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[anmiro]

I've seen a few threads now where people are asking if the crew will be back for ME3 or if there will be a new crew.

All the of Shepards surviving crew members had better be back and contribute to the story of defeating the Reapers, for a very important reason. 

ME2 is almost entirely about recruiting these people and developing their characters and contributes very little to how Shepard is going to defeat the Reapers. So, if there not all back and they don't play an important role in ME3 than what is the point of this game. If the surviving members of your crew aren't still on your crew in ME3, than what does it matter if they live or die. In ME1 you have to choose between saving Kaiden or Ashley. Felt like a big choice at the time. I liked them both, its a tough choice. Fast forward to ME2, they are not on your crew anymore and when you meet them on Horizon, it doesn't matter who you saved they feel exactly the same, if you boned them or not.

Modifié par anmiro, 18 février 2010 - 10:59 .

[KainrycKarr]

I've been saying this for a long time now. :l

[Talogrungi]

But they all DIED at the end.

Or could, at least. That's the big stumbling block .. we can't have Lazarus projects for everyone.

[Llandaryn]

This warranted its own thread?

[Frotality]

well thats the unlikely hope we have. for me the quality of ME2 is pretty damn dependant on how the choices impact ME3, otherwise it really is just a spin-off story wise.

[KainrycKarr]

Talogrungi wrote...

But they all DIED at the end.
Or could, at least. That's the big stumbling block .. we can't have Lazarus projects for everyone.

No, they can't ALL have died at the end.

Nor do most, if any, people intend to use a save with more than one or two people dead.

It has already been explained how to overcome this stuff a million times over.

[Neccrid]

I feel the same way about how ME2 was really about recruiting the squad. Some people will say it was to stop the collectors, but thats the Mask used to cover ME2's true intent.



I can't imagine ME3 being about both recruiting a squad and stopping the Reapers. Let's face it, thats way to much to handle even for Shepard. With the ending of ME3 it clearly leaves the impression of the Reapers are on our door step and we need to be ready. Which if you were a smart player you are because your squad is alive and ready to dish out some more ass kicking.

[marshalleck]

Oh, was it time for this topic again?

[boardnfool86]

No neccessarily...

Miranda               Cerberus - could be a problem (best I can think of)      
Jacob                     Cerberus - could be a problem (best I can think of) 
Thane                        He's dying, with just months to live
Tali                       They wouldn't kill her, but she is up to an admiral, that's BioWare's out for her
Grunt                    He's supposed to return to Tuchanka after the mission and help his people
Samara                   She is a Justicar, she wants to clean up Omega
Mordin                   He is over a decade older than the Salarian life expectancy, his old age could easily get him
Jack                    Her biotic powers have caused a neurological degenerative disorder (true story) she too is dying
Garrus                   He got messed up pretty bad on Omega - but I think he is a safe bet for ME3 (the safest)
Legion                   I think BioWare hopes for him to be in ME3, there is a lot left to learn about him, but he's a geth so...
Zaheed                Fun character, but shallowest, only one you can't build a friendship with on the ship
Kasumi              Remains to be seen... not out yet as of this post

So there...

EDIT fixed formatting

Modifié par boardnfool86, 18 février 2010 - 10:37 .

[Talogrungi]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

But they all DIED at the end.
Or could, at least. That's the big stumbling block .. we can't have Lazarus projects for everyone.

No, they can't ALL have died at the end.

Nor do most, if any, people intend to use a save with more than one or two people dead.

It has already been explained how to overcome this stuff a million times over.

Every character can be one of those that does die though.

That alone puts their future in serious question in ME3. If Bioware continue the trend that they started with ME2, then every killable squadmate (i.e. all of them) may end up as cameos. I'd rather that not be the case, but at this moment in time there's absolutely no evidence of that being anything but a pipedream.

Modifié par Talogrungi, 18 février 2010 - 10:35 .

[Neccrid]

People are taking the Jack thing way to out of perspective. If she were really dying like at which Thane was it would have been much more of a stated fact in the game. No where does she even mention it or care. And if you were trying to romance her don't you think she would say it then? Hell, she talks more about you dying in the relationship than her.

[mundus66]

boardnfool86 wrote...

No neccessarily...

Miranda               Cerberus - could be a problem (best I can think
of)      
Jacob                     Cerberus - could be a problem
(best I can think of) 
Thane                        He's dying, with
just months to live
Tali                       They wouldn't kill
her, but she is up to an admiral, that's BioWare's out for her
Grunt                    
He's supposed to return to Tuchanka after the mission and help his
people
Samara                   She is a Justicar, she wants to clean
up Omega
Mordin                   He is over a decade older than the
Salarian life expectancy, his old age could easily get him
Jack                    
Her biotic powers have caused a neurological degenerative disorder
(true story) she too is dying
Garrus                   He got messed
up pretty bad on Omega - but I think he is a safe bet for ME3 (the
safest)
Legion                   I think BioWare hopes for him to be
in ME3, there is a lot left to learn about him, but he's a geth so...
Zaheed                
Fun character, but shallowest, only one you can't build a friendship
with on the ship
Kasumi              Remains to be seen... not out
yet as of this post

So there...

Depeding on the outcome of ME2 both Miranda and Jacob can pretty much quit Cerberus. Or if your renegade it feels more like Shepards works for them, so that wont be an issue.

Tali can be exiled, so i do not think she will be one of the admirals in ME3. Legion should be back why not? Even if he dies, he is still a geth so why shouldn't he return? Grunt even calls Shepard his battle master so again why shouldn't he stick around if he could? 

The only characters that makes sense for them to not be in your crew in ME3 is Thane, Samara/Morinth and Jack the rest, better have a god damn reason if they are not.

The DLC characters probably wont be back though, they shouldn't, since everybody doesn't even have them (him).

[boardnfool86]

mundus66 wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

No neccessarily...

Miranda               Cerberus - could be a problem (best I can think
of)      
Jacob                     Cerberus - could be a problem
(best I can think of) 
Thane                        He's dying, with
just months to live
Tali                       They wouldn't kill
her, but she is up to an admiral, that's BioWare's out for her
Grunt                    
He's supposed to return to Tuchanka after the mission and help his
people
Samara                   She is a Justicar, she wants to clean
up Omega
Mordin                   He is over a decade older than the
Salarian life expectancy, his old age could easily get him
Jack                    
Her biotic powers have caused a neurological degenerative disorder
(true story) she too is dying
Garrus                   He got messed
up pretty bad on Omega - but I think he is a safe bet for ME3 (the
safest)
Legion                   I think BioWare hopes for him to be
in ME3, there is a lot left to learn about him, but he's a geth so...
Zaheed                
Fun character, but shallowest, only one you can't build a friendship
with on the ship
Kasumi              Remains to be seen... not out
yet as of this post

So there...

Depeding on the outcome of ME2 both Miranda and Jacob can pretty much quit Cerberus. Or if your renegade it feels more like Shepards works for them, so that wont be an issue.

Tali can be exiled, so i do not think she will be one of the admirals in ME3. Legion should be back why not? Even if he dies, he is still a geth so why shouldn't he return? Grunt even calls Shepard his battle master so again why shouldn't he stick around if he could? 

The only characters that makes sense for them to not be in your crew in ME3 is Thane, Samara/Morinth and Jack the rest, better have a god damn reason if they are not.

The DLC characters probably wont be back though, they shouldn't, since everybody doesn't even have them (him).

What about Mordin, he's almost Councilor Anderson's age?

[Lvl20DM]

I think that any surviving squad-mates could contribute to the fight against the Reapers without joining your squad. The ultimate battle against the Reapers is going to be a multi-lateral affair - Shep can't just show up in Dark Space guns blazing.



Shep: Hey Mordin, I'm investigating X, I need your help, re-join my crew.

Mordin: Sorry Shep, I'm researching Y, without which we will never defeat the Reapers.

[KainrycKarr]

Here is how, and the why, for dead characters and whatnot.



The most popular characters will return as squadmates, but will likely not hold roles that cannot be interchangeable.



This is what I believe casey hudson meant by keeping the ME LI's alive through ME2, guaranteed.



Those specific characters, I think, Bioware want to have CHARACTER SPECIFIC ROLES.



As

in, they MUST bein the plot, without doubt. This makes sense for

kaidan/ashley, as they are BOTH marines of relatively high ranking, and as such I believe their personal history with Shepard would make a generic stand-in impossible, and

ESPECIALLY makes sense for Liara as she is the only guaranteed survivor, and has her own separately written story-arch.



Favorites

like Tali, Garrus, Thane, etc, i believe will be made available as

squadmates and continued LI's, but will not have dialogue or cutscenes

that are crucial to the main plot. They will most likely be OPTIONAL

squaddies, based on if they lived or died.



Tl;Dr



Liara

and Kaidan/Ashley are reserved for plot specific roles that do not

allow for generic character if they are dead, thus why they were

"immunized" for ME2.



ME2 characters and LI's, while present and

with their own stories, etc, will not be crucial to the plot, and will

likely be interchangeable. Which characters are brought back will be

determined by fan response and who lived in people's save games,

respectively.



People always say Casey Hudson lies with these statements but he doesn't....you're just interpreting it differently.

[Mystik]

it wouldn't make sense to have me2 to recruit a whole team and then they are all gone in 3. I'm sure a few won't return but some like Legion seem locks for ME3.Thane/Samara seem iffy and the Cereberus agents but really with loyalty unless they died they should be back along with Ashley and Liara.

[petipas1414]

I'm not seeing how the Cerberus agents are iffy.



If you bring Miranda and destroy the base she resigns.



If you save the base she doesn't.



Cerberus didn't resurrect you to let the reapers kill everyone, and if you gave them the base, that's kind of the implication that you want to help them.

[petipas1414]

Talogrungi wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

But they all DIED at the end.
Or could, at least. That's the big stumbling block .. we can't have Lazarus projects for everyone.

No, they can't ALL have died at the end.

Nor do most, if any, people intend to use a save with more than one or two people dead.

It has already been explained how to overcome this stuff a million times over.

Every character can be one of those that does die though.

That alone puts their future in serious question in ME3. If Bioware continue the trend that they started with ME2, then every killable squadmate (i.e. all of them) may end up as cameos. I'd rather that not be the case, but at this moment in time there's absolutely no evidence of that being anything but a pipedream.

If they even read these boards I don't think they'll make the NPC brief cameo mistake again.

Between the "the devs really dropped the ball with Liara" thread, and all the pushes for a Kaiden Alenko renegade *****slap, I think it's safe to say they wouldn't repeat past mistakes.

And to be fair to BW, what they did with the cameos in ME2 were probably neccassary, but until ME3 we have no way of knowing if we got totally jipped.

[Pauravi]

There is every reason to believe that almost all the previously available characters will be available and have important roles. It makes the most sense story-wise, it makes the most sense in terms of developing characters, it makes the most sense in the context of a trilogy, and it makes the most sense in fulfilling the aim that Bioware has stated from the beginning: to make sure that your decisions and the consequences are important.

The entire objection to it amounts to, "Well, I don't think Bioware will want to put in the necessary resources to do it". Besides the fact that this is the finale of one of the most successful and well-loved RPGs ever created, besides the fact that they won't need to devote resources to game engine development this time, besides the fact that Bioware has already stated in interviews that they want to bring back most of the characters and let the story run wild... this notion is based on the fallacy that creating a bunch of new characters is less work than writing parts for characters that have already been developed. I really don't think that this is the case, unless the new characters are extremely shallow -- unthinkable considering the entire series focus on character development.



Don't worry, people. Most of them will be back, I'm 99.9% sure.

[HTTP 404]

Pauravi wrote...

There is every reason to believe that almost all the previously available characters will be available and have important roles. It makes the most sense story-wise, it makes the most sense in terms of developing characters, it makes the most sense in the context of a trilogy, and it makes the most sense in fulfilling the aim that Bioware has stated from the beginning: to make sure that your decisions and the consequences are important.
The entire objection to it amounts to, "Well, I don't think Bioware will want to put in the necessary resources to do it". Besides the fact that this is the finale of one of the most successful and well-loved RPGs ever created, besides the fact that they won't need to devote resources to game engine development this time, besides the fact that Bioware has already stated in interviews that they want to bring back most of the characters and let the story run wild... this notion is based on the fallacy that creating a bunch of new characters is less work than writing parts for characters that have already been developed. I really don't think that this is the case, unless the new characters are extremely shallow -- unthinkable considering the entire series focus on character development.

Don't worry, people. Most of them will be back, I'm 99.9% sure.

I agree but not as your squadmates.