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[ZennExile]

IronVanguard wrote...

Don't feed the trolls.


Also, your tone does you no favors.

Being a douche doesn't do anyone any favors.  Either does trolling threads with pointless posts about feeding trolls.  Let's rain it in mister Potter.  It's time for your milk and a nap.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Oh snap, now this is where the thread gets fun.



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[ZennExile]

[JRM01]

KainrycKarr wrote...

By that logic half the terms used in the game would be "outdated"

Yes that is my point exactly!

Modifié par JRM01, 19 février 2010 - 01:59 .

[ZennExile]

Updated original post with liberal adlib based on JRM's observations.

[mabalogna]

ZennExile wrote...



4) Zaeeed.  Again really?  Who wrote this nonsense and better yet who the hell approved it.  Zaeed co-founded the Blue Suns?  W T F.  Really?  That's how you tie him in?  I guess it's better than Thane or Samara just being birthed without any ties to the relevant Story.

5) Thane.  Awesome character.  Has no business in Mass Effect.  Really none.  The only thing tying him to the story arc is the fact that you run into him.  Telling a story is an art form I know but even art has structure and a basis in logic...


11) Loyalty missions?  Really who came up with this crap.  You have to go on a mission to find the yellow cake dingdongs because if she doesn't get them she'll stab me in my sleep for cheating on her with the computer...  We get it.  One of the writers had a pregnant she demon at home and her constant emotional torture wreaked havoc on his creative processes, but who the hell approved it anyway?  Seriously give the guy paternity leave or something.  Don't encourage him by forcing all his nonsense down our throats... Loyalty missions without ties to greater story arc... /fail yer fired.  We won't be calling you.

12) Ammo?  Really?  Ok so in ME1 "we don't need ammo anymore and have fleshed out a complex and meaningful reason for this that ties together with Mass Effect".  In ME2 "We brought back ammo cause we know yall merricans like BIG GUNS WITH AMMO YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!".  Seriously dude who thought this was a good idea "**** YOU" another shining example of how turning something awesome into something stupid is always a single retarded idea away.   Fire this idiot immediately and put it on video we want proof.

4) Nothing about Zaeeds backstory is unbelievable. He's a merc who co-founded one of the largest merc groups in the Terminus system.  Seems to tie in well with how f'n awesome he really is.

5) TIM sends you a dossier on one of the best assassins in the galaxy who may be willing to assist Sheppard in taking down the alliance.  When you meet him you find out he is dying and is intrigued by the idea of dying for a good cause instead of by a disease.

11)  Because Side missions in the first ME game had a WHOLE lot of relevance to the main story. 
"Hi, go chase down this guy cause hes a threat to the galaxy....YOU MUST HURRY BEFORE HE FINDS THE ARTIFACT OF DOOM" 
"Oh hello planet with pirates on it...I'm here to disarm your nuclear bomb because it has nothing to do with the main story." 
Atleast the loyalty quests in ME2 actually related to the characters, and to the point, they did relate to the story in that, the NPC wanted to take care of unfinished business because they may or may not survive, and they'd really like to get some closure on stuff before they die.

12)  Because running through the end of the game with an Assault Rifle that never overheats is a lot of fun.  Seriously the ME1 combat system was really flawed, and the game designers tried to come up with a way of creating a more challenging combat experience, so they elected to introduce an ammo system, that would force a player to be more critical of where they shoot...how is that so wrong.  Sure it didn't make sense plot wise, but as a game mechanic it had to be done. 

[KainrycKarr]

JRM01 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

By that logic half the terms used in the game would be "outdated"

Yes that is my point exactly!

Except for the fact that we know that is not the case....things like football have been around for a loooooong time.

Hell, half this crap can be explained by the Cerberus Network's little daily news thingies.

You're nitpicking for the hell of it.

[KainrycKarr]

You two are the only idiots sitting here flippin' out over this stuff. you're "style" mirrors what ZP does.



Just stop. It's only funny when ZP does it. Really.

[Onyx Jaguar]

KainrycKarr wrote...

You two are the only idiots sitting here flippin' out over this stuff. you're "style" mirrors what ZP does.

Just stop. It's only funny when ZP does it. Really.

Of course that still didn't stop ZP from sounding like a moron during his "The Darkness" review.

"What am I suppose to do, I do not understand"

I dunno LOOK AT THE GLOWING THING THAT TAKES UP A QUARTER OF YOUR SCREEN

[Lmaoboat]

Hey, I just realized something: Zen is a school of Buddhism, a religion common to Asian countries. ZennExile wants to exile Asians! ZENNEXILE IS A RACIST!!! THE PROOF IS SOLID!

[KainrycKarr]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Hey, I just realized something: Zen is a school of Buddhism, a religion common to Asian countries. ZennExile wants to exile Asians! ZENNEXILE IS A RACIST!!! THE PROOF IS SOLID!

WTF? WHO WROTE THIS CRAP, HE'S CLEARLY AND IDIOT WHO DESERVES TO BE SHOT OF A CANNON FOR THIS DRIVEL LOLOLOL

[ZennExile]

mabalogna wrote...

12)  Because running through the end of the game with an Assault Rifle that never overheats is a lot of fun.  Seriously the ME1 combat system was really flawed, and the game designers tried to come up with a way of creating a more challenging combat experience, so they elected to introduce an ammo system, that would force a player to be more critical of where they shoot...how is that so wrong.  Sure it didn't make sense plot wise, but as a game mechanic it had to be done. 

Gonna focus here cause everything else you wrote was like Charlie Brown adults.  You know "Wah Wahwahwah?  Wah wah wah wah.  wah?  WAh WAHHH!!"  You get the idea.

What's the difference between thermal clips and a gun that overheats?  Nothing.  Semantics.   There is no depth added.  There is no challenge added.  In fact the combat system in ME2 is far easier than in ME1 because it lacks any event mechanics or tactical depth.  Take cover... power power shhhhoooooooooooooot... run run run Take cover... rinse repeat.  And even the levels were linear and mind numbingly predictable.  Hmm I wonder if there will be enemies soon... 0o0o I see short walls and boxes that make absolutely no sense lying about the place.  That must mean it's go time.

Nothing about the combat in ME2 was advanced from ME1.  All they did was make it into an over simplified cover shooter.  It's fluid now for sure.  There is a ton more combat wise you "COULD" do with it.  But instead of adding that depth to the combat Bioware just left it basic as to not frighten the RPG players away.  Basically this resulted in a combat system that is more shooter friendly but doesn't really appeal to either side of the debate now.

That's why it doesn't make sense.

Seriously though they went to a lot of trouble to explain why there was no ammo in ME1.  Jack can teach you how this makes people feel when you 180 on them like this.  Just woo her for a while and change yer mind.  (figuratively speaking.. select the option to change yer mind...)  Guess what happens?

**** OFF!!!! every time you talk to her from then on.  It's the same with ME1 fans and ammo.  Bioware took a 180 on us with blantent disregard for logical sense like everyone is so stupid they won't notice.  Well guess what.  We fukin noticed.

[Templar Lucas]

Responses:



1) Vaguely agree. The Council doesn't really do much, but that's really their point. They serve as a legal stumbling block. If they cooperated, there'd be no need to go on a covert mission to take out the Collectors, which would make for a pretty uneventful game. It'll be nice to rub it in their faces in ME3 though.



2) Nit-picking. Don't really care.



3) Don't really know where this is going...



4) Don't care for Zaeed much, but his mission's fun at least.



5) Thane is in the game because the Illusive Man knows his reputation, and thought his skills would be useful for Shepard. That's why he gave you Thane's dossier.



6) See above. Also, I noticed you don't complain about Mordin coming out of nowhere. Inconsistent.



7) Yeah, the Warden is sort of an idiot, then again having absolute power over others tends to make you think you can control anyone. I enjoyed shooting him in the face though. Additionally, it wouldn't have been much of a mission if you just picked up Jack and left.



8) I found the Conrad bit fairly entertaining, especially since your default response is to knee him in the groin.



9) Agreed. Coming back from a firefight and then having to stop and scan planets isn't fun.



10) Fuel was never an issue for me, but I fail to see the point in implementing it. All it really amounts to is throwing a few thousand credits away per playthrough. Suggest just dropping fuel depots.



11) I rather liked the missions, and they make sense from a characterization point of view. Your squadmates know that they might not come back from the Omega 4 relay, so it makes sense that they'd want some closure before they jump into the fray, as Jacob states early in the game.



12) Ammo never really posed a problem with me. If it means I can fire my sniper rifle more than twice before I need to stop, I'm good.



13) Vehicle sections in games with shooter combat almost inevitably suck, and I'm happy that ME2 avoids this pitfall completely.



14) Team-mates contributing useful stuff is a bad thing?



15) Pretty sure you're the only one who read this much into Jacob's loyalty mission.



16) You're complaining about BioWare giving you more options and the chance to complete sidequests you may have skipped? May as well be complaining about receiving free ice cream from Baskin' Robins because they normally charge you for it.

[JRM01]

I'm actually not trying to be funny, but I must say zennExile's posts do make me laugh because he is accurate and expresses his opinion in a way I find amusing.
There is nothing wrong with critisism, if its the thruth then we must embrace it and use it to improve ourselves, or in this case it could be used to improve the mass effect experience.

Modifié par JRM01, 19 février 2010 - 02:31 .

[ZennExile]

KainrycKarr wrote...

You two are the only idiots sitting here flippin' out over this stuff. you're "style" mirrors what ZP does.

Just stop. It's only funny when ZP does it. Really.

This from a guy with a "save Tali in ME3" banner?

Really Captain?... Probing Uranus.

[Kusy]

Even if you make few reasonable points in the whole thread... nobody will care and treat you seriously with the attitude of "**** YOU THIS SUCK OMFG" dude.

[Sleepicub09]

jacksmedula1 wrote...

don't count it. doesn't happen much around these parts btw I think OP need to be fired from where ever he works at for posting on these boards about a game that he hates every aspect of.

[KainrycKarr]

ZennExile wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

You two are the only idiots sitting here flippin' out over this stuff. you're "style" mirrors what ZP does.

Just stop. It's only funny when ZP does it. Really.

This from a guy with a "save Tali in ME3" banner?

Really Captain?... Probing Uranus.

Because that's totally relevant..how?

Keep trying. Really.

[ZennExile]

Templar Lucas wrote...

Responses:

1) Vaguely agree. The Council doesn't really do much, but that's really their point. They serve as a legal stumbling block. If they cooperated, there'd be no need to go on a covert mission to take out the Collectors, which would make for a pretty uneventful game. It'll be nice to rub it in their faces in ME3 though.

2) Nit-picking. Don't really care.

3) Don't really know where this is going...

4) Don't care for Zaeed much, but his mission's fun at least.

5) Thane is in the game because the Illusive Man knows his reputation, and thought his skills would be useful for Shepard. That's why he gave you Thane's dossier.

6) See above. Also, I noticed you don't complain about Mordin coming out of nowhere. Inconsistent.

7) Yeah, the Warden is sort of an idiot, then again having absolute power over others tends to make you think you can control anyone. I enjoyed shooting him in the face though. Additionally, it wouldn't have been much of a mission if you just picked up Jack and left.

8) I found the Conrad bit fairly entertaining, especially since your default response is to knee him in the groin.

9) Agreed. Coming back from a firefight and then having to stop and scan planets isn't fun.

10) Fuel was never an issue for me, but I fail to see the point in implementing it. All it really amounts to is throwing a few thousand credits away per playthrough. Suggest just dropping fuel depots.

11) I rather liked the missions, and they make sense from a characterization point of view. Your squadmates know that they might not come back from the Omega 4 relay, so it makes sense that they'd want some closure before they jump into the fray, as Jacob states early in the game.

12) Ammo never really posed a problem with me. If it means I can fire my sniper rifle more than twice before I need to stop, I'm good.

13) Vehicle sections in games with shooter combat almost inevitably suck, and I'm happy that ME2 avoids this pitfall completely.

14) Team-mates contributing useful stuff is a bad thing?

15) Pretty sure you're the only one who read this much into Jacob's loyalty mission.

16) You're complaining about BioWare giving you more options and the chance to complete sidequests you may have skipped? May as well be complaining about receiving free ice cream from Baskin' Robins because they normally charge you for it.

Mordin didn't come out of nowhere.  Mordin was part of the genophage project.  He fits perfectly into the story Arc and he's directly related to both ME1 and ME3 in a meaningful way.  Mordin is probably the best character Bioware has ever made and he's by far the best written character in ME2.  There is no valid argument here either.  If you don't agree you have some kind of bias blocking your higher brain functions.

Rest of the list though I might not read and probably won't respond to and I hope it contained lulz. 

[Kusy]

ZennExile wrote...

Rest of the list though I might not read and probably won't respond to and I hope it contained lulz. 

What's your point in starting a discussion when you don't even bother with reading anwsers? You might as well go vent your oversized ego in front of a mirror.

[ZennExile]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Even if you make few reasonable points in the whole thread... nobody will care and treat you seriously with the attitude of "**** YOU THIS SUCK OMFG" dude.

I don't know what to say here.  Do you believe anyone takes anything on a forum with more than a grain of salt?  I'm not sure if you noticed but forums are the anti-information place.  It doesn't really matter how you wrap the information in format and propriety, no one with better than a 6th grade education should take anything they read on a public/semi-public forum seriously.

Now if you posted for the sake of semantics... You are way outa yer element here Donny. 

[Sleepicub09]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Rest of the list though I might not read and probably won't respond to and I hope it contained lulz. 

What's your point in starting a discussion when you don't even bother with reading anwsers? You might as well go vent your oversized ego in front of a mirror.

because he's something called a troll notice he basically just saifd he hate the game in 15 different bits

[ZennExile]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Rest of the list though I might not read and probably won't respond to and I hope it contained lulz. 

What's your point in starting a discussion when you don't even bother with reading anwsers? You might as well go vent your oversized ego in front of a mirror.

I tried that and the **** hit me. 

But really though I responded to a portion of his responce and haven't decided whether or not to read the rest because it's so serious and droll I want to tear my eyes out of my face and shove them up my own ass... but I digress.

The real reason is when I respond only to part of a post I like to let the other party know that I am only considering the specific part I am responding to.  It helps prevent misunderstanding that lead to retards posting troll responces about inflated egos and oogling the mirror.

[Templar Lucas]

ZennExile wrote...

Mordin didn't come out of nowhere.  Mordin was part of the genophage project.  He fits perfectly into the story Arc and he's directly related to both ME1 and ME3 in a meaningful way.  Mordin is probably the best character Bioware has ever made and he's by far the best written character in ME2.  There is no valid argument here either.  If you don't agree you have some kind of bias blocking your higher brain functions.

Ah, I forgot about that. Embarrasing, considering I just conversed with him on that topic in my current playthrough.

And yes, Mordin is most awesome.

Rest of the list though I might not read and probably won't respond to and I hope it contained lulz. 

Eh, probably not.

[TekFanX]

Mhhh...I have to agree with the OP in several points. Although I'm not that ragefull like a pitfight-dog with a jalapeno in the butt(sorry, crazy guy is trying to make a point from your yelling, no offense).

About the ammo: Yeah...that's somewhat the most dumbest thing I ever encountered.
First game makes a logical story on how modern weaponry doesn't need ammo anymore and the second kicks all of it away for a gameplay-mechanic.

One thing that got to me is all the tech we never encountered in ME1 without having any story-telling about how the heck that stuff started appearing in just two years throughout the galaxy without having major flaws.
What I mean?
Loki, Fenris and YMIR.
Surely that things would have been pretty usefull to mercs in ME1 too.

Other thing I got a little angry about is the part with the class-Vid of the Adept: Fighting without fireing a shot.
Later I read in this forums that every class is meant to balance weapon-use and powers.

Conrad...um...yeah...the annoying fan. Now stating that I shoved a gun in his face although I told him to get to his wife and strengthen humanity from home.
Pretty sure I know why his wife payed for his departure so happily -.-

Then again the story-telling of the different ME1-Squaddies not joining you.
Liara: I have to find this guy and kill him...no I can not come with you to save the galaxy. Yeah sure, I'm a good information-broker right now but I can't understand the information that I'll be dead when the reapers arrive and make it impossible for me to kill the Shadow Broker.
Wrex: Have to unite the Krogans. Reapers? Oh yeah, these things. Why should I get the fact that there will be no Krogans left to unite if they come?
Ashley/Kaidan: I've seen the collectors and what terrible things they do.
But I will never work for cerberus, because I'm so loyal to the alliance that I don't care if the reapers turn us into a husks to form the huskiance.

About recruiting the different squaddies that don't fit into the main-storyline: I think there's no reason why everyone should be bound to the ME1-happenings or the collectors.
They are meant to be the top-specialists on their type of fighting.
Sure thing not everyone fought the geth, collectors or such.
And about Samara: She's more entitled than you stated. Not much, but as a maiden she refused to hand slaves to the collectors, so she killer her merc-band and fled.

About the Loyalty-Missions...sometimes the OP is right:

Thane: No agreement with OP. Sure thing a father would want his son save in the next time, before taking down a threat that endangers him in some months when the reapers come.

Samara: Agreeing with OP: Why killing the serial-murder-daughter instead of the monsters that kill hundreds of thousands in some months?!

Tali: Agreeing with OP: No real reason why she should endanger the fleet by waiting to kill the reaper-servants, even if she get's herself exiled in the course of it.

Garrus: Agreeing with OP: We all know, he isn't that smart about planning on longer distances...but hey...revengeing ten dead people in the course of endangering all sentient, high-evolved live...sure...that's justice.

Grunt: Disagreeing with OP: He never wants to get to Tuchanka. We say him we do so.

Mordin: Agreeing with OP: Wanting to save the lost student and endanger favourite nephew...very smaaart scientist.

Legion: Disagreeing with OP: Why save all organics from the heretics and the old machines if all other "normal" geth turn to heretics until Legion is back? Its race would be destroyed as it is, wether Legion is fighting or not.

Jacob: Disagreeing with OP: He buried his father in his memories, doesn't need to go there by his own intention.
The racist thing...well...I don't make a difference in skin-color, so I didn't quite thought of it in the way you stated it.

Miranda: Disagreeing with OP: Same as with Thane: Family comes first, then the universe. The threat from the mercs and the father is more dangerous at that point.

Zaeed: Somehow agreeing with OP. Mercenary doesn't tend to care about anything than revenge. If he stated in his contract he wanted this cleared before, he's just the selfish ****** he appears to be. That's not quite cerberus-like of solving the problem fast, though.

On the Mako:
I friggin hated that thing.
Not because of gravimetric differences or such, but because it became boring in the second playthrough to drive from one point to the other. Although I liked the fights.
Scanning is now boring too, but at least it's mostly faster than the cruising-tours with the Mako.

Modifié par TekFanX, 19 février 2010 - 02:30 .