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[Helios969]

errant_knight wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

If not wanting to have sex with a woman as rude as Morrigan makes one a 'pansy', there are a lot of pansies in this world. I mean, this is a woman who gives you disapproval for telling a man that his wife is dead, and for disposiing of a body with a modicum of respect. I'm not one of those who dislikes Morrigan, she's a product of her upbringing, but I can see why a man wouldn't want to sleep with her given a choice.

Hey, don't go slammin' on my girl -  I might have to start beating up on Zev again:)  Besides, not wanting to sleep with Morrigan is a very un-manlike behavior.  Most men will sleep with a beautiful woman even if they don't like her.  Conversely, if a woman is particularly unattractive, no amount of inner beauty will make him want to. 

Hey, I actually like Morrigan and I'm not a Zevran fan, but I think it's good to not purposefully bash characters--just because we know that it will bother others. I'm just saying that Morrigan has some communication issues that might not lead some to favor her.

Side note: I actually know men who've turned down beautiful women because they found something about their behavior or personality unappealing. Admittedly, these weren't men who were hard up for choices.

Ah, yes, that would make a difference.  For us 'norms,' we take it where we can...or at least I used to.

As for Morrigan, her blunt pragmatism just makes her all the more charming.  I'm romancing her for only the 2nd time.  Didn't notice it the first time through, but the hmmm's? and giggles when I try to talk to her are cracking me up.  Doesn't that seem way out of character?

[Ulicus]

Alistair kills monsters. He is not a pansy.

[AnniLau]

Helios969 wrote...

As for Morrigan, her blunt pragmatism

She's not pragmatic at all. She misses simple things like, gee, if we don't work out this merchant's dispute, we probably won't be able to buy the supplies we need. Or, hey, if we let everyone at Redcliffe die, how will they supply us with men for our army?

(There are probably more examples, but she stays in camp the majority of the time after I get Wynne.)

[TripLight]

AnniLau wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

As for Morrigan, her blunt pragmatism

She's not pragmatic at all. She misses simple things like, gee, if we don't work out this merchant's dispute, we probably won't be able to buy the supplies we need. Or, hey, if we let everyone at Redcliffe die, how will they supply us with men for our army?

(There are probably more examples, but she stays in camp the majority of the time after I get Wynne.)

This^

Her narrowmindedness astounded me on my first playthrough. I wish there was a dialogue tree just to tell her off about her own naivety (sp?) when she questions you about (your lack of) yours.

She did stay at camp all the time on my first playthrough. She wanted to act like a child, well I gladly treated her as one.

Modifié par TripLight, 19 février 2010 - 11:10 .

[Helios969]

My, my, how the talons fly around here. Quite remarkable how many people actually get worked up over her. Well I'll definitely take Morrigan into battle before that dried up prune of a preachy healer. As for some of those unpragmatic comments, she's not the only one. I view such things as a writing logic flaw - the companions would be aware of such things and therefore not make such statements. I just ignore them.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Morrigan is necessary to add the black cloud to Alistair's silver lining. And just about everyone elses, for that matter. After getting annoyed by her constant poo-pooing my inability to kick puppies, I left her in camp, and then realized just how much I missed seeing "Morrigan disapproves -1" or "Morrigan disapproves -50" every ten minutes. It's just not the same game. So now I switch her in and out from time to time, and everyone's happy, except Alistair. And I give him enough action figures and caboodling that he gets over it. He does have a very poor short term memory.



Another "Alistair is a whiny b**** thread. Ahhh, haven't been many of those lately. Was rather worried for a while that some great cataclysm happened to cause all the Ali-bashers to forget to whine about his whining. Maybe most of them went over to ME2 to complain about someone else having the audacity to have feelings of sorrow over a serious loss. Who knows.



I'd rather Alistair gave me a pansy than a rose. I love pansies. They have a violety smell and grow well even with the threat of frost. Maybe he will go gather me some.

[Chasseresse]

Morrigan whines more than Alistair IMO. At least he whines about negative things that have happened to him or to others. Morrigan whines about... helping people? saving lives? people disliking her because she's rude to them?

Makes perfect sense to me!

[SuperMedbh]

Ulicus wrote...

Alistair kills monsters. He is not a pansy.

Go Alistair, go!

[maxernst]

Alistair's being something of a pansy is his charm. He's an odd cross between a knight in shining armor and a damsel in distress.

[Thalorin1919]

After my first playthrough I thought he was a pansy. I didnt harden him, and he complained about everything.



On my second, I did alot better. I was able to harden him, and got high approval. He became alot more tolerable then, and was glad to have him as a friend. I was pretty proud of him at the Landsmeet when he was like -



*Executes Loghain*

"And yes, I will be King. Throw Anora in the tower, Eamon is my regent, me and my buddy got a Blight to defeat"

[Addai]

AnniLau wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

As for Morrigan, her blunt pragmatism

She's not pragmatic at all. She misses simple things like, gee, if we don't work out this merchant's dispute, we probably won't be able to buy the supplies we need. Or, hey, if we let everyone at Redcliffe die, how will they supply us with men for our army?

(There are probably more examples, but she stays in camp the majority of the time after I get Wynne.)

Bah.  She wants you to do business with the merchant and be on your way, not stand around mediating, and in Redcliffe it is the arl you need and not every "slack-jawed fool" (I love that line) in the village.  Teagan was playing you false and Morrigan sees through it.  (Not as if the villagers make very good soldiers on their own, eh?)

Anyway, I love it how people say they leave her in camp all the time but that she "always" gives you negatives.  Really, how would you know?  I play generally goody-two-shoes characters and find that after Redcliffe, Morrigan doesn't have a lot to say.  I think they do it on purpose in Redcliffe so that you have to actually work to get to know her instead of just looking for sycophants.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 février 2010 - 03:28 .

[Bratt1204]

Alistair makes the best Tank, if you know what you are doing.His Templar skills compliment my HNF's DWW skills quite well.Jjust build him properly; what are you doing to make him a pansy?? He rocks in my party, rarely go anywhere without him.

[mousestalker]

Well, this current playthrough my HNF is keeping him at camp making his tasty lamb stew a la Ferelden for us. She's a sword and board type as well so he isn't needed much.

[errant_knight]

Folks are misinterpreting the OP. She just meant she was having a hard time convincing Alistair to go through with the dark ritual. Also having trouble with his stats, but the pansy thing was about his unwillingness to do the deed. To be fair, that has a lot to god-demon-thing.

I like having two sword/shield warriors, myself. It's very efficient. And I like watching them bash the b'jaysus out of everything....

Modifié par errant_knight, 20 février 2010 - 03:34 .

[zaim298]

Addai67 wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

As for Morrigan, her blunt pragmatism

She's not pragmatic at all. She misses simple things like, gee, if we don't work out this merchant's dispute, we probably won't be able to buy the supplies we need. Or, hey, if we let everyone at Redcliffe die, how will they supply us with men for our army?

(There are probably more examples, but she stays in camp the majority of the time after I get Wynne.)

Bah.  She wants you to do business with the merchant and be on your way, not stand around mediating, and in Redcliffe it is the arl you need and not every "slack-jawed fool" (I love that line) in the village.  Teagan was playing you false and Morrigan sees through it.  (Not as if the villagers make very good soldiers on their own, eh?)

Anyway, I love it how people say they leave her in camp all the time but that she "always" gives you negatives.  Really, how would you know?  I play generally goody-two-shoes characters and find that after Redcliffe, Morrigan doesn't have a lot to say.  I think they do it on purpose in Redcliffe so that you have to actually work to get to know her instead of just looking for sycophants.

People tend to do Redcliffe first after Lothering, and you get Wynne when you go to Circle Tower after Redcliffe, personally though I like Morrigan (not obsessed though), I really think she's a marvelous piece of character writing, but I have to agree that I need healer more than dps mage in my party, so I never drop Wynne unless in special cases like character selection for specific quests.

[SurelyForth]

I respec Alistair to dual wield, keep him in medium armor until the Landsmeet and don't use a tank, and he's still pretty much invulnerable (and a human blender, to boot). I think the only times he dies is when he gets hit with Curse of Mortality when I'm not looking.

[Reaverwind]

Helios969 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

If not wanting to have sex with a woman as rude as Morrigan makes one a 'pansy', there are a lot of pansies in this world. I mean, this is a woman who gives you disapproval for telling a man that his wife is dead, and for disposiing of a body with a modicum of respect. I'm not one of those who dislikes Morrigan, she's a product of her upbringing, but I can see why a man wouldn't want to sleep with her given a choice.

Hey, don't go slammin' on my girl -  I might have to start beating up on Zev again:)  Besides, not wanting to sleep with Morrigan is a very un-manlike behavior.  Most men will sleep with a beautiful woman even if they don't like her.  Conversely, if a woman is particularly unattractive, no amount of inner beauty will make him want to. 

Ha. Throw a stiff drink into the mix and men will sleep with anything female. I'm surprised that neiher Al nor Loghain "fortify themselves" for the Dark Ritual.

[zaim298]

Alistair is childish in a way, and not really that smart (i'm not saying he's dumb), but he's just not your typical heroic knight in shining armor. But he's funny as hell and adorable (yes I admit I like him), and would love to have a buddy like him in real life. Many people dislike him for how he handle the Loghain situation, I mean seriously who can blame him? Duncan (who is like a father to him) is dead and so are the rest of Ferelden's warden. Can't really blame him for letting his emotion cloud his judgment. He does regret not joining the final battle as apparent when I let Loghain did the final blow on the Archdemon. His preference to follow than to lead doesn't mean he's a pansy either, and he did try to make the best of being a King in the end and that says something. I really think he's a great character.



Anyway, Alistair is an awesome tank, his spec n stats are perfect for tanking.

[errant_knight]

He's probably the most versatile companion in the game. You get him early enough that you can make him into whatever kind of fighter you want him to be. Given that I put so much of the PC's stats into cunning and coercion, he's easily the strongest fighter in the party.

[Bratt1204]

SurelyForth wrote...

I respec Alistair to dual wield, keep him in medium armor until the Landsmeet and don't use a tank, and he's still pretty much invulnerable (and a human blender, to boot). I think the only times he dies is when he gets hit with Curse of Mortality when I'm not looking.

I think I might try Ali out as a Duel Wielder next. I love seeing the screenshots of him in battle, yum!

[nubbers666]

Alistair is a cute guy but personally hes a cry baby who can only moan and groan i realy wish i could be the 1 to excute him

[errant_knight]

katie916 wrote...

Alistair is a cute guy but personally hes a cry baby who can only moan and groan i realy wish i could be the 1 to excute him

Not the topic, Katie.

[spottyblanket]

Hey, don't go slammin' on my girl -  I might have to start beating up on Zev again:)  Besides, not wanting to sleep with Morrigan is a very un-manlike behavior.  Most men will sleep with a beautiful woman even if they don't like her.  Conversely, if a woman is particularly unattractive, no amount of inner beauty will make him want to. 

Says who? Those kind of men are shallow and unworthy of anyone. They'd be just as happy playing hand ball.

[Helios969]

spottyblanket wrote...

Hey, don't go slammin' on my girl -  I might have to start beating up on Zev again:)  Besides, not wanting to sleep with Morrigan is a very un-manlike behavior.  Most men will sleep with a beautiful woman even if they don't like her.  Conversely, if a woman is particularly unattractive, no amount of inner beauty will make him want to. 

Says who? Those kind of men are shallow and unworthy of anyone. They'd be just as happy playing hand ball.

Spoken like someone with very little life experience.

[Sabriana]

Alistair is a really good tank. Throw him, Zevran, and Morrigan at the enemies, and your PC can fight with her eyes closed. Morrigan gets the healing spell, and she also gets to be a Spirit Healer (she probably hates my PC for doing that to her. Morrigan disapproves -5. Have a golden necklace dear )

Alistair is a STR/DEX sword and shield warrior/templar, Zevran is DEX/STR rogue/duelist, Morrigan is a MA/WIL damage dealer/spirit healer. Piece of cake.

Alistair always ends up mad at my PC, because she chooses Loghain. However, when Loghain does the sacrifice, he lightens up a bit. They were great friends, he and my PC, so I like to think he forgives her - eventually. Long story short, never done the ritual in any play-through, so I can't say anything about how hard it is to convince him to do it.