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[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

There is zero possiblity of what you want happening. There is no genetic compatability between Humans and Quarians. The only way that a "hybrid" of these sepcies would ever happen is with genetic engineering so complex that what is created would not be a hybrid at all. I have read several threads on these forums regarding Tali fans wishes for a Shep-Tali baby. The science regarding this is made very clear in both Mass Effect 1 and 2, it is not possible. The biological differences between species is far too vast for this to ever occur. The only way that this could happen is to change established biological facts, which at this point is just rediculous to do for fanservice.

You clearly haven't read the previous posts. First, we do share some dna with Quarians as is pointed out in the Original post. Second, human dna IS compatible with alien dna, just read this http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries   .
Third, the complete genetics of any alien race is UNKNOWN.
 
Fourth, the technology in Mass Effect can likely correct the potential defects in the child and even likely make conception even more likely.

Fifth, modern science doesn't know much about what is on earth, what could it possibly know about alien life. It has nothing to compare it too.

Sixth,  the developers have plenty of room to justify the creation of a hybrid child. All it would take is an explaination.

Seventh, this has NOTHING to do with fanservice. This is a potentially powerful element that can be incorporated into the story. Even though I focused on human-quarian child, I am willing to keep an open mind and support the possibilities of other hybrid children.

I would also like to point this out: chimpanzees DO NOT share 99% of our dna. The test that made this assumption was inaccurate. Chimpanzees are now known to share less than 95% of our dna.

You sir, have just been LABELED: BUSH!

1) Do you even read the links that you put in your posts?

2) Your lack of references is awsome. 
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian#Biology
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Turian#Biology
    
So, Turians and Quarians are based on dextro amino acids, while Humans are levo amino acid based.
Since
reading comprehension either isn't your strong suite, or you are
ignoring contraindicators to strenthen        your arguement; let me
simplify this for you. Their amino acids formed differently, it makes
their food and biology incompatable with ours.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics#Sequence_divergence_between_humans_and_apes

Current estimates on Chimp-Human DNA similarity are as LOW as 70%. Not 5%.

3) Your own reference actually hurts your arguement, as the council and the alliance have laws against hybridization.

4)
You claim its not about fanservice, then try to justify the possiblity
of having hybrid babies because Bioware left open "room to justify it".
Do you understand what fanservice is?

5) Have you even palyed the games?

Yeah, I did. It blows a hole in the theory that human and alien dna are incompatible. What I've been pointing out is that there are ways to make it work. The developers have left ways of explaining how it could work. All they really need to do is decide to make it happen, the rest will fall into place.

Fanservice.

Alright, I'm sensing a challenge here. very well.

First: I've already addressed the amino acid issue. Clearly you didn't read that. Show me your
undisputable proof that it won't work. Can't can you?

Second: I said less than 95% similarity between chimps and humans. Being as low as 70%
actually helps a previous argument.

Third: It may or may not be illegal, doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

Fourth: I don't see how a potentially powerful story element can only be seen as fanservice.
Storywise this could have a big impact on things in that universe.

Five: I have played the games. I have yet to see a confirmation that this is impossible. You
seem content to spout evidence that simply isn't there to contridict me.

1) No, you did not address this. One will take dominance? Do you understand what amino acids are?

2) I see that I misread your statement, congrats. If you want to pretend that a lifeform from a distinct line of creature on another planet has more in common with humans than our closest evolutionary relative(which we cannot reproduce with), you clearly are not informed enough to argue your case.

3) Changing established bioengineering laws to make a hybrid baby is fanservice.

4) F-A-N-S-E-R-V-I-C-E.

5) The evidence is not in question; your ability to interpret it rationally is.

[ElizabethDeLoria]

Can't they just get like a dog or something? Wouldn't that be easier?

[EternalWolfe]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Fourth: I don't see how a potentially powerful story element can only be seen as fanservice.
Storywise this could have a big impact on things in that universe.

Please don't try to to play this as that.  We both know the main reason to put in a hybrid is to please the Tali fans.  Could it be an element with a big impact?  Yes.  But the real reason will be fanservice.  And, truthfully, I don't see Bioware bringing a child into this, hybrid or no.  You say it could make a big impact, but there are relativitily few uses for a baby - especially considering that not everyone romanced a character, which means it would have only side-line effects at best.

[Dualcode]

Honestly, i'd rather my FemShep has a kid with Samara or Morinth (latter is unlikely due to you prolly..well if you got that far you know). I just dont like Liara and well, other Races are only a step short from impossible without massive genetic rewriting and work. Lazarus Project? Piece of Cake compared to that. They only had to bring back one single Human, which while quite a miracle in its own right, does not strike similarly to cross-species breeding or genetic engineering. They'd kill alot of "Kids" before they would even get close to producing one that survives long enough to be considered a breakthrough.



So alot of Kids die basicly, even more until they finally get it right to the Point that the Offspring is actually capable of living, learning, breathing and eating without outside help. And even then we have to factor in certain difficulties within the galactic community, or rather both races. For example a Turian/Human Offspring would only face Problems and Hate everywhere it goes due to A: The First Contact War and B: Due to being considered a Abomination by both Races. I mean just consider us today, theres Hate because of skincolor, even though we are all human, now amplify that 10 times over with two different species producing offspring. Generally while the Idea could be possible, it will never exist outside of Fandom if even there, as its Logistically impossible, you can not get that much Money to actually finish the Work and even if you could, if it would produce any sort of Breakthrough in that department, TMI, Shepard, the Reapers and everyone is probably all long Stuff for Historybooks, as neither of them will be around to see it. Not sure about the Reapers but..yeah TMI and Shep will both be dead, hell even Liara would be and shes only 106 (108 by ME2)

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

First: I've already addressed the amino acid issue. Clearly you didn't read that. Show me your
undisputable proof that it won't work. Can't can you?

Second: I said less than 95% similarity between chimps and humans. Being as low as 70%
actually helps a previous argument.

Third: It may or may not be illegal, doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

Fourth: I don't see how a potentially powerful story element can only be seen as fanservice.
Storywise this could have a big impact on things in that universe.

Five: I have played the games. I have yet to see a confirmation that this is impossible. You
seem content to spout evidence that simply isn't there to contridict me.

1) No, you did not address this. One will take dominance? Do you understand what amino acids are?

2) I see that I misread your statement, congrats. If you want to pretend that a lifeform from a distinct line of creature on another planet has more in common with humans than our closest evolutionary relative(which we cannot reproduce with), you clearly are not informed enough to argue your case.

3) Changing established bioengineering laws to make a hybrid baby is fanservice.

4) F-A-N-S-E-R-V-I-C-E.

5) The evidence is not in question; your ability to interpret it rationally is.

1) Like I asked, can you disprove it? Rationally, it would make since for the baby to have the
mother's amino acids.

2) YOU, don't have the evidence to say that this is not true. I've already told you that since the
full code is not known, you CAN'T  argue this point against me.

3)Accepting a good idea is not fanservice. Maybe they were going to do it, maybe they weren't
but now like the idea? Who knows? Does it really matter if it works?

4)Keep things serious. You can't degrade it by calling it something so cheap.

5)Like I said, you essentially have no evidence to say this couldn't work. So who is being irrational?
The person exploring the possibility, of the person who denies it on evidence he doesn't have?

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 25 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[ElizabethDeLoria]

I've always understood that if for some crazy reason Bioware wanted a hybrid child, they'd find some sort of way to do it considering it's their story and they can pretty much just pull a rabbit out of their space hat and shout 'HEY GUYS, LOOK, GENETIC ENGINEERING, WE COULD DO THIS ALL ALONG IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY COME UP!'

I mean, Miranda says she was 'grown,' right? So obviously you don't actually have to carry a child in a womb. I mean seriously, they have space ships and lazers. Surely they have exowombs.

But I mean I, personally, don't really see why this would ever come up, really. (To be honest I have a feeling that a Turian/Human child would be ugly as sin anyway.)

Modifié par ElizabethDeLoria, 24 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

This isn't for fanservice, It is to hopefully benefit the story. It wouldn't come up really until the end,

but would still be powerful. All hybrid possibilities are welcome on the forum. As for appearance,

that could be engineered before it is born, the codex supports this. I think it is rude to say this

is just fanservice.

[ElizabethDeLoria]

I just don't see it any other way. There's a universe to save and I don't see Shepard sitting down with Tali and saying 'WELL WE'RE FACING DEATH (AGAIN) AND WE MIGHT ALL DIE (AGAIN) BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CHILD WITH YOU ANYWAY!' Plotwise I just can't see it fitting, but idk. If I was on the Normandy I'd be a bit more concerned about the giant legion of space doom heading towards us.

But hey, that's just me. I never said it was fanservice. Maybe if they added a little epilouge maybe but that's not really story beneficial imo.

(Not to fob the idea off. It's an interesting concept, definitley.)

Modifié par ElizabethDeLoria, 24 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Alright, I'm sensing a challenge here. very well.

First: I've already addressed the amino acid issue. Clearly you didn't read that. Show me your
undisputable proof that it won't work. Can't can you?

Second: I said less than 95% similarity between chimps and humans. Being as low as 70%
actually helps a previous argument.

Third: It may or may not be illegal, doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

Fourth: I don't see how a potentially powerful story element can only be seen as fanservice.
Storywise this could have a big impact on things in that universe.

Five: I have played the games. I have yet to see a confirmation that this is impossible. You
seem content to spout evidence that simply isn't there to contridict me.

1) No, you did not address this. One will take dominance? Do you understand what amino acids are?

2) I see that I misread your statement, congrats. If you want to pretend that a lifeform from a distinct line of creature on another planet has more in common with humans than our closest evolutionary relative(which we cannot reproduce with), you clearly are not informed enough to argue your case.

3) Changing established bioengineering laws to make a hybrid baby is fanservice.

4) F-A-N-S-E-R-V-I-C-E.

5) The evidence is not in question; your ability to interpret it rationally is.

1) Like I asked, can you disprove it? Rationally, it would make since for the baby to have the
mother's amino acids.

2) YOU, don't have the evidence to say that this is not true. I've already told you that since the
full code is not known, you CAN'T  argue this point against me.

3)Accepting a good idea is not fanservice. Maybe they were going to do it, maybe they weren't
but now like the idea? Who knows? Does it really matter if it works?

4)Keep things serious. You can't degrade it by calling it something so cheap.

5)Like I said, you essentially have no evidence to say this couldn't work. So who is being irrational?
The person exploring the possibility, of the person who denies it on evidence he doesn't have?

1) I really don't have time to teach you biochemistry. No, that is not a rational assumption.

2) Ignorant Talimancer is Ignorant. Enough information exists to show that Turians and Qaurians are fundamentally impossible to reproduce with. Amino Acids are kind of important. We can not even digest the food from their biospheres.

3) The Mass Effect Trilogy is not a love sim, the goal is not to produce a lovechild.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service

4) I am not degrading anything, what you have requested is exactly what I am calling it. It is fanservice.

5) Are you kidding? Seriously now. There is plenty of information in the codex that points to the likelyhood of a hybrid being approaching zero, and by pointing this out I am the person being unreasonable? Also, claiming that there is not any evidence is just ignorance on your part, I can't fix that for you.

[cASe383]

Maybe they'll have a hybrid between an Elcor and a cow. They both walk on four limbs so they must be compatible, right?
There's nothing in the ME universe that specifically says that it can't happen, so that means it's possible.

[ElizabethDeLoria]

cASe383 wrote...

Maybe they'll have a hybrid between an Elcor and a cow. They both walk on four limbs so they must be compatible, right?
There's nothing in the ME universe that specifically says that it can't happen, so that means it's possible.

This, so much.
Seriously, they made up the Drell race PURELY to woo us ladies. (And they did a damned good job, too.) What makes you think they can't just make up a way to have half breed Talimance children if they wanted to?

It's a game. If they want to make a race of dancing tophats then it can happen. Anything can happen in Mass Effect.

Modifié par ElizabethDeLoria, 24 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

1) Like I asked, can you disprove it? Rationally, it would make since for the baby to have the
mother's amino acids.

2) YOU, don't have the evidence to say that this is not true. I've already told you that since the
full code is not known, you CAN'T  argue this point against me.

3)Accepting a good idea is not fanservice. Maybe they were going to do it, maybe they weren't
but now like the idea? Who knows? Does it really matter if it works?

4)Keep things serious. You can't degrade it by calling it something so cheap.

5)Like I said, you essentially have no evidence to say this couldn't work. So who is being irrational?
The person exploring the possibility, of the person who denies it on evidence he doesn't have?

1) I really don't have time to teach you biochemistry. No, that is not a rational assumption.

2) Ignorant Talimancer is Ignorant. Enough information exists to show that Turians and Qaurians are fundamentally impossible to reproduce with. Amino Acids are kind of important. We can not even digest the food from their biospheres.

3) The Mass Effect Trilogy is not a love sim, the goal is not to produce a lovechild.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service

4) I am not degrading anything, what you have requested is exactly what I am calling it. It is fanservice.

5) Are you kidding? Seriously now. There is plenty of information in the codex that points to the likelyhood of a hybrid being approaching zero, and by pointing this out I am the person being unreasonable? Also, claiming that there is not any evidence is just ignorance on your part, I can't fix that for you.

1) I already told you time and time again. You have no bases for this. Situation hasn't occured.

2)This is not indicated. They are different, as is to be expected, but how different is unknown.
The codex doesn't disprove the possibility, it just gives VERY limited information.

3) No one was suggesting a love sim. A child at the end would hardly make it one.

4)You clearly don't have an eye for literary potential.

5) You shouldn't make the assumption of an impossibility without the proper knowledge.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 24 février 2010 - 04:55 .

[cASe383]

This is a troll thread, right?

[ElizabethDeLoria]

cASe383 wrote...

This is a troll thread, right?

Any man of science would know this. XD

[cASe383]

ElizabethDeLoria wrote...

cASe383 wrote...

Maybe they'll have a hybrid between an Elcor and a cow. They both walk on four limbs so they must be compatible, right?
There's nothing in the ME universe that specifically says that it can't happen, so that means it's possible.

This, so much.
Seriously, they made up the Drell race PURELY to woo us ladies. (And they did a damned good job, too.) What makes you think they can't just make up a way to have half breed Talimance children if they wanted to?

It's a game. If they want to make a race of dancing tophats then it can happen. Anything can happen in Mass Effect.

And the dancing tophats could have hybrid babies with Hanar.

[tiberius_adamantine]

ElizabethDeLoria wrote...

cASe383 wrote...

This is a troll thread, right?

Any man of science would know this. XD

sorry, you're right. I'll try to be more respectfull.

[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

1) Like I asked, can you disprove it? Rationally, it would make since for the baby to have the
mother's amino acids.

2) YOU, don't have the evidence to say that this is not true. I've already told you that since the
full code is not known, you CAN'T  argue this point against me.

3)Accepting a good idea is not fanservice. Maybe they were going to do it, maybe they weren't
but now like the idea? Who knows? Does it really matter if it works?

4)Keep things serious. You can't degrade it by calling it something so cheap.

5)Like I said, you essentially have no evidence to say this couldn't work. So who is being irrational?
The person exploring the possibility, of the person who denies it on evidence he doesn't have?

1) I really don't have time to teach you biochemistry. No, that is not a rational assumption.

2) Ignorant Talimancer is Ignorant. Enough information exists to show that Turians and Qaurians are fundamentally impossible to reproduce with. Amino Acids are kind of important. We can not even digest the food from their biospheres.

3) The Mass Effect Trilogy is not a love sim, the goal is not to produce a lovechild.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service

4) I am not degrading anything, what you have requested is exactly what I am calling it. It is fanservice.

5) Are you kidding? Seriously now. There is plenty of information in the codex that points to the likelyhood of a hybrid being approaching zero, and by pointing this out I am the person being unreasonable? Also, claiming that there is not any evidence is just ignorance on your part, I can't fix that for you.

1) I already told you time and time again. You have no bases for this. Situation hasn't occured.

2)This is not indicated. They are different, as is to be expected, but how different is unknown.
The codex doesn't disprove the possibility, it just gives VERY limited information.

3) No one was suggesting a love sim. A child at the end would hardly make it one.

4)You clearly don't have an eye for literary potential.

5) Making the assumption of an impossibility without the proper knowledge is ignorant.

That was the most uninspired troll response I have seen; no new material. I am embarassed that I am responding to it. Also, its basis. LERN TWO SPEEL.

[Space Shot]

If a man cannot have a child with a chimp then there is no possible way that there can be any love child between any human and any alien....besides the Asari but they are made of lies, anyway. It's not simply a matter of structural mechanics, it's a matter of molecular physics and you cannot undergo any of the genetic processes of reproduction with hereditary material with no common evolutionary histories.

Though come to think of it we are changing mass with electricity so the issue is moot in any case. Bioware can do what they want with their fiction, but I doubt that you'll be making any multi-mandibled Hurians in ME3.

Modifié par Space Shot, 24 février 2010 - 04:56 .

[ElizabethDeLoria]

A Hurian sounds like some sort of delicious Mexican treat.

[Karl45]

Unless Tali fans take Bioware hostage and make them create some inconceivable way of this happening then no.



Future doesn't = magic

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

1) Like I asked, can you disprove it? Rationally, it would make since for the baby to have the
mother's amino acids.

2) YOU, don't have the evidence to say that this is not true. I've already told you that since the
full code is not known, you CAN'T  argue this point against me.

3)Accepting a good idea is not fanservice. Maybe they were going to do it, maybe they weren't
but now like the idea? Who knows? Does it really matter if it works?

4)Keep things serious. You can't degrade it by calling it something so cheap.

5)Like I said, you essentially have no evidence to say this couldn't work. So who is being irrational?
The person exploring the possibility, of the person who denies it on evidence he doesn't have?

1) I really don't have time to teach you biochemistry. No, that is not a rational assumption.

2) Ignorant Talimancer is Ignorant. Enough information exists to show that Turians and Qaurians are fundamentally impossible to reproduce with. Amino Acids are kind of important. We can not even digest the food from their biospheres.

3) The Mass Effect Trilogy is not a love sim, the goal is not to produce a lovechild.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service

4) I am not degrading anything, what you have requested is exactly what I am calling it. It is fanservice.

5) Are you kidding? Seriously now. There is plenty of information in the codex that points to the likelyhood of a hybrid being approaching zero, and by pointing this out I am the person being unreasonable? Also, claiming that there is not any evidence is just ignorance on your part, I can't fix that for you.

1) I already told you time and time again. You have no bases for this. Situation hasn't occured.

2)This is not indicated. They are different, as is to be expected, but how different is unknown.
The codex doesn't disprove the possibility, it just gives VERY limited information.

3) No one was suggesting a love sim. A child at the end would hardly make it one.

4)You clearly don't have an eye for literary potential.

5) Making the assumption of an impossibility without the proper knowledge is ignorant.

That was the most uninspired troll response I have seen; no new material. I am embarassed that I am responding to it. Also, its basis. LERN TWO SPEEL.

You say that, but then you don't provide any evidence/new evidence to the contrary.
If you want to disprove me, then show the evidence. Otherwise what I claim holds true
over what you claim. It is as simple as that. And troll? This doesn't need to turn
into some trash thread.

[cASe383]

ElizabethDeLoria wrote...

A Hurian sounds like some sort of delicious Mexican treat.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm... Dos hurian con frijoles por favor.

[Sn0wst0rm]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Sn0wst0rm wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

1) Like I asked, can you disprove it? Rationally, it would make since for the baby to have the
mother's amino acids.

2) YOU, don't have the evidence to say that this is not true. I've already told you that since the
full code is not known, you CAN'T  argue this point against me.

3)Accepting a good idea is not fanservice. Maybe they were going to do it, maybe they weren't
but now like the idea? Who knows? Does it really matter if it works?

4)Keep things serious. You can't degrade it by calling it something so cheap.

5)Like I said, you essentially have no evidence to say this couldn't work. So who is being irrational?
The person exploring the possibility, of the person who denies it on evidence he doesn't have?

1) I really don't have time to teach you biochemistry. No, that is not a rational assumption.

2) Ignorant Talimancer is Ignorant. Enough information exists to show that Turians and Qaurians are fundamentally impossible to reproduce with. Amino Acids are kind of important. We can not even digest the food from their biospheres.

3) The Mass Effect Trilogy is not a love sim, the goal is not to produce a lovechild.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service

4) I am not degrading anything, what you have requested is exactly what I am calling it. It is fanservice.

5) Are you kidding? Seriously now. There is plenty of information in the codex that points to the likelyhood of a hybrid being approaching zero, and by pointing this out I am the person being unreasonable? Also, claiming that there is not any evidence is just ignorance on your part, I can't fix that for you.

1) I already told you time and time again. You have no bases for this. Situation hasn't occured.

2)This is not indicated. They are different, as is to be expected, but how different is unknown.
The codex doesn't disprove the possibility, it just gives VERY limited information.

3) No one was suggesting a love sim. A child at the end would hardly make it one.

4)You clearly don't have an eye for literary potential.

5) Making the assumption of an impossibility without the proper knowledge is ignorant.

That was the most uninspired troll response I have seen; no new material. I am embarassed that I am responding to it. Also, its basis. LERN TWO SPEEL.

You say that, but then you don't provide any evidence/new evidence to the contrary.
If you want to disprove me, then show the evidence. Otherwise what I claim holds true
over what you claim. It is as simple as that. And troll? This doesn't need to turn
into some trash thread.

LOL, that's better.

[ElizabethDeLoria]

Karl45 wrote...

Unless Tali fans take Bioware hostage and make them create some inconceivable way of this happening then no.

Future doesn't = magic

When something like that happens... a wizard did it.

[EternalWolfe]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

4)You clearly don't have an eye for literary potential.

I'll explain this slowly - It will not affect the story in any notable way.  The mere fact you could NOT have a love intrest, the fact that your intrest could die, ect, will make sure that any baby will have ZERO impact on the main story.

The most your likely to get from this is a scene at the end of you and your love intrest holding the baby.  Your not going to get some huge changes in the story out of it, as that would be time and money better spent making content everyone would use, even other scenes within the story wouldn't have any real meaning - "Hey, I'm pregnant." - and then everything moves on with no regard to it.  The reason to put it in, then?  To please the people who not only romanced someone, but who want a hybrid child - fanservice.

Just to note: biological reproduction is out of the question - any attempt to justify it would be grasping at straws.  Most spieces would not be compatible at ALL, the Quarians(who have the most mystery around them) would be highly unlikely to be able to concieve with us, the chance of their DNA being close enough is zero for all practicality(choosing to say, "guess what, it is" would just be laziness on Bioware's part).

Bioengineering might be possible, but still has many complications, including the law, the difficulty of mixing two different species, and the fact that doing so would cause heavy reprisal from everyone(especially against the baby).

As my final point, please dont' spin this as "I think this could make a great story element'.  We both know the only reason you bring this up is your place in Tali's fandom.  This is about getting fanservice for you and those who think like you, not about making the story better.

My suggestion: Fanfics.  Its really your best bet.  On a personal note, I'm against it - because I don't think, with the current lore, that it should be possible.  Yes, Bioware can do whatever it wants, but this is my own personal opinon(sort of like your opinion that it should be possible).