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[brianstar]

hey guys whats up

[Shallowain]

No chance in hell for species hybrids between Quarians/turians and the other species, totally incompatible biochemistry. The rest only through extreme genetic manipulation. And even then the chance would be so abysmally low that no one in his right mind could think of it in as a serious idea.



Asari don't produce Hybrids either, they simply randomize their DNA through a sort of mental connection between the parents with a chance that some traits from the other species *might* be passed on. But they will always stay Asari.

[GodWood]

PimplyPete wrote...

Not sure if Human/Quarians child is possible, but there's always the Human/Asari child option.

At the end of the day its still 100% asari.

OT Man I'm sick of saying this, a human and an apes DNA is like 99% the same as an ape's, yet a human and ape cannot have a child, hybrids are simply impossible.

[yummysoap]

We can't even produce offspring with monkeys, who share about 93% of their DNA with us.



There is no way in hell humans would ever be able to reproduce with aliens.



It's already unbelievable enough that they all look so much like us, being able to have babies with them would just be pushing the line.

[Collider]

Impossible in the natural sense. Because it's science fiction, you could engineer some sort of hybrid if you really want to stretch it. Not worth it though it appears. Too many complications. If words gets out, I could see the kid being treated badly by some people, of course the suit MIGHT hide it...only might. It's pretty obvious the difference between the legs, feet, and hands. Tali and Shepard can just adopt a quarian orphan

[Llandaryn]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...


This forum is dedicated to proving the possibility of a cross-species child.

It's not possible.

When you look at Tali’s face through the visor, you can’t help but notice how human –like her facial features are.  The possibility is that quarians are actually very close to humans genetically speaking. Like us, Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear ducts. Females also have mammary glands, which is what mammals use to feed their young with.  It is believed that quarians evolved from creatures similar to earth’s higher primates, an evolution that naturally is a human equivalent originating on another planet.

Asari also have those traits.

Evidence for the latter, please.

 
The origin of life on any planet probably starts off the same, which is why things like bacteria exist everywhere. The difference being that each evolves in its own way to handle the varying conditions but doesn't entirely change, hence the bacteria. Evolution is simply reading traits in a new way to achieve a better survival/success rate.

No. Quarians and Turians are based on completely different amino acids. Even if conception were possible, any human female carrying a Quarian/Turian child would have the choice of either a) eating human food, in which case it would pass via the placenta to the child and poison it, or eating Quarian food, which would poison the parent.

 
We know that all life shares at least a little of their genetic codes. This is why we are more closely related to rats than we would otherwise think. 

You are more closely related to rats than you are to a Quarian, and yet you can't have children with rats either.

This means that humans are already related, at least partially, to the other alien races that exist in the Mass Effect universe. Our closest relatives on Earth are chimpanzees, but they don’t share our upright postures and other physical advantages.  If you notice, most of the sentient life in that universe share a similar body frame, and indication of shared genetics that aren’t even shared by our closest relatives on earth.

No. You're just so wrong. Ostriches and emus are 'upright', as are penguins, yet this doesn't mean we can breed them. Same goes bipedal aliens.

 
The main structure of DNA is the nucleotides. These are the base pairings which give DNA its code. In humans, Adenine binds with Thymine, Cytosine with Guanine, and so on. The more that these codes match, the better the odds of having a hybrid child. We already know based on the things above that quarians likely share a good portion of their DNA with humans. Since the full genetic code for any alien species is unknown, even to the developers themselves, the genetic code could contain further similarities to that of humans.

We know that Quarians are dextro-amino-acid based life forms, as opposed to levo-amino-acid based life forms, like us. This means your mRNA is going to read "ACGTAAACTGTCC" and then think "oh man, we're screwed!"

Spare the cellular biology brief. You're assuming that base pair sequencing is the same in Quarians as it is in Humans. Since their DNA is completely different and non-compatible, it most likely isn't.

 
We already know that hybrids are possible even from situations that have occurred on earth. Ligers, mules, walphins, and a few others have already emerged from the cross-breeding of different animals. Admittedly there are usually many problems associated with this process.  Mortality rates among the unborn and sterilization are just a couple of problems facing hybrid children. These potential risks are likely to be a problem with human-quarian children, however, these problems may be able to be corrected, or at least lessened , by Mass Effect’s technology. Different gene therapies, for example, may be use to correct defects and eliminate certain genetics that are dangerous to the new child.

Such a child would never be conceived in the first place. The mRNA/tRNA transcription just isn't going to work.

 
It is likely that there would be genetic skirmishes that occur when the genes meet. For example, humans have levo –based amino acids and quarians have dextro-based amino acids. More likely than not though, one set of genes will dominate the other. In this case, it is likely that the levo genetic is dominate to the dextro seeing as it is more common to the universe. However, part of the dextro genetic would likely still be present and add a small increase to what the new child could and/or couldn’t ingest.

No, see above, even if conception possible, child poisoned in womb.

 
Junk DNA from both species would likely be dropped. For example, in human genetics the small toe is no longer needed for balance. Such genetics would likely be lost to allow for a better mix which would be a compromise between the genetics. The new child, for example, would likely have four fingers on each hand (including the index finger and thumb) and four toes on each foot.

This isn't how it works. Junk DNA doesn't just get randomly 'dropped'. Read also: evolution.

 So maybe a hybrid child is possible, just not probable because of limited interspecies interaction and having a low success rate. There would likely be complications, I’ll admit that, but the possibility still remains. Given what we know, what is yet unknown, and Mass Effect’s future technology they can make it work. All it will take is an explanation from the developers, either ingame or outside. This explanation wouldn’t need to get too detailed, just enough to confirm what I’ve already said. Hopefully we can make this work and I look forward to seeing the different responses to this forum. 

 

So far, the writers have done a good job at keeping the game scientficially sound. Why would they throw all that away by confirming what you've written when it's implausible at best and the biggest laugh since Scientology at worst?

[Bann Duncan]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

And people claim Talimancers are no more creepy than normal ME fans...

(And before I get accused of responding only to the first sentence, I'll point out that I read the entire post and it is at odds with what the only ME universe biologist we've met has said)

I don't see how this is at odds with the ME universe. The topic of hybrid childs hasn't come up as it hasn't happened and I've already addressed this point. I also resent being called creepy for trying to prove a possibility that I think should be explored.

You haven't spoken with Mordin enough then.

[DreadvasNormandy]

(Apologies if certain spoilers occur most is ME1 related)



The Hanar believe the "Enkindlers", Protheans, uplifted and civilized them. Jellyfish seem to be a close resemblance to what Hanar look like and Jellyfish have been around for millions of years - a long time before the Protheans became extinct.



My theory is when Protheans began traversing the stars and finding the mass relays Hanar were already a semi-evolved race whilst every other race, like Humans, Asari, Turians, were still in an unevolved state. Our ancestors share a link to today's chimpanzees, monkeys, and gorillas, as well as other primates.



The Prothean artifact used on Eletania reveals a sort of vision whereby the primitive humans (sometime beginning 200,000 years ago) and Protheans co-existed in a relationship akin to a mouse/scientist experimental curiosity. Thus it can be speculated Protheans had some interest in human evolution and perhaps even had a more direct influence on their progress as well as, if believed, progress on all other races.



The idea Asari, Turian, Quarian, Elcor, Volus, etc...they're all related by Prothean influence, is not too stretched. After all tiberius_adamantine states they are all bi-pedial. Thing is amino-acids are not the same and certain DNA strands would have to be different. This is also covered in depth by tiberius_adamantine.



Part of the problem is a 'hybrid' is unlikely. A 'mutant' or 'abomination' is far more likely because fusing genetics or forcing them to work would result in a mess of nucleotides. It would take an incredible amount of technology, science, and guesswork, just to get into the logistics. In short producing a hybrid may of been something only Protheans were capable of doing and only Protheans managed to warn about the Reapers to their (supposed) experiments/descendants.



Which is more likely to occur: building a new mass relay to warp through space at FTL speeds or producing a metabolic reaction at sub-atomic levels to new results? Anatomically speaking we're not sure of too many things. We know Krogans have multiple organs and Turians have reinforced skin but how far does it go genetically?



Cerberus's financing and science is very much humanly funded and humanly managed thus Shepard's revival has to be a human breakthrough and not something aliens are capable of. Salarians almost completely sterilized Krogan and we know the opposite to sterility is fertility. If Salarians could make one race infertile they can definitely make another race very fertile...fertile enough to even accept alien eggs/sperm.



Still Quarians would be notoriously difficult...anything outside their genetics can be harmful.



What is possible? Well Asari have the most diversity to survive as they just dump anything outside their genetics as junk DNA and keep their Asari looks with some personality twists. It's therefore unlikely to ever see an Asari 'hybrid' just because their very species repels it.

Turians would be interesting...their bodies could endure the harshness of childbirth easily enough and don't suffer from diseases or dropping Junk DNA. If anything is humanly possible then it'll be Turian.

Volus and Salarian would also be possible, given enough thought, but again it's more likely politics and economical reasoning would be factored (a Salarian family tree with a human ancestor may be weak on their mating rituals/Volus may see no significant financial gain breeding a hybrid).



Conventionally nothing hybrid is possible. Harry Partridge's video on Avatar's sexual antics, whilst humorous, probably stays more to a alien truth about mating than anything else. Perhaps a Quarian mouth is their most stimulating area! Who knows. What I do suggest is if the anatomy of all evolved races relate to a human's anatomy then it's obvious the Protheans had some involvement shaping these races together probably to strengthen the galaxy by having such diversity to stand against the Reapers. If this is promoted then a Hybrid is possible because it strengthens diversity. If you combine the knowledge of all races together, Volus funding, Cerberus know-how, Salarian intelligence, Asari interest, and so-forth, the human genome code project could be expanded to a genome code of all aliens and, somewhere, some compatibilities may work.



But let's start small shall we? Medi-Gel seems to work on ALL races right? races and the all-purpose medicinal salves seems to work infinitely better than blood transfusions and we cannot accept blood from other animals right? Well there's a great breakthrough already! If a huge quantity of Medi-Gel could keep the preservation of cell structure as it mutates it may contain abominations and allow an acceptable hybrid.

Next we'd have to think about donors to organs, even limbs, and if a Turian liver could work in a human body. Again, given people could buy Human testicles to help Krogans one ponders the possibilities of genetic research to hybrids.



Again nothing is certain but really the main issue is if Bioware really feels this needs to be expanded beyond theory when Mass Effect is about stopping Reapers not making babies.



In this world, and Mass Effect, stating something as impossible is an impossible statement. Nothing is impossible to believe.



But I tell you...the script to explain all this would bore even Mordin...I'm impressed you even got this far!

[phatpat63]

No, just no.

[EternalWolfe]

PimplyPete wrote...

I understand that they look Asari, but don't they inherit some trait from the other parent? I remember the Bartender on Illium said she got her manner's from her father.

Which could have come from being raised by him.  Most likely did.

Asari don't use genes, they somehow randomize their own genetic sequence using the genetic memory of the father species.  Or something like that, I'd have to pull up the info to get it exact.

[Loot Scrounger]

Why have hybrids at all. One of the best things about ME is the diversity of different species and cultures.

I for one don't think Tali will look remotely human facially if they ever take her mask off, seeing as her body dosen't look remotely human apart from the fact that she is a biped.

You know why the Asari were so eager to let the human race join the council races, finally a species that we actually find attractive lol.

[flux gt]

I'd have more luck impregnating my sons guinea pig than you would a Quarian. In fact I'd have more luck with a jelly fish. Other than the fact the we are assuming that bipedal form is the goto physical shape for intelligent being's we would have nothing in common with any of the species in ME universe.

[Stinkface27]

No and yuck.

[Poison_Berrie]

The only hybrid child in Mass Effect is the gameplay.

And how could I fool myself into thinking it was going to be about that.

[Loot Scrounger]

I can't see how Bioware will resist making Tali look like the Predator's sister after all of the fan love out there. That would be just too funny to pass up.

[Lord Coake]

No hybrid kids. I like that Mass Effect tries to stick to how biology works.



Yes, genetic engineering could likely pull it off, but not only is it forbidden, but the parents wouldn't be doing any favors for their kid. Theres plenty or orphans of pretty much every race, Shep and [alien interest] can pass their legacy on that way.



It's the same stance Palladium has in it's RPG settings. Cross-species reproduction is impossible without huge outside interference. Does that mean that a human and say, a Quarian can't have a strong relationship that's both emotionally and physically fulfilling? By no means. In fact, I can see such a relationship being a lot stronger than usual. Shepard and, say, Tali will have to work much harder with each other to build something together and they both know it.



AS for genetic engineering, I could actually see that as a story hook. An insane Salarian scientist combining alien DNA to create "new, improved" versions of "base subjects" by combining, say, Quarian DNA with the robust diversity and adaptability of Human genetics. Or Drell, Asari, you see where I'm going.



Such a storyline could be made into a real heartbreaker. The openings for character-shaking moral choices and emotional repercussions would be huge.



Going with Shepard and Tali, just imagine if they discovered some scientist had in fact stolen medical samples of their DNA and managed to engineer a few or several hybrids, and that most of them are unstable and dying, some unborn, some as infants. Do they kill the hybrids out of mercy? Take them in? Why did the scientist do this?



Paragon or Renegade, just picture the reactions of the two.



So, yeah. No hybrids, at least, not without consequences.

[EnvyXx]

maybe you get Liara pregnant, and someway somehow it ends up being a human(looking) child

[Llandaryn]

Loot Scrounger wrote...

I can't see how Bioware will resist making Tali look like the Predator's sister after all of the fan love out there. That would be just too funny to pass up.

I like to think they'll stick Alistair's head on her. I would laugh.

[thatguy212]

Llandaryn wrote...

Loot Scrounger wrote...

I can't see how Bioware will resist making Tali look like the Predator's sister after all of the fan love out there. That would be just too funny to pass up.

I like to think they'll stick Alistair's head on her. I would laugh.

I personally would like them to put a michael jackson face on her just because of the people that said miranda look like mj

[tiberius_adamantine]

guise709 wrote...

Found it!

Its in the secondary codex entries Humanity and the Systems Alliance under the Genetic Engineering Tab.


http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries
ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal. Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medial applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council.

Thank you for finding this information, it confirms a compatibility between living organisms that originate on different planents. I would like to address what some have claimed, that human and alien genetics are incompatible. This simply is not true. As is seen in this codex entry, organisms with very different origins may still be compatible and hybridized. Occording to what some have claimed, this would not be possible but Mass Effect's own codex confirms that it is. They have said that hybridization couldn't occur because the human and quarian are too different, but what do they have to compare it to? Modern science itself doesn't hold all the answers and too many things are unknown. It is not know, for instance, what would occur in this situation because nothing like this has occured. So maybe before the critics cite biology, they should consider the facts. Based on what is known, both through observation and Mass Effect's own entries, and what is unknown to everyone, it is more than possible to have a hybrid child.

[Sigma Tauri]

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:56 .

[corebit]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

guise709 wrote...

Found it!

Its in the secondary codex entries Humanity and the Systems Alliance under the Genetic Engineering Tab.


http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries
ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal. Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medial applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council.

Thank you for finding this information, it confirms a compatibility between living organisms that originate on different planents. I would like to address what some have claimed, that human and alien genetics are incompatible. This simply is not true. As is seen in this codex entry, organisms with very different origins may still be compatible and hybridized. Occording to what some have claimed, this would not be possible but Mass Effect's own codex confirms that it is. They have said that hybridization couldn't occur because the human and quarian are too different, but what do they have to compare it to? Modern science itself doesn't hold all the answers and too many things are unknown. It is not know, for instance, what would occur in this situation because nothing like this has occured. So maybe before the critics cite biology, they should consider the facts. Based on what is known, both through observation and Mass Effect's own entries, and what is unknown to everyone, it is more than possible to have a hybrid child.

What facts are you saying? That Codex entry is simply saying it's illegal. Do we have any real examples of hybridization in the ME series? No. There is absolutely no evidence of a single hybrid child in the ME universe, and while it is science fiction, it has enough basis in real science to make the setting more credible.

And what does real science say? If you cannot even produce hybrid offspring with chimps whose DNA is 99% the same as humans, then there's ZERO, ZILCH chance with an alien.

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

Natural cross-breading is totally impossible.



Bioengineering might be possible but it's highly illegal, unethical and I can't imagine any organisation interested in doing this. Official companies wouldn't risk a capital crime just out of curiosity what would happen. Cerberus wouldn't agree. They are too proud of being human to mix with other species. Crazy scientists? That would be extremely lame excuse to explain where did a hybrid came from.

[tiberius_adamantine]

corebit wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

guise709 wrote...

Found it!

Its in the secondary codex entries Humanity and the Systems Alliance under the Genetic Engineering Tab.


http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries
ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal. Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medial applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council.

Thank you for finding this information, it confirms a compatibility between living organisms that originate on different planents. I would like to address what some have claimed, that human and alien genetics are incompatible. This simply is not true. As is seen in this codex entry, organisms with very different origins may still be compatible and hybridized. Occording to what some have claimed, this would not be possible but Mass Effect's own codex confirms that it is. They have said that hybridization couldn't occur because the human and quarian are too different, but what do they have to compare it to? Modern science itself doesn't hold all the answers and too many things are unknown. It is not know, for instance, what would occur in this situation because nothing like this has occured. So maybe before the critics cite biology, they should consider the facts. Based on what is known, both through observation and Mass Effect's own entries, and what is unknown to everyone, it is more than possible to have a hybrid child.

What facts are you saying? That Codex entry is simply saying it's illegal. Do we have any real examples of hybridization in the ME series? No. There is absolutely no evidence of a single hybrid child in the ME universe, and while it is science fiction, it has enough basis in real science to make the setting more credible.

And what does real science say? If you cannot even produce hybrid offspring with chimps whose DNA is 99% the same as humans, then there's ZERO, ZILCH chance with an alien.

First, it has already been explained in previous posts as to why there has been no mention of a hybrid, mostly do to the rarity of relationships that may provide it and to the fact that the developers haven't explored this possibility yet. Second, I have already pointed out the flaws in what you call "real science". With the right explaination, the developers could easily justify the creation of a hybrid child.

[Sigma Tauri]

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:56 .