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[Battlegirl]

Comments about the "maker" was ALL over Dragon Age. I found it funny and temping to tick charaters off when they asked me any opinion about the "maker" (and I often did... ).

What do you think about all that? See it as a reference too real life religion an how people are?

[Jackimole]

Maker = God

Andraste = Jesus

Chantry = Roman Catholic Church

Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

[Battlegirl]

I thought the same of the Maker and Andraste.



Didn't think about the Chantries too much, however.

[Caozen]

Andraste's Ashes = Jesus Juice(?)



The Templars are also an obvious reference.

[Jackimole]

The ashes are kind of like the cross...? People don't really... know where the cross is though...

[Jackimole]

Actually,

Ashes = Holy Grail

Both have healing powers, and both are religious artifacts.

[Yorick of the Damned]

Jackimole wrote...

Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I thought the fact the Chantry is protected by TEMPLARS would be obvious enough.

Plus Andraste I dunno if you could see her as Jesus. She resembles other profits more like Muhammad.

[Loc'n'lol]

Yorick of the Damned wrote...

She resembles other profits more like Muhammad.

????
PROFIT !!!

[David Gaider]

Jackimole wrote...
Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I always thought of Andraste as being somewhere between Jesus and Joan of Arc -- but otherwise those work as pretty broad comparisons.

[Inzhuna]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Yorick of the Damned wrote...

She resembles other profits more like Muhammad.

????
PROFIT !!!

Jay and Silent Bob strike back!

[Monica21]

Maferath = Judas

Tevinter = Rome

Archon Hessarian = Pontius Pilate and Constantine

[steelfire_dragon]

I Denounce your Maker

I defecate on your Maker's Chantry

and I spit on your Templars.





praise the creators

[Sloth Of Doom]

Maker Shmaker.





We are sprung from the Stone, and to the Stone we return.

[Loc'n'lol]

Monica21 wrote...

Maferath = Judas

This one's quite far-fetched...
I would draw a comparison between Maferath and Clovis (being a war leader who embraced a new religion at the request of his wife and making it the official religion in the land his armies conquered and where his people eventually settled) but this is also far-fetched.

So um... I don't think Maferath could really be compared to any historical figure. He has an important role in the setting but doesn't seem to have any clear inspiration.

[0LunarEclipse0]

Jackimole wrote...

Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

/agree

[MachDelta]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Maker Shmaker.


We are sprung from the Stone, and to the Stone we return.

Humans = Abrahamic Religion
Elves = Pantheism
Dorfs = Taoic Religion

?

[Monica21]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Maferath = Judas

This one's quite far-fetched...
I would draw a comparison between Maferath and Clovis (being a war leader who embraced a new religion at the request of his wife and making it the official religion in the land his armies conquered and where his people eventually settled) but this is also far-fetched.

So um... I don't think Maferath could really be compared to any historical figure. He has an important role in the setting but doesn't seem to have any clear inspiration.

The comparison I make is because Maferath betrayed Andraste. And Clovis actually converted his wife, not the other way around.

[David Gaider]

I think Maferath as a Judas-type figure is fair. Judas is the classic "betrayer" in Christianity, just as Maferath is in the Chantry. None of the comparisons work beyond a superficial level, but in terms of symbolism it works.

[Dick Delaware]

David Gaider wrote...

Jackimole wrote...
Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I always thought of Andraste as being somewhere between Jesus and Joan of Arc -- but otherwise those work as pretty broad comparisons.

I'm not sure if you guys took some inspiration from Islam when it comes to the lore, but in some ways, she resembles the prophet Muhammad.

Like her, he led a war against a decadent force and was also a regular person instead of divine, like Christ was. They were both part-religious teacher, part-general. Within his lifetime the Arabian peninsula embraced Islam. While Andraste was a martyr, the Tevinter Imperium also embraced her faith shortly after her death.

I might be reaching for straws, though.

[AlanC9]

I always thought Andraste was just a powerful mage with a good PR department.

[zaim298]

Well I cant seem to figure which one is Andraste based upon Jesus or prophet Muhammad. But I guess Andraste relates to both figures base on the lore. The elves definitely Pagan and Pantheist. The Dwarfs I can't really put a finger on, seems like they're like the Indian culture but Hinduism is polytheistic while Buddhist seems to fit the description a bit.



Now the one that really intrigues me the most is the Qunarian, for some reason I think they're over-exaggerated Muslim.



I hope none is offended here.

[Ibby1kanobi]

Dick Delaware wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Jackimole wrote...
Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I always thought of Andraste as being somewhere between Jesus and Joan of Arc -- but otherwise those work as pretty broad comparisons.

I'm not sure if you guys took some inspiration from Islam when it comes to the lore, but in some ways, she resembles the prophet Muhammad.

Like her, he led a war against a decadent force and was also a regular person instead of divine, like Christ was. They were both part-religious teacher, part-general. Within his lifetime the Arabian peninsula embraced Islam. While Andraste was a martyr, the Tevinter Imperium also embraced her faith shortly after her death.

I might be reaching for straws, though.

Agreed 100%. Jesus never really fought wars in his brief time on Earth (if you believe in that) and is considered the son of God as well as a part of the trinity. Whereas Andraste and Muhammad are humans who have been sent as prophets...both seeing miracles done for them by the "Maker"/God. Both fought in a war which eventually saw the blossiming of the religions post-death.

However, Islam doesn't really have a "chantry" to speak of though really. There is a council of scholars who clear up religous textual interpretational disagreements, but they don't really create laws, and aren't needed for religious sermon (prayers). So it's a mix of an Islamic prophet with a Christian church.

Modifié par Ibby1kanobi, 19 février 2010 - 06:35 .

[corebit]

Let's hope this thread doesn't degenerate into another hate religion/religious people that seems so fashionable these days...

[Wonderllama4]

Andraste was a mage... I found a book that said so!