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[walk0nwalls]

As it has already been stated in numerous other threads, one of the
primary writing weaknesses of ME2's story is its choice of antagonists:
the Reapers.

They are large, they are intimidating, they provide
an endless supply of enemies to fight which makes them fantastic for
gameplay designers. And they are completely and entirely without
motivation.

So! This thread is meant to rectify this significant
flaw in writing with suggestions from we, the consumers. Your best
pitches as to what motiates the Reapers, why do they want to destroy the
galaxy, what do they want, why do they want it, and why have they
deemed this is the best method to further their goals?

Begin
story pitches in 3, 2, 1, go.

[Internet Kraken]

I suppose my culture theory applies to their motivation. I'm to lazy to retype to whole thing, so here;s a copy+paste.

Internet Kraken wrote...



Many people have wondered why the Reapers constantly allow civilizations to build itself up, only to swiftly destroy it. There are many theories as to why. You could think that the Reapers are just using organics as a food source, but arguably there are easier ways to cultivate and sustain organic food than allowing civilizations to constantly evolve and then fall. Rather I think they do it because the Reaper's culture involves preserving the most advanced and valuable species for eternity as Reapers. Reapers are not one single species, but rather a combination of all species ascended into a higher form of life. The best the galaxy has ever produced, all united under one banner.



The Reapers were not just trying to build any ordinary Reaper. They wanted to build a Human Reaper. Not to lead a massive attack against the Citadel, but rather becuase this is the Reaper's culture. They believe Humans are the species with the greatest potential. If they were just trying to build a generic Reaper, they could have used any species. Arguably it would be a lot easier to target something other than human colonies. But they specifically wanted to turn humans into the Reapers. Think about Harbinger's dialogue. He refers to the process of turning humans into genetic paste to fuel the larva's growth as "ascension". Why use that word in particular? Why not call it "assimilation"? Or "consumption"? "Ascension" implies that they are raising humans to be what they consider to be a higher form of life. They see value in humans.



But what about Sovereign? He didn't seem to like organics at all. Why turn them into Reapers. Well I believe that the Reapers may have considered the current organic "crop" to be a failure, not worthy of being turned into Reapers. This could be for a number of reasons. I think it's because the galaxy had a very diverse category of sentient lifeforms, with no one species appearing to be dominant. The Protheans appeared to be the undisputed rulers of the galaxy at the time of their downfall. This is the Reapers idea of the perfect organic race to harvest. One species that follows their predetermined line of technological advancement, rather than a handful of species that all do so at the same time. So the Reapers were all set to just wipe every race out and start from scratch. What changed this? Well humans killed a Reaper. The game often alludes to the idea that by killing a Reaper, we grabbed their attention. To delay the extinction cycle and kill a powerful Reaper in the process would probably interest them. So Harbinger now thinks that humans are worthy of ascension into the ultimate life form.



If you're wondering why they didn't do this to the Protheans, it's because the Prothean Reaper failed. Instead they turned them into the Collectors, so that they would still serve a purpose.



In short; Reapers wanted to create a Human Reaper for cultural reasons, not military strength.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Fear.

[walk0nwalls]

Internet Kraken wrote...

I suppose my culture theory applies to their motivation. I'm to lazy to retype to whole thing, so here;s a copy+paste.

The problem as I see it with that theory is that - as Mordin says - culture arises from needs and desires and the ingenuity applied to how to sate or solve those needs and desires. The Reapers remain an unknowable force in the ME universe. It wouldn't make any particular sense for them to have a culture that evolved out of an absence of needs and desires. The necessity of doing something has to precede the value of doing it. Economies necessarily precede the cultural value of economies, it's how culture evolves and comes into being.

In order for the Reapers to have a culture, they would first have to have needs. As of yet I don't think we really know anything about the Reapers.

[z4t001]

i believe the reapers exist as more or less immortal beings and in their superintelligent morals they believe the best way to continue to exist immortally and grow is to induct new members into their immortal society.

[Internet Kraken]

walk0nwalls wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I suppose my culture theory applies to their motivation. I'm to lazy to retype to whole thing, so here;s a copy+paste.

The problem as I see it with that theory is that - as Mordin says - culture arises from needs and desires and the ingenuity applied to how to sate or solve those needs and desires. The Reapers remain an unknowable force in the ME universe. It wouldn't make any particular sense for them to have a culture that evolved out of an absence of needs and desires. The necessity of doing something has to precede the value of doing it. Economies necessarily precede the cultural value of economies, it's how culture evolves and comes into being.

In order for the Reapers to have a culture, they would first have to have needs. As of yet I don't think we really know anything about the Reapers.

It seems like the Reaper do have needs though. The most obvious one being the need to reproduce. I was just trying to thiink of justification for their rather bizzare method of reproduction. And Reaper culture could have originated from the goals of the first Reaper. Of course we don;t know anything about that so speculation is nearly impossible.

Though I gues it;s hard to thinkin of an explanation for anything the Reapers do since we know so little about them. Oh well, I tried.

[stillnotking]

They are waiting for a race to create ice cream that never gives you a headache. When it doesn't happen, they get frustrated and kill everyone.

[Lord_Metal666]

They're trying to find Carth, they're really angry at him for running away from Revan, and want give him a stern talking to. Problem is Carths main ability is "hide", so the Reapers can't find him, this makes the Reapers angry.



Every 50 thousand years though Carth comes out of hiding to buy food. The Reapers knowing this come out of hibernation, and enter the galaxy and attempt to find Carth.



Problem is Carth is too good for them, and is able to hide again before the Reapers can find him, this makes the reapers angry, they go into a blood rage, and then proceed to destroy all life in the galaxy.

[walk0nwalls]

Well, seems this is as good as responses will get.

[Sleepicub09]

appearantly harbinger wants to **** sheps brains out like a boss