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The Reapers wanted to get rid of the Rachni or ensure a war with them?


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Lyrandori

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How about that?

The Reapers, or a single Reaper, perhaps Sovereign, directly or indirectly controlled / indoctrinated the Rachni (either the whole species or just one or many Queens to influence the rest of the species) to make them hostile to any and all other aliens out there that would eventually discover them, which is exactly what happens. At one point the Rachni are discovered and it immediately results in a galatic-scale war between them and pretty much everything and everyone else, until the Krogan come and beat them back to their home world and wipe them out, that's the part we know well about.

But what if the Rachni were indoctrinated into becoming hostile so that the Rachni Wars was an actual part of the plan, and even better, the actual plan was to get the Rachni killed in that very war, that the plan itself was not to be a Rachni victory but a defeat instead, that the Reaper(s) knew about either the Krogan or that "somehow" a united galatic-scale alliance of species would be able to get rid of them (of the Rachni). Yes? No?

My reasoning:

1) Because the Reapers wanted to test what a full-fledged alliance of organic species would be able to do against an hostile race that pushed them to their limits, either to see if they were "worthy" of being invaded by the rest of the Reaper fleet or to take "samples" of observed technologies used by any given species during that war to ensure that if the rest of the Reaper fleet comes that there's nothing effective against them at play, and so the Rachni pawns had served their purpose in either being killed entirely or by being victorious (any result would have been preceeded by a war which would give a good show to the Reaper in letting them know how "effective" the current course of organic life evolution was).

2) Because the Rachni were the only truly "capable" organic life at that point in organic life evolution in the entire galaxy to effectively oppose and potentially defeat the Reapers would they (Reapers) decide to invade. With that knowledge the Reapers take on the step of ensuring victory in advance by controlling the Rachni, forcing them to become hostile and thus making certain that when (not "if") another race discovers them then it would inevitably end up in a huge war that would eventually destroy the Rachni, which in turn would "clear the way" for a true Reapers invasion of the galaxy. The only thing that might not have been foreseen in advance was the Krogans growing that fast and practically replacing the previous "threat" to the Reapers in the form of the Rachni. So the Reaper(s) who were successful in creating the Rachni Wars eventually knew about the Genophage and let its effects work by itself over time to ensure that the Krogans would indeed become too weak and scattered to pose a real threat to a Reapers galactic invasion, and when the Krogans were weak enough Sovereign started his ultimate plan with Saren... which brings us to the start of ME1...

What do you guys think?

Modifié par Lyrandori, 19 février 2010 - 01:23 .


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Lyrandori

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Anyone?

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My guess is that he was using them as fodder to secretly push towards the Citadel.

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Lightice_av

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I too guess that they were predeccessors of the geth as cannon fodder. They were easy to handle, since you only have to indoctrinate the queens to convert the entire race. I believe that they were planning on harvesting the krogans, but the defeat of the Rachni War followed by the Krogan Rebellions and the Genophage sent that plan packing.

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Well, there are definitely some assumptions here, but it's as sound a guess as one can hazard here. Based on the limited knowledge we have of the Rachni, I'd agree that they could be/are a sizeable threat to the Reapers as well. They essentially took on all other space-faring species in the galaxy and were apparently doing well until the Krogan (and their fast reproduction) entered the war. Another interesting point about "testing" unity in the galaxy as well.

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Moleculor

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Nah, I think Occam's Razor applies here: The Rachni were an attempt by Sovereign to push back the races of the council to access the Citadel, just like he was attempting with the Geth and Saren. The discovery of the Krogan was luck on the Council races part.

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luk3us

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Yes it seems more likely they were just tools to be used by Sovereign to regain control of the Citadel.

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Well, I lean more towards Sovereign/Nazara using the Rachni to retake the Citadel. But I do agree that the Reapers or the Collectors were involved with manipulating the Rachni, and I do not think we really need to doubt the queen. She probably already has enough Rachni to over-run a good portion of Citadel Space.

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I think it was a forced case of natural selection, to speed up the process of ensuring a single dominant race in the galaxy.



Both the rachni and krogan were biologically superior and could have become possible "threat species." By forcing a conflict between these and the rest of the galaxy, it ensures that either they are defeated/quelled and become not so big a future threat, or that the rachni/krogan become the only surviving sentient species in the galaxy and become technologically stagnant.

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Personally I think they were tools to soften up the combined races or the Citadel, and open a way for the Sovereign to get to the Citadel. He also may have known of the Turians, and so wanted to destroy or knock back two of the major races in the Galaxy. Reapers don't want super strong forces opposing them, they want divided and isolated races to pick off. Since the Citadel didn't respond the way it should, I think the Sovereign choose a easily controlled race to weaken and divide the organics to open his path to the next cycle.


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As already stated, the Rachni were used to reach the Citadel, and would have done so if they didn't have to fight the faster breeding Krogan.

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As an aside I wonder if the Rachni queen's egg being sent out on a ship to drift in deep space was a last ditch attempt by the Rachni themselves to preserve a part of them from indoctrination.

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The Angry One wrote...

As an aside I wonder if the Rachni queen's egg being sent out on a ship to drift in deep space was a last ditch attempt by the Rachni themselves to preserve a part of them from indoctrination.



indoctrination and extinction if you ask me

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The Angry One wrote...

As an aside I wonder if the Rachni queen's egg being sent out on a ship to drift in deep space was a last ditch attempt by the Rachni themselves to preserve a part of them from indoctrination.


Good thought, yes probably, I'd imagine that being possible.

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SuperVaderMan wrote...

I think it was a forced case of natural selection, to speed up the process of ensuring a single dominant race in the galaxy.

Both the rachni and krogan were biologically superior and could have become possible "threat species." By forcing a conflict between these and the rest of the galaxy, it ensures that either they are defeated/quelled and become not so big a future threat, or that the rachni/krogan become the only surviving sentient species in the galaxy and become technologically stagnant.


Further expanding on the latter, once there are no other species to pool technology with, their technology would advance in a more linear and predictable fashion.

Take the Normandy for example.  It was the product of human and turian engineering, and more advnaced than any design belonging to a single species.

Take the Normandy, make it bigger, and integrate the best tech from several species and you get the Normandy SR2.  Just take a look at the battle between the Normandy SR2 and the collector ship to see the results of THAT several-species'-design effort.

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All i know is me and my bug budies are going to kick some reaper *** in ME3