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[Highdragonslayer]

Pretty please

[Daerog]

That would make no sense to me, unless the lands that followed the Chantry were conquered and forced into another religion, like the Qun.

[Highdragonslayer]

Cure the templars and free the mages imo

[TripLight]

The Templars would need one hell of a wake up call to turn on the chantry. They are recruited for their zealous devotion to the Chant of Light.

[errant_knight]

Well, that's a little like proposing to abolish evangelical christianity in the American south, Catholicism in Ireland, or Islam in Saudi Arabia. It's not going to happen.

[DPSSOC]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

Cure the templars and free the mages imo

You can't really cure drug addiction and zealous devotion, the best you can hope for is they survive Lyrium withdrawl with all their wits intact (I got the impression that's a slim to none chance) and that they have the sense to realize the injustice done to them.  However with Carrol (Templar at Dock at Lake Calenhad) and Alistair as examples of Templar intellect (I would throw in Cullen but he was driven mad so he can be forgiven) I wouldn't hold my breath.

As far as the mages they should be free, cause if the Circle taught us anything it's that nothing can ever go wrong when mages are involved.

I'm no fan of the Chantry and the way they run the Circle but given what we know of the game world they strike me as necessary evils.

[Thor Rand Al]

TripLight wrote...

The Templars would need one hell of a wake up call to turn on the chantry. They are recruited for their zealous devotion to the Chant of Light.

1 easy way, find out that everything they've been taught from the chantry is a lie, that the chantry itself is a lie lol. 

[errant_knight]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

TripLight wrote...

The Templars would need one hell of a wake up call to turn on the chantry. They are recruited for their zealous devotion to the Chant of Light.

1 easy way, find out that everything they've been taught from the chantry is a lie, that the chantry itself is a lie lol. 

There are no absolutes in matters of faith. People will believe what they believe and gives them comfort.

[Mad Method]

Side with the Cult of Andraste.

[Calum_M]

The Chantry aren't any more evil than any organisation with over 1000 members. There's always going to be corruption, and on the whole, the Chantry seems to be at least necessary. Though, of course, I don't agree with a lot of their methods (Especially forcing the Templars into addiction. That is completely despicable).



Though if you were really interested in taking down the Chantry, you would essentially have to prove that the Chant of Light was a lie. And even then, that wouldn't do the whole job.



If Bioware did want to do this, I think a great way would be actually visiting the Black City in the Fade. That is where the Chant teaches that Darkspawn came from, and if it's true, likely to be the only place where there would be any proof.



Of course, things to do with the fade are all wibbly wobbly timey wimey. Who's to say what's truth in there?

[Thor Rand Al]

Calum_M wrote...

The Chantry aren't any more evil than any organisation with over 1000 members. There's always going to be corruption, and on the whole, the Chantry seems to be at least necessary. Though, of course, I don't agree with a lot of their methods (Especially forcing the Templars into addiction. That is completely despicable).

Though if you were really interested in taking down the Chantry, you would essentially have to prove that the Chant of Light was a lie. And even then, that wouldn't do the whole job.

If Bioware did want to do this, I think a great way would be actually visiting the Black City in the Fade. That is where the Chant teaches that Darkspawn came from, and if it's true, likely to be the only place where there would be any proof.

Of course, things to do with the fade are all wibbly wobbly timey wimey. Who's to say what's truth in there?

You're right, going to the Black City would be a way to tell if the chantry was right or wrong but it would be hard to prove.  It would be an interesting cause quest though, it would def answer some questions I have about the Chantry lol.

[Indistinct_Void]

It would be great to be able to go to the Black City and discover the ultimate truth of the universe, then return and never be able to ever convince anyone that you were actually there.

[Emma-Lath]

Never going to happen, the chantry is too powerful and has way too many members for it to just be abolished over night. It took centuries for the worship of the old gods to die down so in order for their to be no chantry in DA:2 it would have to take place hundreds of year into the future.

[EccentricSage]

Abolishing the Chantry would only drive them underground and cause infinitely more suffering. Rather, it is better to lessen their influence in politics and take power away from the Templars. Help the mages police themselves more and religate the Templars to a mere backup plan if things go bad. This way you aren't screwed in a worse case scenario, but the Templars loose their ability to abuse their power, and the Chantry can still take care of it's people, influence the people of the land, and all that religious stuff, but there will be no more exalted marches in Ferelden.



Some citizens might rise up, but with mages, elves and gray wardens on the side of the throne, they'll learn the value of 'live and let live' mighty quick.



I'd love to be able to play this scenario, in a sequil that picks up where we left off, if I have Alistair or my own HN as King. I'm sure Morrigan would use it as an oportunity to make a bid for power during the temporary chaos it would cause. Could be faccinating. Also, in my files, I intend to have Zevran at my warden's side as well, ready to do any necessary cloak and dagger work, as well as protect the king or queen from assassination.



I desperately want some way for Jowan to be alive and become a party member, too. Even if it would require paying extra for an expansion that gives you the option of conscription along with an amended version of the Redcliff and Circle quests or something. I want him to be romanceable character, too. Preferably bi, thanks.



I know I'm not the only one.

[Deckers]

Calum_M wrote...

The Chantry aren't any more evil than any organisation with over 1000 members. There's always going to be corruption, and on the whole, the Chantry seems to be at least necessary. Though, of course, I don't agree with a lot of their methods (Especially forcing the Templars into addiction. That is completely despicable).

Though if you were really interested in taking down the Chantry, you would essentially have to prove that the Chant of Light was a lie. And even then, that wouldn't do the whole job.

If Bioware did want to do this, I think a great way would be actually visiting the Black City in the Fade. That is where the Chant teaches that Darkspawn came from, and if it's true, likely to be the only place where there would be any proof.

Of course, things to do with the fade are all wibbly wobbly timey wimey. Who's to say what's truth in there?

I see what you did there Doctor!

As for the topic at hand, abolishing a religion with such power? Beyond highly unlikely, in matters of faith there's little that can truly disprove anything, to quote a Christian counter-argument to why there's pain and suffering, "It's a test from God".

So, as much as I dislike the chantry I foresee that we'll have to make do with their ilk for some time.
Besides, I'm sure the chant and such is full of half-truths at least regarding the black city/old gods/darkspawn.

[Calum_M]

@Deckers



I'm so glad that someone got the reference

[mousestalker]

Indistinct_Void wrote...

It would be great to be able to go to the Black City and discover the ultimate truth of the universe, then return and never be able to ever convince anyone that you were actually there.

But we already know the answer to that. It's 42.

[EccentricSage]

mousestalker wrote...

Indistinct_Void wrote...

It would be great to be able to go to the Black City and discover the ultimate truth of the universe, then return and never be able to ever convince anyone that you were actually there.

But we already know the answer to that. It's 42.

Win.

[RobinMichelleB]

@Calum Doctor Who FTW! Love that show.



In terms of the Chantry, abolishing it will do more harm than good. The Chantry itself isn't bad, it's just that people misinterpret the teachings to oppress those they fear, which happens with any religion. Andraste doesn't say that magic is evil, she simply says that it shouldn't control man against his will. And the Tevinter magisters, while magisters, were evil, and anyone can be evil. I think the Chantry needs to change a bit, but that ultimately, it is good for Ferelden.



Plus, in the context of the game, there's got to be some truth there. After all, you do run through the Gauntlet and find Andraste's ashes.

[Highdragonslayer]

Indistinct_Void wrote...

It would be great to be able to go to the Black City and discover the ultimate truth of the universe, then return and never be able to ever convince anyone that you were actually there.

Ah yes, "Old Gods"

[mousestalker]

RobinMichelleB wrote...

@Calum Doctor Who FTW! Love that show.

In terms of the Chantry, abolishing it will do more harm than good. The Chantry itself isn't bad, it's just that people misinterpret the teachings to oppress those they fear, which happens with any religion. Andraste doesn't say that magic is evil, she simply says that it shouldn't control man against his will. And the Tevinter magisters, while magisters, were evil, and anyone can be evil. I think the Chantry needs to change a bit, but that ultimately, it is good for Ferelden.

Plus, in the context of the game, there's got to be some truth there. After all, you do run through the Gauntlet and find Andraste's ashes.

Take Oghren with you the next time you do that.

[Cuddlezarro]

Plus, in the context of the game, there's got to be some truth there. After all, you do run through the Gauntlet and find Andraste's ashes.

Andraste's ashes have healing properties for reasons different to the reason the chantry thinks they have

[Cuddlezarro]

theres a massive incredibly pure lyrium vein that runs through the entire temple and its doing stuff to the temple and changing everything in it

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 20 février 2010 - 04:06 .