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[Dick Delaware]

corebit wrote...

Let's hope this thread doesn't degenerate into another hate religion/religious people that seems so fashionable these days...

Neither do I. I tried to phrase my post as neutrally as possible, but, people are morons and they'll start retarded arguments over religion at the drop of a hat. Especially if that argument happens to be on the Internet.

[Quill74Pen]

We're all stardust!

[errant_knight]

Dick Delaware wrote...

corebit wrote...

Let's hope this thread doesn't degenerate into another hate religion/religious people that seems so fashionable these days...

Neither do I. I tried to phrase my post as neutrally as possible, but, people are morons and they'll start retarded arguments over religion at the drop of a hat. Especially if that argument happens to be on the Internet.

No, now it will devolve into whether using words like 'moron' and 'retarded' is the best possible way to make your point.

[Stuffy38]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Maker Shmaker.


We are sprung from the Stone, and to the Stone we return.

Which in itself is almost a carbon copy of the broad based Christian funeral chant "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."  I think the verse is from Genesis, Google it if you care.

[Daerog]

Monica21 wrote...

Maferath = Judas
Tevinter = Rome
Archon Hessarian = Pontius Pilate and Constantine

Archon Hessarian being symbolically similar to Pontius Pilate, okay, but I wouldn't say Constantine. Constantine built his political power on the Christian faith and spread it quite forcefully, so I'd say Emperor Kordillus Drakon is the Constantine of Thedas. Makes me think, does the Chantry have something similar to saints? The qunari do, I would think the Chantry would, too, but I can't recall reading anything about that.

Edit: Mixed Christianity and Chantry up, fixed it.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 19 février 2010 - 08:00 .

[Dick Delaware]

errant_knight wrote...

No, now it will devolve into whether using words like 'moron' and 'retarded' is the best possible way to make your point.

The Internet is a hostile and unforgiving place. Avoiding a flame war is like trying to walk unscathed through a minefield with a blindfold on. Likely it isn't going to happen.

[draxynnus]

Jackimole wrote...

Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I'd be inclined to disagree with the last - it's an easy comparison to make at first glance, but the Tevinter Chantry struck me since my first runthrough as a cynical mouthing of the words to stop Tevinter from being Exalted March'd while allowing the magisters to stay in charge. It wouldn't surprise me if the Black Chantry still secretly worships the Old Gods.

[MeltyLotus]

Dick Delaware wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

No, now it will devolve into whether using words like 'moron' and 'retarded' is the best possible way to make your point.

The Internet is a hostile and unforgiving place. Avoiding a flame war is like trying to walk unscathed through a minefield with a blindfold on. Likely it isn't going to happen.

That's just cause they don't understand the word opinion.  That and a lot of poeple of faith are unwilling to open to mind to anything their faith doesn't tell them.
Notice how all religions have the same foundations and can be molded to fit the theme/culture at will:whistle: They are all one in the same.  Same cards, different deck.

[Gabey5]

yes my dwarf noble had his opinions on the human gods

[spirit-dog]

What does this make Shartan then?



My Dalish finds having a polytheist elf who doesn't even like the Chantry find the Urn just hillarious beyond words btw.

[Mlai00]

Andraste's army rode into battle on dinosaurs.

[Pseron Wyrd]

Dick Delaware wrote...
Avoiding a flame war is like trying to walk unscathed through a minefield with a blindfold on. Likely it isn't going to happen.

And it's especially not going to happen if you choose to use a loaded term like "moron", no?

[lisakover]

Amusing to note, the scientists on Eden Prime in Mass Effect you rescue, the woman says "Thank the maker!"

[Monica21]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Archon Hessarian being symbolically similar to Pontius Pilate, okay, but I wouldn't say Constantine. Constantine built his political power on the Christian faith and spread it quite forcefully, so I'd say Emperor Kordillus Drakon is the Constantine of Thedas. Makes me think, does the Chantry have something similar to saints? The qunari do, I would think the Chantry would, too, but I can't recall reading anything about that.

Edit: Mixed Christianity and Chantry up, fixed it.

Possibly, but I can't think of anyone other historical figure who renounced Christianity only to embrace it and help build it. Then again, it's possible Hessarian's actions after the betrayal don't really have a real-world equivalent.

[Mordaedil]

David Gaider wrote...

Jackimole wrote...
Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I always thought of Andraste as being somewhere between Jesus and Joan of Arc -- but otherwise those work as pretty broad comparisons.

Especially considering those roles are cornerstones of any major religions, sans a couple without any prophetic human figures.

[Chokladglass]

The Chantry is clearly based on Christianity, but I don't see why there can't be other influences behind it as well.

One thing I find odd is how little singing we see in the game. We hear about the Chant of Light  and Andraste's songs pleasing the Maker and all that, but the priests of the Chantry don't do a whole lot of singing.

[Eudaemonium]

Chokladglass wrote...

The Chantry is clearly based on Christianity, but I don't see why there can't be other influences behind it as well.

One thing I find odd is how little singing we see in the game. We hear about the Chant of Light  and Andraste's songs pleasing the Maker and all that, but the priests of the Chantry don't do a whole lot of singing.

That's actually kinda lampshaded by the old woman in Denerim, the one who keeps putting food in the Chant. She complains that the Chant is never sung these days.

[Tekbear]

David Gaider wrote...

Jackimole wrote...
Maker = God
Andraste = Jesus
Chantry = Roman Catholic Church
Tevinter Chantry = Easter Orthodox Church

I always thought of Andraste as being somewhere between Jesus and Joan of Arc -- but otherwise those work as pretty broad comparisons.

yeah that was my first guess too. maybe even a bit more joan of arc than jesus.  
also i found the old tevinter imperiumd a bit of a mix of old Byzanz and eastern germany LOL

[steelfire_dragon]

Andraste was an(expletive)......





and yeah I noticed the ISlam comparison too.



I smashed her ashes

[Dick Delaware]

errant_knight wrote...

No, now it will devolve into whether using words like 'moron' and 'retarded' is the best possible way to make your point.

Heh, got me there. Fortunately, I didn't call anybody specific a moron. But really, starting a huge argument over religion on a forum about a video game of all things is a little asinine, no? Anyways, I just wanted to know whether David used the life of Muhammad as an inspiration for Andraste, as there's a lot of interesting stuff in the history of Islam that's very underused in Western fantasy.

[wonko33]

The Maker is a god? And all this time my dwarf thought humans were worshiping blacksmiths

[marbatico]

the maker doesnt exist!there is no higher power watching over us or 'chosing' our fate for us!

men make there own fate and the maker can go to the fade!

[marbatico]

so what are the dalish? heathens who pray to statues that are images of there gods? (not doing that is one of the things chistianity and islam have incommon)

[Ralnith]

Andruil = Kurnous

Sylaise = Isha

June = Vaul

Falon'Din = Ynnead

Elgar'nan = Kaela Mensha Khaine

Dirthamen = Morai-Heg

Fen'Harel = Cegorach

Mythal = Asuryan



At least that's the impression. Also possible that Ghilan'nain = Lileath, but that doesn't really match.