with this stuff.

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wako58 wrote...

Yeah, and none of you addressed the content of the post although that was some impressive photobucket work there. I see a bright future for you boys in the industry. Stay at it, you may make something of yourselves one day.



I have addressed the content of his posts previously in the thread, jesus if I did it every single time this thread would be at 30 pages!

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ZennExile wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

yuncas wrote...

How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?


Because 500 of those are him bumping his own thread.

Jealous much?



Not really. Everyone responding to this seems to be all pissy for no reason.

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ZennExile wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

yuncas wrote...

How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?


Because 500 of those are him bumping his own thread.

Jealous much?


Of not spending 16 hours a day  on the internet attempting to provoke hostility for lulz.

Not particularly, no.

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yuncas wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

yuncas wrote...

How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?


Because 500 of those are him bumping his own thread.

Jealous much?



Not really. Everyone responding to this seems to be all pissy for no reason.


And to be fair half of those other 80 are me turning crap into quote pyramids

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All Dead wrote...

Most of this list seems very forced, like you were struggling to come up with a certain amount of bullet point complaints that felt large enough to offend just about everyone who likes the game. The racial thing in particular is ludicrous and says more about you than it does Bioware.

Also, you can' t pretend that you're open to discussion or criticism when you state "Feel free to add your own or pathetically attempt to flame me" in the preface to your complaint list. In other words, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a pathetic troll.


It's a rough list off the top of my head +1 addition from my roomate (racist part) and +2 from another poster who acutally understood that "Feel free to add yer own" means "let's hear yours if you have them".

And how do you get "anyone who disagrees is a pathetic troll" out of "or pathetically attempt to FLAME me."  I'm very interested in know how you went from what I said to your assumption about what I meant.

Was it like:
Pathetic...
Puppy....
Poop....
Toilet...
Doggy...
Hungry...
Pizza...
Pathetic troll if you disagree with me?

#592
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SurfaceBeneath wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

yuncas wrote...

How in Christ's holy name did you get 580 replies in one day?


Because 500 of those are him bumping his own thread.

Jealous much?


Of not spending 16 hours a day  on the internet attempting to provoke hostility for lulz.

Not particularly, no.


Isn't that what you do though with all yer little picture trolling that requires explainations cause yer not very good at it?

#593
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yuncas wrote...

No one finds this in any way funny? I'm laughing my ass off with this stuff.

Tons of people find it funny but like 8 pages ago they picked up popcorn and started watching me tear a new hole in all the "speshul" people who don't seem to "get it".

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Yeah, and none of you addressed the content of the post although that was some impressive photobucket work there. I see a bright future for you boys in the industry. Stay at it, you may make something of yourselves one day.



I have addressed the content of his posts previously in the thread, jesus if I did it every single time this thread would be at 30 pages!


I was responding to the content of my post not the op.  I spoke on one issue and one issue only.  That you and surface, in your embracing egalitarian ways, could not possible comprehend as an issue for anyone esle because it wasn't an issue for you.  Instead of a taking a moment of retrospective thinking to look at things from someone else's perspective I get douchebag photobucket comments.  Then you only comment you choose to make is about the spacing in my posts.  Real mature response there

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Tom Cruise is bat **** crazy. And he approves of this thread.

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Pushing aside people's complaints about your delivery, propositions, and eloquence (or lack of any of these things) aside...



I completely agree with you on (nearly) all points. The fuel and the mining are of irrelevant. They are chores born from the inability of one or more designers to equate the word "immersion" with game mechanics that actually entertain. At any rate, they don't take much time at all.



Overall, ME2 is a great game. I was not disappointed with the combat, environments, or mission designs. The introduction of the Collectors and subsequent revelations that they were once Protheans? Very nice.



Now, to address the main issue.



Shepard, once a galactic hero and icon, has been turned into a part-time vigilante, given a grocery list of lunatics hire, and barred from making any progress whatsoever in the one, true goal of this entire trilogy... to stop the damn Reapers.



The majority of problems brought up in this thread boil down to one thing. The narrative elements and the plot integration in ME2 are absolute garbage.



I'm not talking about the new characters and their personal issues. Seriously, I don't care for them. Nothing could make me care for them. Why? Because, in the scope of ME's game world, their "loyalty" missions or personal vendettas, their background histories, the skills they employ in the Suicide Mission, their very existence, are of little to no consequence. Half of them could be dead by the end of the game, and no one would miss them. We could have saved a lot of time by just hiring mercenaries.



There are obvious exceptions, like Legion, Tali, Mordin, Miranda, and - to a lesser extent - Grunt. Their roles are significant enough to influence possible events in ME3. Everyone else (as I've said so many times before) is nothing more than cannon fodder.



"Character development"? "Character-driven"? These are phrases that have been used in ME2's defense. Throwing in a new character and making the player go through a "loyalty" *assignment* (calling it a "mission" would be an insult to the word) in order to increase their chance of survival in the final stage of the game is NOT character development. Furthermore, the main character's agenda was all but left out of ME2. Being that this is supposed to be, at least in part, a role-playing game and we happen to play the main character, there is very little that "character-driven" about ME2. In fact, what little participation we are given in being able to shape the ME2 game world is limited to making decisions for other characters, instead of for the one we actually play.



Anyways. Enough of my own ranting. It's good to see that many other people realize just how much is wrong with ME2's narrative (or lack thereof). The good writers all went on vacation, and whoever was left at BioWare seems to have plucked ideas from soap operas instead of sci-fi epics.

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wako58 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Yeah, and none of you addressed the content of the post although that was some impressive photobucket work there. I see a bright future for you boys in the industry. Stay at it, you may make something of yourselves one day.



I have addressed the content of his posts previously in the thread, jesus if I did it every single time this thread would be at 30 pages!


I was responding to the content of my post not the op.  I spoke on one issue and one issue only.  That you and surface, in your embracing egalitarian ways, could not possible comprehend as an issue for anyone esle because it wasn't an issue for you.  Instead of a taking a moment of retrospective thinking to look at things from someone else's perspective I get douchebag photobucket comments.  Then you only comment you choose to make is about the spacing in my posts.  Real mature response there


WHO AM I EXACTLY

EDIT:  it is obvious that quote pyramids confuse you

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 20 février 2010 - 06:42 .


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wako58 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Yeah, and none of you addressed the content of the post although that was some impressive photobucket work there. I see a bright future for you boys in the industry. Stay at it, you may make something of yourselves one day.



I have addressed the content of his posts previously in the thread, jesus if I did it every single time this thread would be at 30 pages!


I was responding to the content of my post not the op.  I spoke on one issue and one issue only.  That you and surface, in your embracing egalitarian ways, apparently could not possibly comprehend as an issue for anyone else because it wasn't an issue for you.  Instead of a taking a moment of retrospective thinking to look at things from someone else's perspective I get douchebag photobucket comments.  Then the only comment you choose to make is about the spacing in my posts.  Real mature response there



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Yes it is quite obvious that SurfaceBeneath and Onyx Jaguar are the same person, here to torment Wako!

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Yeah, and none of you addressed the content of the post although that was some impressive photobucket work there. I see a bright future for you boys in the industry. Stay at it, you may make something of yourselves one day.



I have addressed the content of his posts previously in the thread, jesus if I did it every single time this thread would be at 30 pages!


I was responding to the content of my post not the op.  I spoke on one issue and one issue only.  That you and surface, in your embracing egalitarian ways, could not possible comprehend as an issue for anyone esle because it wasn't an issue for you.  Instead of a taking a moment of retrospective thinking to look at things from someone else's perspective I get douchebag photobucket comments.  Then you only comment you choose to make is about the spacing in my posts.  Real mature response there


WHO AM I EXACTLY

EDIT:  it is obvious that quote pyramids confuse you



Sorry, you're not going to goad me into responding to that. I think you already know what my opinion of your posts are.  Since I've never met you I can't comment beyond that.