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[Archereon]

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

I dont know how you'd defeat the Reapers in ME3, but I hope its not some BS tactic like "upload a virus to the Reapers that causes them all to shut down lolololol!!!111" That would be retarded, but I have faith in Bioware that they won't do something like that.

And this is what I was talking about.

BS endings like "VIRUS PWNING" the reapers or beating them in open combat.

[Abirn]

Jake71887 wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Everyone seems to think that the plotline of ME3 is going to be ANOTHER round of recruiting, but that this time, you'll be recruiting factions from a list instead of people...Give me a freaking break!

Did any of you see that final cutscene?  Soviergn wasn't BSing you when he said "Our numbers will darken the skies of every world."

If the Reapers actually arrive in the Milky Way, we're f**ked, even with the forces of the entire galaxy united, there's no way that we could even take on a small portion of the Reapers...If your enemy is a race thousands of years more advanced than you, and he outnumbers you, your screwed.



If they ignore that fact though, and do the "Unite the galaxy against the Reapers" BS, Mass Effects story will go in the same bin as  pocahontas, err I mean "Avatar."  A retarded story where a bunch of tribal hippies beat a space age military force, in fact, it would be worse.  In this case, it would be a space age military beats a post singularity biomechanical type 3 civilization even when hopelessly outnumbered, rather than a bunch of mercenary soldiers outnumbered 100:1 against bow wielding hippies.

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It's doubtful they outnumber every ship in the galaxy, in which case uniting every race would give you the best odds, among other factors like research, collector ship technology, geth war, etc.

However, it took an entire army to take down 1 reaper, so the number of reapers would be impossible to defeat with a conventional army

[The Angry One]

You know it seems to me that saving the Rachni queen and preserving/uniting the true Geth would have a pretty damn big impact in ME3, that's two whole and powerful factions on your side or potentially not existing altogether (or in the Geth's case being brainwashed into following the Reapers).



Will they make these decisions have such a large impact on ME3? The choices affecting ME2 are... trivial at best.

[Northern Sun]

I'm perfectly OK with it being like DAO, as long as I get to kill the turian councilor in a duel.

[AntiChri5]

The Angry One wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Good name for her, although not very creative.

Well I can't remember her actual name, and it fits her... alongside Admiral Loghain and Admiral Avernus... yeah, there's your Dragon Age in space!

Quarian names are a **** arent they?

At that point of the game i almost freaked out, so many DA O characters in sych a small place. Were they just saving the best voice actors for when people had no faces?

[Cutlass Jack]

Northern Sun wrote...

I'm perfectly OK with it being like DAO, as long as I get to kill the turian councilor in a duel.

"Ah yes, 'Darkspawn.' We have dismissed that claim."

[Jake71887]

Abirn wrote...
However, it took an entire army to take down 1 reaper, so the number of reapers would be impossible to defeat with a conventional army

There were no armies involved.
We don't know exactly how many reapers there are.
We've salvaged reaper tech and have made tech advancements since the first game.
If you save the collector base, you'll probably get huge advancements in tech from that. 

[Unato]

unless ME3 turns into an RTS the final battle will prob be a FMV like ME1, this game is about squad combat after all

[The Angry One]

If the Reapers were so difficult to defeat conventionally, why always go through the same careful plan of gaining control of the Citadel, shutting down all the mass relays and indoctrination?

Clearly the Reapers CAN'T just run around the galaxy in a fleet mowing down everything or they'd do that. Possibly because it'd expend a huge amount of energy, that they need to get back by consuming organics, which they can't do if they're fighting a conventional war.



Seems like the Reapers are taking a big risk to me, hoping they'll win through attrition since all their evil plans have blown up in their face.

[Yantze]

If we win through strait head to head ship fighting thats just retarded. You saw what Sovreign did at the Citadel. Plowing through ships like there gnats and cutting down others. If he wouldnt have taken over Sarens body his shields wouldnt have went out. And the result of the Quarians attacking them would just look the the area around the collector base. A ton of ship debris nothing more. Half them ships were built in the damn stone age.

[Abirn]

Jake71887 wrote...

Abirn wrote...
However, it took an entire army to take down 1 reaper, so the number of reapers would be impossible to defeat with a conventional army

There were no armies involved.
We don't know exactly how many reapers there are.
We've salvaged reaper tech and have made tech advancements since the first game.
If you save the collector base, you'll probably get huge advancements in tech from that. 

Err... what would you call the turian fleet guarding the citadel and the alliance fleet that jumped in?

And thats not to say the asari and salarians didn't have ships there as well. 

[WoodWizzard87]

adam_grif wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Which was being assaulted by the entire Geth fleet, not Sovereign alone.
And still lasts long enough to be saved by the Alliance.

- Combined Citadel defense fleet, Turian, Asari, Salarian
- Alliance fleet stationed nearby turned the tide of the battle, but

- Sovereign's kinetic barriers only dropped when you killed Saren, apparently because it distracted the ship or something. It's not clear why it happened, but the kinetic barriers were holding strong and presumably the ship would not have been defeated so "easily" had this not happened.

We only used the Thanix Cannon agaisnt the collector ship, which i presume has a much weaker shield system or any shield system at all.  As we now we still have nothing that can penetrate their shields, and if they show up in a mass of thousands of ships, like the last shot of ME2,  Even if they brought all of the fleets together, we would still all get obliterated.  There is some othr factor that will come into play that Sheppard will be searching for something to take their mass effect generators and shields offline.

[The Angry One]

I dispute the idea that killing SoverSaren directly led to Sovereign's shields dropping.

Maybe it was a factor, but Sovereign is made up of multiple programs under Nazara. Are you seriously telling me all of the Nazara programs inhabited Saren? That's... just... stupid.

[Jake71887]

Abirn wrote...

Err... what would you call the turian fleet guarding the citadel and the alliance fleet that jumped in?

And thats not to say the asari and salarians didn't have ships there as well. 

Fleets? Armies involve ground units usually.

[Abirn]

It always seems that people underestimate the abilities of the reapers. They aren't just giant flying computers in space. These things can control the minds of organic beings and can actually alter the dna of a living being. This goes just beyond physical science and how well fortified they are for a traditional battle. They got some freaky **** going on that could take down armies.

Fleets? Armies involve ground units usually.

Semantics.   They are the same thing when taken into the context of my statement.

Modifié par Abirn, 19 février 2010 - 04:24 .

[Yantze]

The Angry One wrote...

I dispute the idea that killing SoverSaren directly led to Sovereign's shields dropping.
Maybe it was a factor, but Sovereign is made up of multiple programs under Nazara. Are you seriously telling me all of the Nazara programs inhabited Saren? That's... just... stupid.

You can make a strong case for it considering the moment you defeat it, Sovreign just rolls over and dies.

[adam_grif]

The Angry One wrote...

I dispute the idea that killing SoverSaren directly led to Sovereign's shields dropping.
Maybe it was a factor, but Sovereign is made up of multiple programs under Nazara. Are you seriously telling me all of the Nazara programs inhabited Saren? That's... just... stupid.

No, all I'm saying is that the human fleet wasn't even bothering Sovereign until suddenly its shields miraculously failed as soon as you killed Saren/Soveriegn's robotic avatar.

If there wasn't supposed to be a cause-effect relationship, they should have been indicating that the kinetic barriers were weakenning all through the battle, instead of them just suddenly dropping as soon as you killed him.

[Jake71887]

Abirn wrote...
  

Fleets? Armies involve ground units usually.

Semantics.   They are the same thing when taken into the context of my statement.

Semantics sure, but hardly the same thing 

[OH-UP-THIS!]

The reason the "Reapers"(as someone enjoys calling them), could NOT wage an inter-galactic war, is quite simple(much like the OP), they can only SEGREGATE the galaxy, to be able to conquer, and 'reap' the benefits.

The reapers are in NO WAY able to defeat all space-faring civilizations, simultaneously!!



They shut down the RELAYS, to prevent assistance from neighboring galaxies!!



Vigil said as much, on Ilos, where Soveriegn is only 1 ship, and as such, incapable of attacking SOLO!!!

[Chuvvy]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know what? Sovereign got his assed kicked by a bunch of cruisers. Cruisers!
Send in the dreadnoughts! Reapers are going down!

...did...  did we watch the same Citadel battle?

Thinking the same thing.

[The Angry One]

Yantze wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I dispute the idea that killing SoverSaren directly led to Sovereign's shields dropping.
Maybe it was a factor, but Sovereign is made up of multiple programs under Nazara. Are you seriously telling me all of the Nazara programs inhabited Saren? That's... just... stupid.

You can make a strong case for it considering the moment you defeat it, Sovreign just rolls over and dies.

A lot of things are happening at that moment, Sovereign is fighting you but is also recieving a continual attack by the Alliance.
It also doesn't just roll over, it tries to make a getaway after it's shield's drop so it's clearly still aware.

[The Angry One]

adam_grif wrote...

No, all I'm saying is that the human fleet wasn't even bothering Sovereign until suddenly its shields miraculously failed as soon as you killed Saren/Soveriegn's robotic avatar.

Like I said, maybe a factor. But not the overall cause. Unless the entire Nazara "crew" is that stupid.

If there wasn't supposed to be a cause-effect relationship, they should have been indicating that the kinetic barriers were weakenning all through the battle, instead of them just suddenly dropping as soon as you killed him.

That assumes they can even tell when a Reaper kinetic barrier has weakened.
They can tell when it's dropped when they start carving up the hull

[colbert123]

All I can say is the Illusive Man has his ways... Humans will prevail!

[WillieStyle]

It's amusing to watch people make such definitive claims about the Reapers:
"They cannot possibly be stopped."
" They are so powerful! "
We don't know the relative technological advantage of the Reapers. They have a 50,000,000 year head start, but they also leave tonns of their tech for organics to pick up. Furthermore, they seem to spend entirely too much of their time hanging out in deeps space and indoctrinating cranky Turians. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of RnD on their end. For all we know, they've stagnated technologically for eons.

Also, for an aspiring writer you sure take things literarily. There obviously aren't enough Reapers to literarily blot out the sky of every world in our galaxy. If there were, there'd be no need for all this supterfuge. Rachni wars? Keepers triggering mass relays? None of that would be necessary if there were literarily 200 BILLION Sovereigns waiting in Dark Space. And that number is assuming 1 planet per star on average and that it only takes one Reaper to "blot out the sky" of a world.

You're probably one of those kids who was shocked when [Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain] gets his ass kicked minutes after cackling about his invincibility.

P.S.
Anyone who uses terms like "post singularity" unironicaly needs to be teased mercilessly.

Modifié par WillieStyle, 19 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[Jake71887]

WillieStyle wrote...
You're probably one of those kids who was shocked when [Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain] gets his ass kicked minutes after cackling about his invincibility.

Seems like you're the type of person who probably contemplated suicide after Spiderman accidentally killed his GF. <_<