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[addiction21]

More powerfull then a pancake not as powerfull as a waffle. Does that clear things up?

[cronshaw8]

Alamar2078 wrote...

In cinematics we've seen Krogan go down in one shot.

one of the few inconsitancies in the game that i had a problem with.
I think I'll start a thread and whine about it

[cronshaw8]

addiction21 wrote...

More powerfull then a pancake not as powerfull as a waffle. Does that clear things up?

haha! nice one

[Speakeasy13]

The Governator wrote...

Den Late wrote...

Baseline human Shepard was probably not all that special, just a badass human with determinator power.

Shepard as seen in ME1 and ME2 on the other hand is probably a whole other deal. Then you have badass human determinator aided by a crapload of implants and augementations. Especially in ME2, you can drink stuff that would kill any normal human, headbutt Krogans and to as Garrus said, the Collectors killed Shepard and it only seemed to ****** him off.

So I basically think Shepard would win against pretty much any of his team members one on one. Even if it was bare fist fighting. Mainly because the bastard just wouldn't quit and all those augmentations would make him durable as hell as well as strong as hell.

You're assuming an awful lot. 

Shepard is not necessarily 'implanted'...especially in ME1.  Mine were not.  Just soldiers.  Hardy, extremely well trained, determined and naturally gifted with reflexes and timing. 

Then again in ME1 Shepard doesn't get twice as much squad points and half the power cooldown as his squad mates. So it'd be safe to assume what he said was right.

[Wolverfrog]

He's not neccessarily very powerful in terms of ability and strength, he's just an amazing leader, the best humanity has to offer.



Of course, he's still an brilliant soldier, regardless of that. He wouldn't have been considered for the Spectres otherwise.

[Alamar2078]

cronshaw8 wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

In cinematics we've seen Krogan go down in one shot.

one of the few inconsitancies in the game that i had a problem with.
I think I'll start a thread and whine about it

It's not "cinematic" or epic but I do wish that the cinematics reflected a character's actual abilities in game.  For example I doubt Jack could beat 3 heavy mechs on CASUAL settings without lots more cover, weapons, support, etc.

[boardnfool86]

Shepard's physical prowess coupled with his unparralled cunning... means he is unbeatable... unless his pilot gets the ship torn to Hell and refuses to leave it so Shep has to stick around to save his ass... but for too long

[Alamar2078]

I should have mentioned Samara calling you a battlefield virtuoso should also come as no small compliment. Shepard doesn't have more raw power than other characters but he's a genius on the battlefield and when leading small squads he's likely unmatched.

[The Governator]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Umm. You realise that no matter what class you choose in ME2, Shepard has a crapload of cybernetic augmentations on top of the ones that were used to bring him back to life? Soldiers arguably have the most cybernetics, because the other classes rely on their biotics/omni-tool more.

Anyway, as stated, in ME2 Shepard has definately become somewhat of a Determinator even in-universe, considering the fact that he is the first human to survive the poison that the Batarian bartender spiked his drink with.

In ME1, Shepard probably had the basic level of genetic upgrades and minor cybernetics, like all Alliance soldiers. He wasn't particularly enhanced at that point. His strengths consisted of extreme willpower and mental fortitude (considering he survived the Prothean beacon transfer), and natural leadership skills. In ME2 he still has those things, but his body's been upgraded to be equally extraordinary.

Yeah, in ME2 I realize that.  I disagree with ME1, but I have not read comics or whatever, so I may be missing information.

In ME2, I hate that there are cybernetics.  I just hate the idea of being 'implanted' with machines.  Makes him/her less human, in my view.  

[cronshaw8]

Alamar2078 wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

In cinematics we've seen Krogan go down in one shot.

one of the few inconsitancies in the game that i had a problem with.
I think I'll start a thread and whine about it

It's not "cinematic" or epic but I do wish that the cinematics reflected a character's actual abilities in game.  For example I doubt Jack could beat 3 heavy mechs on CASUAL settings without lots more cover, weapons, support, etc.

I'd agree, but most of the introductory cinematics were so cool i didn't really care about the discrepancy. That being said Jack's first "move" looked a lot like the vanguard's charge. It would have been cool if she had that ability. Probably get killed a lot because AI can never be as tactically sound as a real person, but it still would have been cool to see her warping all over the battlefield.

[Leather_Rebel90]

shaneho78 wrote...

Shepard > any AI controlled teammate

Liara got more kills in the first ME than Shepard did... Her Biotics are f*cking insane... And thus far I'm not impressed with our Krogan party members... It appears as if they are the only two Krogan in the galaxy who don't regenerate uber fast.

[KainrycKarr]

The Governator wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Umm. You realise that no matter what class you choose in ME2, Shepard has a crapload of cybernetic augmentations on top of the ones that were used to bring him back to life? Soldiers arguably have the most cybernetics, because the other classes rely on their biotics/omni-tool more.

Anyway, as stated, in ME2 Shepard has definately become somewhat of a Determinator even in-universe, considering the fact that he is the first human to survive the poison that the Batarian bartender spiked his drink with.

In ME1, Shepard probably had the basic level of genetic upgrades and minor cybernetics, like all Alliance soldiers. He wasn't particularly enhanced at that point. His strengths consisted of extreme willpower and mental fortitude (considering he survived the Prothean beacon transfer), and natural leadership skills. In ME2 he still has those things, but his body's been upgraded to be equally extraordinary.

Yeah, in ME2 I realize that.  I disagree with ME1, but I have not read comics or whatever, so I may be missing information.

In ME2, I hate that there are cybernetics.  I just hate the idea of being 'implanted' with machines.  Makes him/her less human, in my view.  

Most people in the ME universe who have ever had a serious injury of any kind, are pretty much just copy/pasted with cybernetics or cloned organs.

Like the batarian from the first novel....basically blown into nothing. barely alive. but it mentions skin grafts and cloned organs being made to make the batarian "whole" again.

Stuff like that is likely very common.

It's a social stigma to think of any cloned parts or mechanical bits as part of yourself these days, because it's extremely uncommon, and is mostly associated with bad guys/supervillains.

If anything, I think that Shepard is still Shepard even after everything, solidifies the idea that there is something more than physical guts that makes someone "human" or "themself".

Although would've preferred to do without the whole death by space asphyxiation thing....extremely unbelievable.

[KainrycKarr]

Leather_Rebel90 wrote...

shaneho78 wrote...

Shepard > any AI controlled teammate

Liara got more kills in the first ME than Shepard did... Her Biotics are f*cking insane... And thus far I'm not impressed with our Krogan party members... It appears as if they are the only two Krogan in the galaxy who don't regenerate uber fast.

Really? she always ended up redlined in my games. Wrex practiacally never went done.

Plus, and come on you know I have to do this, Liara got herself stuck in a bubble.

[ERJAK2]

Thresher Maw wrote...

I mean you have characters like Wrex, Aria, Jack to a lesser extent, maybe Samara, and so on. These characters, especially in the case of the first two, are portrayed as being top tier combatants. How does Shepard compare? I'm guessing he's less capable in combat than the top tier fighters, but he obviously makes up for that with leadership ability. That's just a guess though. Thoughts?

Shep is an unstoppable force of destruction. You never truly get to see just how powerful she is one on one, but I'd imagine it's very impressive. All of the other characters in the series rely on 1 specific ability, whether it be intelligence, biotics, marksmanship, hand to hand, etc. Shepard has all of these things(depending on the class in terms of biotics) to lesser, though comparable degrees. Shep's "jack of all trades" strength makes her the bada** she is.

[KainrycKarr]

Does anyone think it might be kinda cool to have Shep do a sort of solo mission in ME3?



Maybe the other squaddies get neutralized and Shepard has to pick up the slack to get them back, similar to what happened to the Normandy crew.



Nothing long-term of course...just short series of maybe one or two missions.



That would put Shepard's badassery doubts to death.

[Gravbh]

Shepard is a commando version of Captain Kirk.

[sunovafm]

SuperVaderMan wrote...

Shepard > 9000

That and he can just reload his last save whenever he messes up

this gives me a fun idea

a relisim run through mass effect 1 and 2 both with the same shepard

death = fail at any time a death and the playthough gets deleted xD

[Black Bizart]

He's Space Marine Jesus, dudes.

The Governator wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

Are you kidding me? Shepard's a Zombie Cyborg

No

Wrong

I cannot accept that.  zombies are as trite and played out as vampires.  Might as well have a twilight theme in there.

Shepard is at worst resurrected.  He or she is alive.

[CajunRexShepard]

Do not underestimate the power of reputation. Even the most well trained soldier would flinch upon hearing the man across the field from him had killed a reaper, saved the galaxy, and returned from the dead. Now add to that spectre training, in depth knowledge of how to fight every sapient race out there, the best equipment money can buy, and absolutely indomitable willpower. The fight doesn't always go to the best team or the biggest dog... but rather the one who wants it more. Shep strikes me as a man whose worst enemy... is himself... he CANNOT fail because it would fall short of the expectations he sets for himself, screw what others expect. He approaches missions with a collected calmness that belies the chaos likely brewing beneath the surface in such a person (a trait shared by good leaders) because he knows no other way but action. Experience is a great teacher, willpower is a great motivator, and reputation is a great salesman... Shepard has all three, regardless of class or alignment.

[Alamar2078]

CajunRexShepard wrote...

Do not underestimate the power of reputation. Even the most well trained soldier would flinch upon hearing the man across the field from him had killed a reaper, saved the galaxy, and returned from the dead. Now add to that spectre training, in depth knowledge of how to fight every sapient race out there, the best equipment money can buy, and absolutely indomitable willpower. The fight doesn't always go to the best team or the biggest dog... but rather the one who wants it more. Shep strikes me as a man whose worst enemy... is himself... he CANNOT fail because it would fall short of the expectations he sets for himself, screw what others expect. He approaches missions with a collected calmness that belies the chaos likely brewing beneath the surface in such a person (a trait shared by good leaders) because he knows no other way but action. Experience is a great teacher, willpower is a great motivator, and reputation is a great salesman... Shepard has all three, regardless of class or alignment.

WELL SAID ...

[sergio71785]

Wrex: So Legion, in a fight between you and Shepard, who would win?



Legion: Consensus is unanimous. Under typical combat conditions against Shepard Commander, this platform would be destroyed.

[Ulicus]

What's all this Chuck Norris nonsense? In ME1, my Shep was the goddamn Batman. With preparation time, he wins. Now he's a 1337 robot-destroyer. Which, admittedly, I don't think is as cool -- but he appreciates being Bruce Willis from unbreakable now, so more power to him. EDIT: Actually, I haven't made my mind up about this. I don't know whether I liked Shepard more as a Badass Normal or a Badass Abnormal. Badass Normals are more impressive, but less believeable.

My current RenFemShep is so damn powerful that she can even bend reality and change time! She appears to have rewritten events so that Garrus believes she took him on her quest against Saren when she actually left him at the Citadel for the entire game. How cool is that?

No, wait, that sucks.

But, still, time powers!!!

Modifié par Ulicus, 19 février 2010 - 06:01 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Ulicus wrote...

My current RenFemShep is so damn powerful that she can even bend reality and change time! She appears to have rewritten events so that Garrus believes she took him on her quest against Saren when she actually left him at the Citadel for the entire game. How cool is that?

No, wait, that sucks.

But, still, time powers!!!

It's your own fault for making ridiculous decisions.

[Thompson family]

Thresher Maw wrote...

I mean you have characters like Wrex, Aria, Jack to a lesser extent, maybe Samara, and so on. These characters, especially in the case of the first two, are portrayed as being top tier combatants. How does Shepard compare? I'm guessing he's less capable in combat than the top tier fighters, but he obviously makes up for that with leadership ability. That's just a guess though. Thoughts?

Shepard's "greatness" doesn't lie in being the biggest bada**. There are plenty of characters in this story who have physical courage and prowess.

What Sheprad has — at least in Paragon play — is moral courage, the willingness to make tough decisions and to do what's right, not what's easy — and to convince others to do the same.

He's all in. That's why it's such a shame the "We will fight for the Lost" speech isn't in the game itself. It is the essence of Shepard: "We have to give, everything, even our lives."

[Ulicus]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

It's your own fault for making ridiculous decisions.

I'm pretty sure it's BioWare's fault for giving me the option. Just because it doesn't affect any of my main Sheps doesn't make it any less disappointing.