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[FenixPendragon]

Thoughts:

Can't Tali and Shepherd be happy with each other and simply adopt children? I mean it seems like there are still orphans and the unwanted in the galaxy. I am sure this will be even more the case after the battles in ME3.

It seems like a better option than trying to create something freakish in a lab by trial and error. After all isn't this what Mordin (and others) is railing against throughout the game?

As hard as it is if Tali cannot be happy without having children she needs to abandon Shepherd. If Shepherd sees Tali wants children and will never be happy unless she has her own then maybe Shepherd needs to walk away and do what is best for Tali (saving her from a life of sincere misery).
 
As Eldon Tyrell said "Revel in your time!"

Modifié par FenixPendragon, 22 février 2010 - 02:45 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

FenixPendragon wrote...

Thoughts:

Can't Tali and Shepherd be happy with each other and simply adopt children? I mean it seems like there are still orphans and the unwanted in the galaxy. I am sure this will be even more the case after the battles in ME3.

It seems like a better option than trying to create something freakish in a lab by trial and error. After all isn't this what Mordin (and others) is railing against throughout the game?

As hard as it is if Tali cannot be happy without having children she needs to abandon Shepherd. If Shepherd sees Tali wants children and will never be happy unless she has her own then maybe Shepherd needs to walk away and do what is best for Tali (saving her from a life of sincere misery).

I guess that you just don't get it. The possibility is there, why not explore it? Shouldn't they have the same chance that the other couples have? I'm not talking about a lab mutant being born, the child won't be some freak. It may need a little help but that doesn't make it any less valuable. The child should be born and conceived like any other, it simply just takes a little more.  

[IronVanguard]

Well, with the power of modern medical science....

[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

FenixPendragon wrote...

Thoughts:

Can't Tali and Shepherd be happy with each other and simply adopt children? I mean it seems like there are still orphans and the unwanted in the galaxy. I am sure this will be even more the case after the battles in ME3.

It seems like a better option than trying to create something freakish in a lab by trial and error. After all isn't this what Mordin (and others) is railing against throughout the game?

As hard as it is if Tali cannot be happy without having children she needs to abandon Shepherd. If Shepherd sees Tali wants children and will never be happy unless she has her own then maybe Shepherd needs to walk away and do what is best for Tali (saving her from a life of sincere misery).

I guess that you just don't get it. The possibility is there, why not explore it? Shouldn't they have the same chance that the other couples have? I'm not talking about a lab mutant being born, the child won't be some freak. It may need a little help but that doesn't make it any less valuable. The child should be born and conceived like any other, it simply just takes a little more.  

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

Modifié par Sn0wst0rm, 23 février 2010 - 05:59 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

If Bioware changes their the already established biological facts in the ME Universe to make Tali fanboys happy, I will vomit.

Seconded.

[Raja Indo]

By the same logic - technically speaking humans and apes only differ by 1 chromosome... yet we cannot produce offspring.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

You clearly haven't read the previous posts. First, we do share some dna with Quarians as
is pointed out in the Original post. Second, human dna IS compatible with alien dna, just read this http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries   .
Third, the complete genetics of any alien race is UNKNOWN.
 
Fourth, the technology in Mass Effect can likely correct the potential defects in the child and
even likely make conception even more likely.

Fifth, modern science doesn't know much about what is on earth, what could it possibly know
about alien life. It has nothing to compare it too.

Sixth,  the developers have plenty of room to justify the creation of a hybrid child. All it would take
is an explaination.

Seventh, this has NOTHING to do with fanservice. This is a potentially powerful element that can
be incorporated into the story. Even though I focused on human-quarian child, I am willing to keep
an open mind and support the possibilities of other hybrid children.

I would also like to point this out: chimpanzees DO NOT share 99% of our dna. The test that made
this assumption was inaccurate. Chimpanzees are now known to share less than 95% of our dna.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 25 février 2010 - 05:02 .

[Andaius20]

Is confused didn't see anything in you link about human being compatible with any alien life known

[tiberius_adamantine]

Andaius20 wrote...

Is confused didn't see anything in you link about human being compatible with any alien life known

briefly mentions the use of genetic engineering to gain useful alien qualities.
"Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal", for example.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 24 février 2010 - 02:26 .

[EternalWolfe]

Andaius20 wrote...

Is confused didn't see anything in you link about human being compatible with any alien life known

I believe he means:

"ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal."

Of course, that doesn't mean that any of the aliens can produce offspring outside of heavy interference(which is illegal).  It could just mean that not all alien races have dna that we can take genes from and engineer into ourselves.

[this isnt my name]

Quaarias have dextro ammino acids, humjans have ammino acids, no chance.

[Andaius20]

That can mean anything however, compatible might just mean the have the same DNA structure. It still says they have to go through heavy genetic engineering that is also heavily illegal.

[tiberius_adamantine]

this isnt my name wrote...

Quaarias have dextro ammino acids, humjans have ammino acids, no chance.

This has already been addressed in previous posts.

Also, if a modification were needed using genetic engineering, it might not neccessarily be illegal. Besides, the Alliance couldn't do anything about it and the Council wouldn't care, not that they would need to know anyway.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Andaius20 wrote...

That can mean anything however, compatible might just mean the have the same DNA structure. It still says they have to go through heavy genetic engineering that is also heavily illegal.

It means the possibility is there. Besides, it doesn't say "heavy" genetic engineering is required. Modifications are performed on soldiers regularly after all.

[Andaius20]

Oh so you wouldn't need to do "heavy" modification to the square peg to fit it in the round hole now? You'd have enen more so because human and quarian DNA aren't even remotely similar. I think only Asari can eve neat the same foods as humans....What did Mordin say? "Oral contact with tissue dangerous"

Modifié par Andaius20, 24 février 2010 - 02:47 .

[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

You clearly haven't read the previous posts. First, we do share some dna with Quarians as is pointed out in the Original post. Second, human dna IS compatible with alien dna, just read this http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries   .
Third, the complete genetics of any alien race is UNKNOWN.
 
Fourth, the technology in Mass Effect can likely correct the potential defects in the child and even likely make conception even more likely.

Fifth, modern science doesn't know much about what is on earth, what could it possibly know about alien life. It has nothing to compare it too.

Sixth,  the developers have plenty of room to justify the creation of a hybrid child. All it would take is an explaination.

Seventh, this has NOTHING to do with fanservice. This is a potentially powerful element that can be incorporated into the story. Even though I focused on human-quarian child, I am willing to keep an open mind and support the possibilities of other hybrid children.

I would also like to point this out: chimpanzees DO NOT share 99% of our dna. The test that made this assumption was inaccurate. Chimpanzees are now known to share less than 95% of our dna.

You sir, have just been LABELED: BUSH!

1) Do you even read the links that you put in your posts?

2) Your lack of references is awsome. 
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian#Biology
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Turian#Biology
    
So, Turians and Quarians are based on dextro amino acids, while Humans are levo amino acid based.
Since reading comprehension either isn't your strong suite, or you are ignoring contraindicators to strenthen        your arguement; let me simplify this for you. Their amino acids formed differently, it makes their food and biology incompatable with ours.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics#Sequence_divergence_between_humans_and_apes

Current estimates on Chimp-Human DNA similarity are as LOW as 70%. Not 5%.

3) Your own reference actually hurts your arguement, as the council and the alliance have laws against hybridization.

4) You claim its not about fanservice, then try to justify the possiblity of having hybrid babies because Bioware left open "room to justify it". Do you understand what fanservice is?

5) Have you even palyed the games?

Modifié par Sn0wst0rm, 24 février 2010 - 03:12 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

You clearly haven't read the previous posts. First, we do share some dna with Quarians as is pointed out in the Original post. Second, human dna IS compatible with alien dna, just read this http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries   .
Third, the complete genetics of any alien race is UNKNOWN.
 
Fourth, the technology in Mass Effect can likely correct the potential defects in the child and even likely make conception even more likely.

Fifth, modern science doesn't know much about what is on earth, what could it possibly know about alien life. It has nothing to compare it too.

Sixth,  the developers have plenty of room to justify the creation of a hybrid child. All it would take is an explaination.

Seventh, this has NOTHING to do with fanservice. This is a potentially powerful element that can be incorporated into the story. Even though I focused on human-quarian child, I am willing to keep an open mind and support the possibilities of other hybrid children.

I would also like to point this out: chimpanzees DO NOT share 99% of our dna. The test that made this assumption was inaccurate. Chimpanzees are now known to share less than 95% of our dna.

Do you even read the links that you put in your posts?

Yeah, I did. It blows a hole in the theory that human and alien dna are incompatible. What I've been pointing out is that there are ways to make it work. The developers have left ways of explaining how it could work. All they really need to do is decide to make it happen, the rest will fall into place.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 25 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[A Disgruntled C-Sec Officer]

As said many times, this is still a fictional world and, we know nothing or very little about alien genes, so who is to say it's impossible?

You can scream no as much as you want but again you don't know for sure, (Unless Bioware states it).

[Sn0wst0rm]

A Disgruntled C-Sec Officer wrote...

As said many times, this is still a fictional world and, we know nothing or very little about alien genes, so who is to say it's impossible?
You can scream no as much as you want but again you don't know for sure, (Unless Bioware states it).

This is Science Fiction; not Fantasy. The information that Bioware has provided makes any sort of naturally occuring hybrid impossible. If you think its possible, you have not had enough biology.

[4lex_7ru]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

A Disgruntled C-Sec Officer wrote...

As said many times, this is still a fictional world and, we know nothing or very little about alien genes, so who is to say it's impossible?
You can scream no as much as you want but again you don't know for sure, (Unless Bioware states it).

This is Science Fiction; not Fantasy. The information that Bioware has provided makes any sort of naturally occuring hybrid impossible. If you think its possible, you have not had enough biology.

Agreed, it's just not possible in any natural way shape or form.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

A Disgruntled C-Sec Officer wrote...

As said many times, this is still a fictional world and, we know nothing or very little about alien genes, so who is to say it's impossible?
You can scream no as much as you want but again you don't know for sure, (Unless Bioware states it).

This is Science Fiction; not Fantasy. The information that Bioware has provided makes any sort of naturally occuring hybrid impossible. If you think its possible, you have not had enough biology.

And I keep telling you, Bioware has left out quite a bit of information. When you review what is known, it doesn't conflict with the possibility. And you clearly don't get that without this missing information, you're "biology" doesn't mean as much. Besides, I've already pointed out that modern science doesn't know enough to say something regarding this for certain, too much is unknown even to our scientists.

[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

You clearly haven't read the previous posts. First, we do share some dna with Quarians as is pointed out in the Original post. Second, human dna IS compatible with alien dna, just read this http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries   .
Third, the complete genetics of any alien race is UNKNOWN.
 
Fourth, the technology in Mass Effect can likely correct the potential defects in the child and even likely make conception even more likely.

Fifth, modern science doesn't know much about what is on earth, what could it possibly know about alien life. It has nothing to compare it too.

Sixth,  the developers have plenty of room to justify the creation of a hybrid child. All it would take is an explaination.

Seventh, this has NOTHING to do with fanservice. This is a potentially powerful element that can be incorporated into the story. Even though I focused on human-quarian child, I am willing to keep an open mind and support the possibilities of other hybrid children.

I would also like to point this out: chimpanzees DO NOT share 99% of our dna. The test that made this assumption was inaccurate. Chimpanzees are now known to share less than 95% of our dna.

You sir, have just been LABELED: BUSH!

1) Do you even read the links that you put in your posts?

2) Your lack of references is awsome. 
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian#Biology
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Turian#Biology
    
So, Turians and Quarians are based on dextro amino acids, while Humans are levo amino acid based.
Since
reading comprehension either isn't your strong suite, or you are
ignoring contraindicators to strenthen        your arguement; let me
simplify this for you. Their amino acids formed differently, it makes
their food and biology incompatable with ours.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics#Sequence_divergence_between_humans_and_apes

Current estimates on Chimp-Human DNA similarity are as LOW as 70%. Not 5%.

3) Your own reference actually hurts your arguement, as the council and the alliance have laws against hybridization.

4)
You claim its not about fanservice, then try to justify the possiblity
of having hybrid babies because Bioware left open "room to justify it".
Do you understand what fanservice is?

5) Have you even palyed the games?

Yeah, I did. It blows a hole in the theory that human and alien dna are incompatible. What I've been pointing out is that there are ways to make it work. The developers have left ways of explaining how it could work. All they really need to do is decide to make it happen, the rest will fall into place.

Fanservice.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

You clearly haven't read the previous posts. First, we do share some dna with Quarians as is pointed out in the Original post. Second, human dna IS compatible with alien dna, just read this http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries   .
Third, the complete genetics of any alien race is UNKNOWN.
 
Fourth, the technology in Mass Effect can likely correct the potential defects in the child and even likely make conception even more likely.

Fifth, modern science doesn't know much about what is on earth, what could it possibly know about alien life. It has nothing to compare it too.

Sixth,  the developers have plenty of room to justify the creation of a hybrid child. All it would take is an explaination.

Seventh, this has NOTHING to do with fanservice. This is a potentially powerful element that can be incorporated into the story. Even though I focused on human-quarian child, I am willing to keep an open mind and support the possibilities of other hybrid children.

I would also like to point this out: chimpanzees DO NOT share 99% of our dna. The test that made this assumption was inaccurate. Chimpanzees are now known to share less than 95% of our dna.

1) Do you even read the links that you put in your posts?

2) Your lack of references is awsome. 
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian#Biology
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Turian#Biology
    
So, Turians and Quarians are based on dextro amino acids, while Humans are levo amino acid based.
Since
reading comprehension either isn't your strong suite, or you are
ignoring contraindicators to strenthen        your arguement; let me
simplify this for you. Their amino acids formed differently, it makes
their food and biology incompatable with ours.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics#Sequence_divergence_between_humans_and_apes

Current estimates on Chimp-Human DNA similarity are as LOW as 70%. Not 5%.

3) Your own reference actually hurts your arguement, as the council and the alliance have laws against hybridization.

4)
You claim its not about fanservice, then try to justify the possiblity
of having hybrid babies because Bioware left open "room to justify it".
Do you understand what fanservice is?

5) Have you even palyed the games?

Yeah, I did. It blows a hole in the theory that human and alien dna are incompatible. What I've been pointing out is that there are ways to make it work. The developers have left ways of explaining how it could work. All they really need to do is decide to make it happen, the rest will fall into place.

Fanservice.

First: I've already addressed the amino acid issue. Clearly you didn't read that. Show me your
undisputable proof that it won't work. Can't can you?

Second: I said less than 95% similarity between chimps and humans. Being as low as 70%
actually helps a previous argument.

Third: It may or may not be illegal, doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

Fourth: I don't see how a potentially powerful story element can only be seen as fanservice.
Storywise this could have a big impact on things in that universe.

Five: I have played the games. I have yet to see a confirmation that this is impossible. You
seem content to spout evidence that simply isn't there to contridict me.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 25 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[Octorox]

 Interesting. You obviously put a lot of thought into this. However, I think adoption is probably the safer option...

[tiberius_adamantine]

Octorox wrote...

 Interesting. You obviously put a lot of thought into this. However, I think adoption is probably the safer option...

I can respect that opinion. Thank you for being polite about it. 

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 24 février 2010 - 03:59 .