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tiberius_adamantine

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This forum is dedicated to proving the possibility of a cross-species child. Although I will focus on a human-quarian child, feel free to post regarding the possibility of others. It is my hope that in proving this possibility, and gathering enough feedback and support, that we can give the developers something to consider and maybe add to the next game.


When you look at Tali’s face through the visor, you can’t help but notice how human –like her facial features are.  The possibility is that quarians are actually very close to humans genetically speaking. Like us, Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear ducts. Females also have mammary glands, which is what mammals use to feed their young with.  It is believed that quarians evolved from creatures similar to earth’s higher primates, an evolution that naturally is a human equivalent originating on another planet.
 
The origin of life on any planet probably starts off the same, which is why things like bacteria exist everywhere. The difference being that each evolves in its own way to handle the varying conditions but doesn't entirely change, hence the bacteria. Evolution is simply reading traits in a new way to achieve a better survival/success rate.
 
We know that all life shares at least a little of their genetic codes. This is why we are more closely related to rats than we would otherwise think.  This means that humans are already related, at least partially, to the other alien races that exist in the Mass Effect universe. Our closest relatives on Earth are chimpanzees, but they don’t share our upright postures and other physical advantages.  If you notice, most of the sentient life in that universe share a similar body frame, and indication of shared genetics that aren’t even shared by our closest relatives on earth.
 
The main structure of DNA is the nucleotides. These are the base pairings which give DNA its code. In humans, Adenine binds with Thymine, Cytosine with Guanine, and so on. The more that these codes match, the better the odds of having a hybrid child. We already know based on the things above that quarians likely share a good portion of their DNA with humans. Since the full genetic code for any alien species is unknown, even to the developers themselves, the genetic code could contain further similarities to that of humans.
 
We already know that hybrids are possible even from situations that have occurred on earth. Ligers, mules, walphins, and a few others have already emerged from the cross-breeding of different animals. Admittedly there are usually many problems associated with this process.  Mortality rates among the unborn and sterilization are just a couple of problems facing hybrid children. These potential risks are likely to be a problem with human-quarian children, however, these problems may be able to be corrected, or at least lessened , by Mass Effect’s technology. Different gene therapies, for example, may be use to correct defects and eliminate certain genetics that are dangerous to the new child.
 
It is likely that there would be genetic skirmishes that occur when the genes meet. For example, humans have levo –based amino acids and quarians have dextro-based amino acids. This is, according to modern science,
a big problem in creating a child. However, there are ways that this can be overcome through future technology's
bio-engineering. It does present a problem, but then any problem can be overcome with the right method.
 
Junk DNA from both species would likely be dropped. For example, in human genetics the small toe is no longer needed for balance. Such genetics would likely be lost to allow for a better mix which would be a compromise between the genetics. The new child, for example, would likely have four fingers on each hand (including the index finger and thumb) and four toes on each foot.

 So maybe a hybrid child is possible, just not probable because of limited interspecies interaction and having a low success rate. There would likely be complications, I’ll admit that, but the possibility still remains. Given what we know, what is yet unknown, and Mass Effect’s future technology they can make it work. All it will take is an explanation from the developers, either ingame or outside. This explanation wouldn’t need to get too detailed, just enough to confirm what I’ve already said. Hopefully we can make this work and I look forward to seeing the different responses to this forum.  
 
Note: I have updated the paragraph on the genetic skirmishes.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 26 février 2010 - 04:17 .


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Grand_Commander13

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I'm going to not read your post and instead tell you that quarians and humans are waaay different. As in, their proteins are based off of different amino acids. As in: don't count on it.

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What are you trying to 'PROVE' in a fictional work?

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Yeah, unfortunately, your theory is undermined by Tali being dextro-amino acid based. Look it up. IIRC it means her protein structures twist the other way, though I could have the interpretation quite wrong. Basically means that we're chemically incompatible, so sex cells would be similarly incompatible.



Sorry mate.

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Lightice_av

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Hybrid children between different species with different evolutionary paths are impossible both in real life and in Mass Effect universe. No chance, none whatsoever.

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Not sure if Human/Quarians child is possible, but there's always the Human/Asari child option.

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Lightice_av wrote...

Hybrid children between different species with different evolutionary paths are impossible both in real life and in Mass Effect universe. No chance, none whatsoever.


Infinity my friend :) 
Somewhere out there, there MUST be aut least 1 species that wold be compatible. In fact, infinty would tell you that theres another you, on another earth, on another mass effect forum. But hey, lets not go too far ;p

You say it's impossible, I say it's INCREDIBLY rare. But does exist.

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I love Tali. It borders on obsession, I'll admit. But you put A LOT of thought into that. With that said, anybody who actually reads it instead of just insulting him would know he makes some good points.

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I say no. No hybrids if there's even any possibility of having a child with a Quarian or a Turian I say it should either be a Turian/Quarian or human. Besides I doubt that cross species relationships haven't happened in the Galaxy. We've heard no talk of hybrids or anything of the sort.

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Unless you engineer the hybrid "child" in a lab from scratch, or two... You are more likely to impregnate a chimp.

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Yeah, a quarian's immune system would reject the baby and kill it. That is assuming that it would even be possible to fertilize a Quarian egg with a human sperm (which the quaian's body would also reject), if they use the same basic system.



BUT, maybe, possibly, a human and a quarian could genetically engineer a child, but that's not really what we're talking about and it's kind of cheating anyway.



Plus, I don't think a baby mechanic in the next game would jive with much of anyone.

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I don't think it would be possible in the natural sense ( as in you have sex and she gets pregnant ) however I do think it can be posibile to take your genetic material ( aka sperm ), go with it rhough a lot of altering, then using it to make the girl pregnant. Considering the fact Miranda was made from the genetic material of just one man, who is to say you can't alter your DNA to be compatible with quarian DNA to have a child.

Then again, Shepard and Tali are people who are NOT suited for having children. Do you see any of them doing anything in their lives rather then high risk stuff?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 février 2010 - 11:51 .


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Delta426 wrote...

Unless you engineer the hybrid "child" in a lab from scratch, or two... You are more likely to impregnate a chimp.


You beat me by like two seconds with that engineering thing.  Touche.

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Axeface wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Hybrid children between different species with different evolutionary paths are impossible both in real life and in Mass Effect universe. No chance, none whatsoever.


Infinity my friend :) 
Somewhere out there, there MUST be aut least 1 species that wold be compatible. In fact, infinty would tell you that theres another you, on another earth, on another mass effect forum. But hey, lets not go too far ;p

You say it's impossible, I say it's INCREDIBLY rare. But does exist.


The definition of a species is a group of organisms that and reproduce and give birth to viable offspring. If humans and quarians could have children, they would technically be of the same species. (Ex: Horses and donkeys can fornicate and produce a mule, but a mule can't reproduce as it lacks sexual organs).

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This game is complete fiction even though it has somewhat of a science base. That is actually good news because you can twist science around to work however you want in a piece of fictional work. Can hybrids exist? Ofcourse they can because its a fictional world. Throw in some made up junk science, and you have a reasonable reason as to why it will work.




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Sabresandiego wrote...

This game is complete fiction even though it has somewhat of a science base. That is actually good news because you can twist science around to work however you want in a piece of fictional work. Can hybrids exist? Ofcourse they can because its a fictional world. Throw in some made up junk science, and you have a reasonable reason as to why it will work.


You can say "space wizzard" and "mass effect field" all you want, biology doesn't change in space.

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In the MassEffect Universe a cross-species child would possible with an Asari like Liara.

Hopefully that is what will be revealed in ME3 that you are the father of a little Asari.

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monkeycamoran wrote...

You never heard of convergent evolution, huh? How much do you actually know about biology?

Maybe it's better to focus on narrative than making fake science.


We're walking on shaky ground if we're going to talk about convergent evolution.
Two alien species that use DNA is convergent evolution.  Bipedalism in two alien species is convergent evolution.  Placentas and embryonic reproduction in two alien species is convergent evolution.  But two species evolving so close along the same lines that they can interbreed and have viable offspring?  That is not convergent.  That smacks of intelligent design.  But that is for a different discussion.

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As much as I love Tali and the Talimance, if Shepard and Tali have a baby I will burn all of my Mass Effect-related merchandise.

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Axeface wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Hybrid children between different species with different evolutionary paths are impossible both in real life and in Mass Effect universe. No chance, none whatsoever.


Infinity my friend :) 
Somewhere out there, there MUST be aut least 1 species that wold be compatible. In fact, infinty would tell you that theres another you, on another earth, on another mass effect forum. But hey, lets not go too far ;p

You say it's impossible, I say it's INCREDIBLY rare. But does exist.


Did you guys totaly forget about the Asari? Their compatible with dam near every other species.

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Man Who Falls wrote...

But two species evolving so close along the same lines that they can interbreed and have viable offspring?  That is not convergent.  That smacks of intelligent design. 


No such thing

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Somewhere out there, there MUST be aut least 1 species that wold be compatible. In fact, infinty would tell you that theres another you, on another earth, on another mass effect forum. But hey, lets not go too far ;p





The universe isn't infinite. It's incredibly huge but finite - not big enough for anything to happen within it. And Mass Effect only takes place within one galaxy, in any case.



Did you guys totaly forget about the Asari? Their compatible with dam near every other species.





Not quite. They don't produce hybrids. They don't take genes from other species. They just use their nervous systems to randomize parts of their own genetic code, as one asari on Illium explains to you. Their children are purely asari. The only known significant difference between pureblood asari and the rest is that the purebloods have an incredibly low chance of getting a genetic condition that may result in the ardat-yakshi.

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I understand that they look Asari, but don't they inherit some trait from the other parent? I remember the Bartender on Illium said she got her manner's from her father.

Modifié par PimplyPete, 19 février 2010 - 12:36 .


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Sabresandiego wrote...

This game is complete fiction even though it has somewhat of a science base. That is actually good news because you can twist science around to work however you want in a piece of fictional work. Can hybrids exist? Ofcourse they can because its a fictional world. Throw in some made up junk science, and you have a reasonable reason as to why it will work.


Lasers got Tali pregnant! There you go...:innocent: