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[Alamar2078]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

My current RenFemShep is so damn powerful that she can even bend reality and change time! She appears to have rewritten events so that Garrus believes she took him on her quest against Saren when she actually left him at the Citadel for the entire game. How cool is that?

No, wait, that sucks.

But, still, time powers!!!

It's your own fault for making ridiculous decisions.

They had a simple solution ... If you never recruited him in ME1 then just don't have him as being recruitable in ME2.  AFAIK there is not a single plot relevant mission where you actually need Garrus.  Miranda can be a leader, Grunt && Zaeed are tough guys with good guns ... There wasn't even any "token" Turian reason why he needs to be around.
 
Then again maybe the fact of recruit or did not recruit isn't even in the save game file so they have no way of knowing if your exact playthrough had Garrus or not.

[Ulicus]

Alamar2078 wrote...

They had a simple solution ... If you never recruited him in ME1 then just don't have him as being recruitable in ME2.  AFAIK there is not a single plot relevant mission where you actually need Garrus.  Miranda can be a leader, Grunt && Zaeed are tough guys with good guns ... There wasn't even any "token" Turian reason why he needs to be around.

Exactly. Miss out on an awesome character and some more exp but, hey, that's your Shep's fault for having been a xenophobe in the first game.

I don't suppose you can trigger Horizon without recruiting Garrus? I'm thinking not.

Ah, well.

Modifié par Ulicus, 19 février 2010 - 06:31 .

[bdawg3103]

Alamar2078 wrote...

They had a simple solution ... If you never recruited him in ME1 then just don't have him as being recruitable in ME2.  AFAIK there is not a single plot relevant mission where you actually need Garrus.  Miranda can be a leader, Grunt && Zaeed are tough guys with good guns ... There wasn't even any "token" Turian reason why he needs to be around.
 
Then again maybe the fact of recruit or did not recruit isn't even in the save game file so they have no way of knowing if your exact playthrough had Garrus or not.

I can see one big impact on ME2... no longer could everyone survive.  Without Garrus' turian weapons knowledge, you get no thanix cannon, therefore you lose someone automatically.  Though i personally didn't care for the perfect ending, alot of people would not be very happy.

[apk117]

Shepard is my Battlemaster. He has no equal.

[addiction21]

apk117 wrote...

Shepard is my Battlemaster. He has no equal.

Wafflemaster > Battlemaster but it seems the Art of the Waffle has been lost in the ME universe   That makes me a sad chicken.

[Black Bizart]

I don't buy that at all. I think you can criticize ME2 on a lot of grounds: the main one being that none of your choices matter much. And, given that none of your choices matter much, if you never recruited Garrus, Archangel turns out to be another Turian. Who provides you with the tech.

No, I don't think this is a design flaw. I don't think that the designers should have anticipated accommodating the vanishingly small percentage of ultra-nerds who followed a very elaborate path to avoid recruiting party members.

Sorry.

bdawg3103 wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

They had a simple solution ... If you never recruited him in ME1 then just don't have him as being recruitable in ME2.  AFAIK there is not a single plot relevant mission where you actually need Garrus.  Miranda can be a leader, Grunt && Zaeed are tough guys with good guns ... There wasn't even any "token" Turian reason why he needs to be around.
 
Then again maybe the fact of recruit or did not recruit isn't even in the save game file so they have no way of knowing if your exact playthrough had Garrus or not.

I can see one big impact on ME2... no longer could everyone survive.  Without Garrus' turian weapons knowledge, you get no thanix cannon, therefore you lose someone automatically.  Though i personally didn't care for the perfect ending, alot of people would not be very happy.

[Lord Exar]

Bartlebyfinch wrote...

Lord Exar wrote...

You know, in ME1 when I played as Adept, I felt like the strongest biotic on the team. I was a biotic god, so to speak. In ME2, I felt like my biotic abilities should fail in comparison to people like Samara and Jack. Made me feel like less of a power house.

Interesting.  Are you speaking from a story/cinematics POV?  Samara and Jack are ungodly biotic powerhouses who put an Adept Shepard's meager biotic abilities to shame - according to the story/cinematics.  In terms of their actual abilities within the game, though... Shepard is more than twice as powerful as either of them.  

Shepard's biotics do more damage, he has a larger range of abilities, he has the ability to customize what he is able to learn, and (most importantly), the cooldown on all of his abilities is MUCH faster than those of any of the other characters.  Since Jack is "possibly the most powerful human biotic ever created" and Samara is a powerful biotic among a race where biotics are the norm, it is probably safe to assume that an adept Shepard is possibly the most powerful biotic in the known galaxy.  I will agree with Exar though, that the game doesn't make it seem like he/she is very powerful.  

Here's the funny part - In ME1, where you DO feel a bit more powerful when you play a biotic, and your team's abilities aren't really played up very much... it is arguable that you AREN'T the most powerful biotic in the game.  Granted, nobody could do the Bastion Stasis abuse thing as well as you, but the wider range of powers on everyone, the lack of a global cooldown (which makes Shepard's faster timer an even bigger advantage) and the very powerful class powers that your team-mates had access to made for a much closer to level playing field. 


Of course, a lot of this has to do with the fact that biotics are so weak in general in ME2.  Soldier Shepard would kill Adept Shepard 10/10 times in a 1 on 1 fight... and that is DEFINITELY a change from the last game.

Yeah, I'm definitely talking about the story.  Jack has been, essentially, tortured from childhood to create the ultimate human biotic and Samara is a beastly biotic in a race of biotics.  In ME1 I felt as though my Shep was, at the least, a powerful biotic, especially in comparison to his team.  Liara never appeared, to me, as a real biotic powerhouse, but a typical asari with good genes.

In ME2, biotic game mechanics aside, it seems as though two of your teammates are godly compared to you.  It could even be argued that Miranda is probably a stronger biotic then you considering the manipulation that's been applied to her.  However, she may could simply be your equal since we don't know the extent of Shep's Cerberus enhancements.

Story-wise, it's impossible for Shep to compare to Jack or Samara.  Obviously, in reality, you're a juggernaut compared to the two of them when it comes to actually playing the game, but I'm a pretty big fan of story.  I know some people prefer to their protagonists to be weaker and overcome greater odds, but I'm a fan of having one unique talent that sets you above the rest.

Don't get me wrong, Shep has plenty of talents that set him above the others.  His ability to lead, his strategic mind, and his determination are just some of the more obvious things, but I miss feeling like the strongest of the team.  If you're a soldier in ME2, you can easily see how you're the baddest commando of the bunch or if you're an engineer you're the most tech savvy of the group (Mordin's more of an M.D. in my mind).  Even an Infiltrator you feel like a superior sniper then Garrus 'cause you're tech know-how has allowed you to come up with a cloaking shield of sorts which gives you an edge in an otherwise mutually achieved skill.

I'm not complaining so much as just making an observation.  It's certainly something that's worthy of discussion, I think.

[Ulicus]

Black Bizart wrote...

No, I don't think this is a design flaw. I don't think that the designers should have anticipated accommodating the vanishingly small percentage of ultra-nerds who followed a very elaborate path to avoid recruiting party members.

I just said "no" when Garrus asked to join. Wasn't too elaborate. Picking up Wrex first doesn't require a walkthrough. *Shrug*

[addiction21]

Ulicus wrote...

Black Bizart wrote...

No, I don't think this is a design flaw. I don't think that the designers should have anticipated accommodating the vanishingly small percentage of ultra-nerds who followed a very elaborate path to avoid recruiting party members.

I just said "no" when Garrus asked to join. Wasn't too elaborate. Picking up Wrex first doesn't require a walkthrough. *Shrug*

I just completely missed doing that mission. I did not know I was a ultra-nerd or being elaborate...  oh well.

[kallikles]

Lord Exar wrote...

Bartlebyfinch wrote...

Lord Exar wrote...

You know, in ME1 when I played as Adept, I felt like the strongest biotic on the team. I was a biotic god, so to speak. In ME2, I felt like my biotic abilities should fail in comparison to people like Samara and Jack. Made me feel like less of a power house.

Interesting.  Are you speaking from a story/cinematics POV?  Samara and Jack are ungodly biotic powerhouses who put an Adept Shepard's meager biotic abilities to shame - according to the story/cinematics.  In terms of their actual abilities within the game, though... Shepard is more than twice as powerful as either of them.  

Shepard's biotics do more damage, he has a larger range of abilities, he has the ability to customize what he is able to learn, and (most importantly), the cooldown on all of his abilities is MUCH faster than those of any of the other characters.  Since Jack is "possibly the most powerful human biotic ever created" and Samara is a powerful biotic among a race where biotics are the norm, it is probably safe to assume that an adept Shepard is possibly the most powerful biotic in the known galaxy.  I will agree with Exar though, that the game doesn't make it seem like he/she is very powerful.  

Here's the funny part - In ME1, where you DO feel a bit more powerful when you play a biotic, and your team's abilities aren't really played up very much... it is arguable that you AREN'T the most powerful biotic in the game.  Granted, nobody could do the Bastion Stasis abuse thing as well as you, but the wider range of powers on everyone, the lack of a global cooldown (which makes Shepard's faster timer an even bigger advantage) and the very powerful class powers that your team-mates had access to made for a much closer to level playing field. 


Of course, a lot of this has to do with the fact that biotics are so weak in general in ME2.  Soldier Shepard would kill Adept Shepard 10/10 times in a 1 on 1 fight... and that is DEFINITELY a change from the last game.

Yeah, I'm definitely talking about the story.  Jack has been, essentially, tortured from childhood to create the ultimate human biotic and Samara is a beastly biotic in a race of biotics.  In ME1 I felt as though my Shep was, at the least, a powerful biotic, especially in comparison to his team.  Liara never appeared, to me, as a real biotic powerhouse, but a typical asari with good genes.

In ME2, biotic game mechanics aside, it seems as though two of your teammates are godly compared to you.  It could even be argued that Miranda is probably a stronger biotic then you considering the manipulation that's been applied to her.  However, she may could simply be your equal since we don't know the extent of Shep's Cerberus enhancements.

Story-wise, it's impossible for Shep to compare to Jack or Samara.  Obviously, in reality, you're a juggernaut compared to the two of them when it comes to actually playing the game, but I'm a pretty big fan of story.  I know some people prefer to their protagonists to be weaker and overcome greater odds, but I'm a fan of having one unique talent that sets you above the rest.

Don't get me wrong, Shep has plenty of talents that set him above the others.  His ability to lead, his strategic mind, and his determination are just some of the more obvious things, but I miss feeling like the strongest of the team.  If you're a soldier in ME2, you can easily see how you're the baddest commando of the bunch or if you're an engineer you're the most tech savvy of the group (Mordin's more of an M.D. in my mind).  Even an Infiltrator you feel like a superior sniper then Garrus 'cause you're tech know-how has allowed you to come up with a cloaking shield of sorts which gives you an edge in an otherwise mutually achieved skill.

I'm not complaining so much as just making an observation.  It's certainly something that's worthy of discussion, I think.

Shepard is the ultimate soldier. He might be a traditional soldier, one with tech abilities, or one with biotic abilities, but in the end, a soldier is what he is. That means he has a broad skillset at his disposal, with many different ways to defeat his opponents.

Even as an adept, he's still an excellent marksman. Even as an engineer, he can punch out the average krogan. That versatility is what makes him a powerhouse. Jack would be little more than an average mercenary without her biotics. Adept Shepard would be able to take out an entire base of mercenaries without his powers, using just a pistol.

Samara and Jack are better biotics, Legion and Tali are better techs, Grunt and Zaeed are better infantry, Thane is a better assassin, etc. But Shepard is the best all-round fighter in the whole damn universe.

A battle between Shepard and Jack wouldn't have Shepard overpower her with his biotic powers. Instead, he'd use those as defense while he shot her or knocked her out.

Compare it to boxing. Jack and Samara are huge, muscular, steroid-using beasts. Shepard is the guy who also has technique, footwork, strategy, etc.

[Alamar2078]

Shepard wouldn't need to go to much trouble vs. Jack. Just get her pissed, have her charge the position he was at .... when she gets there she sees a pile of explosives just a little too late and "boom" .... A fight vs. Samara ends in a similar way except he just uses the code against her so she puts herself in a suicidal position ... and that's that.

Note: Shepard wouldn't win a "fair" biotic vs. biotic fight.  He'd use his other skills or outsmart the others to put them in unwinnable positions.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 20 février 2010 - 02:58 .

[Lord Exar]

kallikles wrote...

Lord Exar wrote...

Bartlebyfinch wrote...

Lord Exar wrote...

You know, in ME1 when I played as Adept, I felt like the strongest biotic on the team. I was a biotic god, so to speak. In ME2, I felt like my biotic abilities should fail in comparison to people like Samara and Jack. Made me feel like less of a power house.

Interesting.  Are you speaking from a story/cinematics POV?  Samara and Jack are ungodly biotic powerhouses who put an Adept Shepard's meager biotic abilities to shame - according to the story/cinematics.  In terms of their actual abilities within the game, though... Shepard is more than twice as powerful as either of them.  

Shepard's biotics do more damage, he has a larger range of abilities, he has the ability to customize what he is able to learn, and (most importantly), the cooldown on all of his abilities is MUCH faster than those of any of the other characters.  Since Jack is "possibly the most powerful human biotic ever created" and Samara is a powerful biotic among a race where biotics are the norm, it is probably safe to assume that an adept Shepard is possibly the most powerful biotic in the known galaxy.  I will agree with Exar though, that the game doesn't make it seem like he/she is very powerful.  

Here's the funny part - In ME1, where you DO feel a bit more powerful when you play a biotic, and your team's abilities aren't really played up very much... it is arguable that you AREN'T the most powerful biotic in the game.  Granted, nobody could do the Bastion Stasis abuse thing as well as you, but the wider range of powers on everyone, the lack of a global cooldown (which makes Shepard's faster timer an even bigger advantage) and the very powerful class powers that your team-mates had access to made for a much closer to level playing field. 


Of course, a lot of this has to do with the fact that biotics are so weak in general in ME2.  Soldier Shepard would kill Adept Shepard 10/10 times in a 1 on 1 fight... and that is DEFINITELY a change from the last game.

Yeah, I'm definitely talking about the story.  Jack has been, essentially, tortured from childhood to create the ultimate human biotic and Samara is a beastly biotic in a race of biotics.  In ME1 I felt as though my Shep was, at the least, a powerful biotic, especially in comparison to his team.  Liara never appeared, to me, as a real biotic powerhouse, but a typical asari with good genes.

In ME2, biotic game mechanics aside, it seems as though two of your teammates are godly compared to you.  It could even be argued that Miranda is probably a stronger biotic then you considering the manipulation that's been applied to her.  However, she may could simply be your equal since we don't know the extent of Shep's Cerberus enhancements.

Story-wise, it's impossible for Shep to compare to Jack or Samara.  Obviously, in reality, you're a juggernaut compared to the two of them when it comes to actually playing the game, but I'm a pretty big fan of story.  I know some people prefer to their protagonists to be weaker and overcome greater odds, but I'm a fan of having one unique talent that sets you above the rest.

Don't get me wrong, Shep has plenty of talents that set him above the others.  His ability to lead, his strategic mind, and his determination are just some of the more obvious things, but I miss feeling like the strongest of the team.  If you're a soldier in ME2, you can easily see how you're the baddest commando of the bunch or if you're an engineer you're the most tech savvy of the group (Mordin's more of an M.D. in my mind).  Even an Infiltrator you feel like a superior sniper then Garrus 'cause you're tech know-how has allowed you to come up with a cloaking shield of sorts which gives you an edge in an otherwise mutually achieved skill.

I'm not complaining so much as just making an observation.  It's certainly something that's worthy of discussion, I think.

Shepard is the ultimate soldier. He might be a traditional soldier, one with tech abilities, or one with biotic abilities, but in the end, a soldier is what he is. That means he has a broad skillset at his disposal, with many different ways to defeat his opponents.

Even as an adept, he's still an excellent marksman. Even as an engineer, he can punch out the average krogan. That versatility is what makes him a powerhouse. Jack would be little more than an average mercenary without her biotics. Adept Shepard would be able to take out an entire base of mercenaries without his powers, using just a pistol.

Samara and Jack are better biotics, Legion and Tali are better techs, Grunt and Zaeed are better infantry, Thane is a better assassin, etc. But Shepard is the best all-round fighter in the whole damn universe.

A battle between Shepard and Jack wouldn't have Shepard overpower her with his biotic powers. Instead, he'd use those as defense while he shot her or knocked her out.

Compare it to boxing. Jack and Samara are huge, muscular, steroid-using beasts. Shepard is the guy who also has technique, footwork, strategy, etc.

I actually disagree.  I think you could absolutely argue that an Infiltrator or Vanguard is what you're describing.  I think the idea that Shepard is the perfect soldier is great for the spectrum of Soldier related classes.  He's the best marksman if he's an Infiltrator or he's the best when it comes to putting a buckshot in the head of anyone who gets in his way, but it's just not the case when it comes to the Adept.

The big reason for this is because an Adept deals with his natural abilities.  You can't learn to be a strong biotic, you just are.  I agree with you that Shepard's other qualities puts him on another level when comparing to his squadmates, which I mentioned earlier.  His leadership, determinination, and things of that nature are things that nobody else in the game, let alone his squad, can match.  However, my point was that in ME1 an Adept Shepard came across as a force to be reckoned with because of his biotic abilities.  Meanwhile, the story of ME2 makes it very clear you're really not that much of a biotic badass as you may've thought.

Conversely, any of the other classes you can reason you are just as much of a badass as you want to be.  Like you said, you're the best damn elite soldier/commando this side of the universe.  So, any of those classes which is gun related you can easily, story-wise, rationalize that you're a badass.  A Soldier is a walking arsenal of awesome.  An Infiltrator is a marksman with no equal.  A Vanguard is the in-your-face lunatic who's craziness is only matched by his deadliness.  An Engineer is purely skill and equipment so there's no reason why you can't reason that you're the best.  Your powers reflect your skill (again, story-wise).  Sentinel is iffy, but the amalgam of biotics and tech seems to be so unique that your existence makes you feel like your own little gem.  An Adept was, in ME1, the same way.  Your biotics were incredible and you clearly stood out amongst your species.  However, in ME2, the presence of Jack and Samara depreciate your awesomeness because, story-wise, they're that awesome.

If we run with the idea that Shep, despite his class, is always going to pull the "my gun skills are more awesome then yours" then why bother having a class that's purely biotic?  In my opinion, I think the point of classes like Engineer and Adept is because you don't have to use a gun to be a badass.  I'm not saying that Shep is fumbling around while trying to reload, but that he excels in being able to take down the enemy tech or by using his biotics to crush his opponents, literally.

I'm not suggesting that what you're saying doesn't have merit, 'cause it does.  I just think that the "my gun is better then your gun" description of Shepard isn't always necessarily the correct one and that Adept Shepard kind of had his thunder stolen by people like Jack and Samara.  Perhaps my pride in my Adept Shep has just been wounded since she (yeah, my Adept Shep is a femShep) isn't taking out YMIR mechs effortlessly or floating about in the air all graceful-like.

[Terraneaux]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Note: Shepard wouldn't win a "fair" biotic vs. biotic fight.  He'd use his other skills or outsmart the others to put them in unwinnable positions.

Debatable.  ME2, which introduces both of these characters, doesn't ever acknowledge shep as a biotic at all in dialogue, and it's implied that shep was the highest spiking user of the l3 implants.  I'd imagine Shep is less flashy than Samara or especially Jack, but flashy doesn't mean powerful.

[Taerda]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

You know I always felt it was unfair how Shepard was (statistically speaking) the strongest person in the entire universe. I mean he gets 52 squad pts in total while the others only get 30-31. I really don't think he needs to be THAT strong to lead his team. After all he is just the leader. No one ever said he needs to be the strongest.

Some Shepards are born without common sense and/or intelligence so they need the additional points to overcome the AI.

Seriously - I view Shepard as the Carl Whatshisname of the ME2 Universe. Carl is the Marine Corp Sniper who held off an entire battalion by himself during the Vietnam War as well as a couple of other legendary feats such as shooting an enemy sniper through the enemy's scope. Legendary for his time.

Modifié par Taerda, 20 février 2010 - 02:03 .

[vigna]

Plus he's the most influential "human" in the galaxy. I'm using Paragon Shep here--everyone owes him--entire races owe him. He is tied into the alliance, the spectre program, the cerberus organization, he has(depending) worked and helped the shadow broker, saved the Rachni, helped the Geth, friends/lover with Liara who is starting to rival the shadow broker, knows the krogan king (may or may not have a cure), knows Quarian Admirals and helped their fleet (Tali is now even more important), helped the former leader of the Blue Suns, helped the strongest human biotic, helped a Justicar and earned her loyalty, helped the Salarians several times, and is on great terms with C-Sec, etc, etc, etc.

Granted these are paragon choices, but man, when you combine these things with his own battle and leadership prowess he is surely the most powerful, and potentially dangerous man in the galaxy.

[UnAffectedFiddle]

Shepard is a top line fighter, no doubt. I dont think she is singularly as powerful as some of her allies but gameplay mechanics require a baseline for everyone or else there is no balance. You cant have Jack totally everything when shes angry because there would be no game.

We know Shepard is an ace tactician and leader, again represented in an abstract way by the HUD and game mechanics.

However I feel Shepards dominating characteristic is her indomitable willpower and tenacity. Shepard dies only to be ressurected and in no time is back into fighting, even when the scientists can barely believe shes moving around yet. Look at the backgrounds

Sole Survivor - single survivor of a devstating ambush.
Ruthless - charged through murderous conditions, driving her men and herself directly into the very worst fighting possible.
War Hero - held off a massive offence almost single handedly.

The sheer force of willpower Shepard brings to bare is her major strength. This is why I think Joker says Zaeed is just like Shepard.

"Rage is a hell of an anesthetic" (close enough anyway)

This is a man whos willpower has seen him through a list of impossible missions, taking a bullet to the head all while being sublime in terms of the raw oomph suggested by Jack and Samara. Thats Shepard, a top line soldier (irrelevant of your class, your a special ops "soldier") and commander with an unshakeable willpower to never falter.

This is why she can stand against the reapers, her resolve and willpower is absolute. Much like Zaeed she will take a beating, but once the dust settles she's still standing, battered and bruised, but victorious.

(Also bioware assumes the main character is a "soldier" class so there is no real comparison of your biotics. That being said an Asari Matriarch is considered the near pinnacle of biotics right?).

Modifié par UnAffectedFiddle, 20 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[kallikles]

Lord Exar wrote...

I actually disagree.  I think you could absolutely argue that an Infiltrator or Vanguard is what you're describing.  I think the idea that Shepard is the perfect soldier is great for the spectrum of Soldier related classes.  He's the best marksman if he's an Infiltrator or he's the best when it comes to putting a buckshot in the head of anyone who gets in his way, but it's just not the case when it comes to the Adept.

The big reason for this is because an Adept deals with his natural abilities.  You can't learn to be a strong biotic, you just are.  I agree with you that Shepard's other qualities puts him on another level when comparing to his squadmates, which I mentioned earlier.  His leadership, determinination, and things of that nature are things that nobody else in the game, let alone his squad, can match.  However, my point was that in ME1 an Adept Shepard came across as a force to be reckoned with because of his biotic abilities.  Meanwhile, the story of ME2 makes it very clear you're really not that much of a biotic badass as you may've thought.

Conversely, any of the other classes you can reason you are just as much of a badass as you want to be.  Like you said, you're the best damn elite soldier/commando this side of the universe.  So, any of those classes which is gun related you can easily, story-wise, rationalize that you're a badass.  A Soldier is a walking arsenal of awesome.  An Infiltrator is a marksman with no equal.  A Vanguard is the in-your-face lunatic who's craziness is only matched by his deadliness.  An Engineer is purely skill and equipment so there's no reason why you can't reason that you're the best.  Your powers reflect your skill (again, story-wise).  Sentinel is iffy, but the amalgam of biotics and tech seems to be so unique that your existence makes you feel like your own little gem.  An Adept was, in ME1, the same way.  Your biotics were incredible and you clearly stood out amongst your species.  However, in ME2, the presence of Jack and Samara depreciate your awesomeness because, story-wise, they're that awesome.

If we run with the idea that Shep, despite his class, is always going to pull the "my gun skills are more awesome then yours" then why bother having a class that's purely biotic?  In my opinion, I think the point of classes like Engineer and Adept is because you don't have to use a gun to be a badass.  I'm not saying that Shep is fumbling around while trying to reload, but that he excels in being able to take down the enemy tech or by using his biotics to crush his opponents, literally.

I'm not suggesting that what you're saying doesn't have merit, 'cause it does.  I just think that the "my gun is better then your gun" description of Shepard isn't always necessarily the correct one and that Adept Shepard kind of had his thunder stolen by people like Jack and Samara.  Perhaps my pride in my Adept Shep has just been wounded since she (yeah, my Adept Shep is a femShep) isn't taking out YMIR mechs effortlessly or floating about in the air all graceful-like.

You're forgetting that Shep (and yes, that includes Adept Shep) has graduated from the single most elite human special forces training program in existence: N7. Regardless of his class, that means that he is both extremely talented and extremely well-trained in virtually anything related to combat.

As an Adept, you're an elite commando with biotic powers. Shepard would be a force to be reckoned with even without weapons and special powers. Given both, however, he is virtually unstoppable.

[Terraneaux]

kallikles wrote...

You're forgetting that Shep (and yes, that includes Adept Shep) has graduated from the single most elite human special forces training program in existence: N7. Regardless of his class, that means that he is both extremely talented and extremely well-trained in virtually anything related to combat.

As an Adept, you're an elite commando with biotic powers. Shepard would be a force to be reckoned with even without weapons and special powers. Given both, however, he is virtually unstoppable.

Based off of the actual player choices in the ME games, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Shepard is on par with Jack as far as biotic power goes.  In particular, based off of the idea that most players went the Bastion/cooldown reduction route with their Adepts, I'd imagine that Sheps biotics aren't particularly flashy or powerful compared to Jack (and I'm guessing that Jack is more powerful than Samara) but Shep has endurance for days when it comes to biotics.  Remember in ME1 when Benezia is practically falling over after spamming so many powers?  Shep just keeps going.  

[Schneidend]

Shep is somewhere along the lines of The Boss from the Metal Gear Solid universe, Master Chief from the Halo franchise, Ryu from Street Fighter, Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio del Toro in The Hunted, Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men, and Liam Neeson in real life.



I think The Boss is the most apt. She fought in World War 2 while pregnant, performed a c-section on herself in the middle of a battlefield, and proceeded to never die until she finally decided to lose on purpose for the good of America.



Basically, nobody could stop Shepard even if they wanted to.