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[Ehlisuun]

Batarians are fine, I would just rather have existing or ME squadmates back instead.

[this isnt my name]

My plan for ME3 is to sacrafice them, to beat the reapers. BDtS, mindor, the 2 missiles, slavery is culture, all hate humans...yeah they arent needed in gthe univers, I will let the reapers deal with them.

[GenericPlayer2]

Only two people I met in the game that I wished could have been on my squad were Jentha and Reegar.



As for Batarians, their incendiary screams are among the best, second only to Salarians. I am kind of pissed that the Franklin Colony mission (kill switch for missiles one) did not spawn a new mission, perhaps a retaliatory strike on a Batarian colony.

[Beechwell]

Also in favour of Batarian squad mate.
Make him/her unique and honorable, and able to show us some good sides of Batarian culture (there are bound to be some. Even humans have their good sides ), but make him be a an ardent slavery apologist ("They have it better here than at some run-down colony." "Yes, some slave traders step way over the line, but those are isolated cases, most slaves we buy from their own people."). It would be good if we can come to respect that Batarian, even if we vehemently disagree with some of his culture's values (as we do with other cultures here on earth as well).

[Varenus Luckmann]

I would've loved a Batarian squad member, actually. We recruit all kinds of people, based on them being the best. Many occupy a shade of grey. Samara is hardly a Paladin, but is very cold and calculating in her code. Thane is a gun for hire that no doubt have killed many that were, in the end, innocent on one level or another. Garrus is a vigilante, even if he is a noble one. Mordin engineered the Genophage. Others are much more noble, such as Tali.

I would've loved a Batarian that goes against the general perception of Batarians. They aren't all terrorists and slavers, I'm sure.

Zaeed should've been a Batarian (and had proper dialogue).

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 19 février 2010 - 03:32 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Beechwell wrote...
Also in favour of Batarian squad mate.

Make him/her unique and honorable, and able to show us some good sides of Batarian culture [...] but make him be an ardent slavery apologist ("They have it better here than at some run-down colony." "Yes, some slave traders step way over the line, but those are isolated cases, most slaves we buy from their own people."). It would be good if we can come to respect that Batarian, even if we vehemently disagree with some of his culture's values (as we do with other cultures here on earth as well).

Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking. Completely and utterly spot-on. Kudos.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 19 février 2010 - 03:33 .

[this isnt my name]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I would've loved a Batarian squad member, actually. We recruit all kinds of people, based on them being the best. Many occupy a shade of grey. Samara is hardly a Paladin, but is very cold and calculating in her code. Thane is a gun for hire that no doubt have killed many that were, in the end, innocent on one level or another. Garrus is a vigilante, even if he is a noble one. Mordin engineered the Genophage. Others are much more noble, such as Tali.

I would've loved a Batarian that goes against the general perception of Batarians. They aren't all terrorists and slavers, I'm sure.

Zaeed should've been a Batarian (and had proper dialogue).

But Mordin is noble, he feels bad about the genophage, but still did what he had to to save people, that makesw him one of the best characters in game IMO.

[Madecologist]

Beechwell wrote...

Also in favour of Batarian squad mate.
Make him/her unique and honorable, and able to show us some good sides of Batarian culture (there are bound to be some. Even humans have their good sides ), but make him be a an ardent slavery apologist ("They have it better here than at some run-down colony." "Yes, some slave traders step way over the line, but those are isolated cases, most slaves we buy from their own people."). It would be good if we can come to respect that Batarian, even if we vehemently disagree with some of his culture's values (as we do with other cultures here on earth as well).

Heck he could even make a comment that not all Batarian's like slavery. Just like how there are humans out there that actually do buy and sell slaves. Points out he has been reading human history since he joined and we humans were quite fond of the practice too.

It would make for very solid dialogue.

I am actually writing up a short transcript for a friend. Give him an idea what a dialogue between Shepard and the Batarian Squaddie would be like in my mind.

Modifié par Madecologist, 19 février 2010 - 03:36 .

[SL22]

Batarians are all the same in every single way, they're angry douchebags... also there is no physical difference between any of them.

[marshalleck]

Beechwell wrote...

Also in favour of Batarian squad mate.
Make him/her unique and honorable, and able to show us some good sides of Batarian culture (there are bound to be some. Even humans have their good sides ), but make him be a an ardent slavery apologist ("They have it better here than at some run-down colony." "Yes, some slave traders step way over the line, but those are isolated cases, most slaves we buy from their own people."). It would be good if we can come to respect that Batarian, even if we vehemently disagree with some of his culture's values (as we do with other cultures here on earth as well).

Sure, as long as my ruthless colonist Shepard can deal with that character the same way he dealt with Balak's croney who was making excuses about "this was only supposed to be a simple slave grab.."

Wrong answer.

[Varenus Luckmann]

this isnt my name wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I would've loved a Batarian squad member, actually. We recruit all kinds of people, based on them being the best. Many occupy a shade of grey. Samara is hardly a Paladin, but is very cold and calculating in her code. Thane is a gun for hire that no doubt have killed many that were, in the end, innocent on one level or another. Garrus is a vigilante, even if he is a noble one. Mordin engineered the Genophage. Others are much more noble, such as Tali.

I would've loved a Batarian that goes against the general perception of Batarians. They aren't all terrorists and slavers, I'm sure.

Zaeed should've been a Batarian (and had proper dialogue).

But Mordin is noble, he feels bad about the genophage, but still did what he had to to save people, that makesw him one of the best characters in game IMO.

I completely agree. I really like Mordin. He believes what he did was the best solution for all, including the krogans. Thane is also a honourable character, who consider himself not a murderer, but a weapon in the hands of whomever uses him. Samara is to many, no doubt, a paragon of goodness and justice in the universe, despite her cold attitude. Jack is a violent murderer, but in the end she's just a damaged child.

My entire point was "shades of grey". None of these people are truly evil, just like none of them are truly good. No matter how alien, they are all victims to the human condition - and I'd like a Batarian squadmate that is just the same. I loved the suggestion of Beechwell.

A "good" character that defends slavery.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 19 février 2010 - 03:39 .

[this isnt my name]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I would've loved a Batarian squad member, actually. We recruit all kinds of people, based on them being the best. Many occupy a shade of grey. Samara is hardly a Paladin, but is very cold and calculating in her code. Thane is a gun for hire that no doubt have killed many that were, in the end, innocent on one level or another. Garrus is a vigilante, even if he is a noble one. Mordin engineered the Genophage. Others are much more noble, such as Tali.

I would've loved a Batarian that goes against the general perception of Batarians. They aren't all terrorists and slavers, I'm sure.

Zaeed should've been a Batarian (and had proper dialogue).

But Mordin is noble, he feels bad about the genophage, but still did what he had to to save people, that makesw him one of the best characters in game IMO.

I completely agree. I really like Mordin. He believes what he did was the best solution for all, including the krogans. Thane is also a honourable character, who consider himself not a murderer, but a weapon in the hands of whomever uses him. Samara is to many, no doubt, a paragon of goodness and justice in the universe, despite her cold attitude. Jack is a violent murderer, but in the end she's just a damaged child.

My entire point was "shades of grey". None of these people are truly evil, just like none of them are truly good. No matter how alien, they are all victims to the human condition - and I'd like a Batarian squadmate that is just the same. I loved the suggestion of Beechwell.

A "good" character that defends slavery.

Im not saying you didnt like them im just saying that personally Mordin is more noble than Tali, as she still complains about loosing her homeworld after trying to wipe out the geth, hardly noble if you try yo attack someone and they hit back, then act like the victim.

[Internet Kraken]

Prior to Mass Effect 2 I thought a Salarian squadmate would be incredibly lame. But Mordin is one of my favorite squadmates. So I say let BioWare make a Batarian squadmate. I'm sure they would do a good job.

[marshalleck]

this isnt my name wrote...

Im not saying you didnt like them im just saying that personally Mordin is more noble than Tali, as she still complains about loosing her homeworld after trying to wipe out the geth, hardly noble if you try yo attack someone and they hit back, then act like the victim.

You know Legion says himself that the geth went too far in what they did to the quarians?

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2010 - 03:50 .

[TyDurden13]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Prior to Mass Effect 2 I thought a Salarian squadmate would be incredibly lame. But Mordin is one of my favorite squadmates. So I say let BioWare make a Batarian squadmate. I'm sure they would do a good job.

After Virmire in ME1, I was dying for  a salarian squadmate - and mordin delivered on that 110%.  Batarian would be cool - it would be interesting to get that point of view.  I am pulling for the return of a good amount of our ME2 mates more than anything else, but one of the newbies being a batarian would be welcome.

[this isnt my name]

marshalleck wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Im not saying you didnt like them im just saying that personally Mordin is more noble than Tali, as she still complains about loosing her homeworld after trying to wipe out the geth, hardly noble if you try yo attack someone and they hit back, then act like the victim.

You know Legion says himself that the geth went too far in what they did to the quarians?

And then they stopped, then on Talis quest you find the quarians are still planning against the geth, the quarians get no sympathy for what happened. I dont like them being bullied by other races, but in no way are they a victim of the geth/quarian war.

[marshalleck]

The quarians alive in the game are not the same quarians that tried to kill off the geth. And there isn't a consensus among the quarians that another war is needed. Some of the quarians are victims of the mistakes of their ancestors.

[anmiro]

this isnt my name wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I would've loved a Batarian squad member, actually. We recruit all kinds of people, based on them being the best. Many occupy a shade of grey. Samara is hardly a Paladin, but is very cold and calculating in her code. Thane is a gun for hire that no doubt have killed many that were, in the end, innocent on one level or another. Garrus is a vigilante, even if he is a noble one. Mordin engineered the Genophage. Others are much more noble, such as Tali.

I would've loved a Batarian that goes against the general perception of Batarians. They aren't all terrorists and slavers, I'm sure.

Zaeed should've been a Batarian (and had proper dialogue).

But Mordin is noble, he feels bad about the genophage, but still did what he had to to save people, that makesw him one of the best characters in game IMO.

I completely agree. I really like Mordin. He believes what he did was the best solution for all, including the krogans. Thane is also a honourable character, who consider himself not a murderer, but a weapon in the hands of whomever uses him. Samara is to many, no doubt, a paragon of goodness and justice in the universe, despite her cold attitude. Jack is a violent murderer, but in the end she's just a damaged child.

My entire point was "shades of grey". None of these people are truly evil, just like none of them are truly good. No matter how alien, they are all victims to the human condition - and I'd like a Batarian squadmate that is just the same. I loved the suggestion of Beechwell.

A "good" character that defends slavery.

Im not saying you didnt like them im just saying that personally Mordin is more noble than Tali, as she still complains about loosing her homeworld after trying to wipe out the geth, hardly noble if you try yo attack someone and they hit back, then act like the victim.

Tali, was born and grew up on a ship. She didn't create the Geth and then try to kill them when they became self-aware, she wasn't alive yet. Tali and her people are suffering for an offense that non of them were alive to give. As ME2 has pointed out, there are a considerable amount of Quarian's who recognize the mistake of their Ancestor's. Tali's father was not one of these people. You can say that Tali is no different than her father, but that would be a disservice to complexity of Tali's character. In ME2 Tali is confronted with the fact that everything her father has taught her may be wrong. 

Also, since that was way off topic, I'll add this.

The only good Batarian is dead Batarian.

Modifié par anmiro, 19 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Internet Kraken wrote...
Prior to Mass Effect 2 I thought a Salarian squadmate would be incredibly lame. But Mordin is one of my favorite squadmates. So I say let BioWare make a Batarian squadmate. I'm sure they would do a good job.

Hell, as long as it's better than Zaeed, it can't go bad. It's hard to do any worse, y'know?

[Beechwell]

marshalleck wrote...
Sure, as long as my ruthless colonist Shepard can deal with that character the same way he dealt with Balak's croney who was making excuses about "this was only supposed to be a simple slave grab.."

I'm fine with that. After all you also have to option to hand over Legion to some Cerberus lab, or kill Wrex when he disobeys your command. And I can see the attraction in role playing a Shepard with an irrational hatred for Batarians (although it would be nice to grow such a Shepard into a grudging acceptance of their people as well).

[marshalleck]

I'm not sure that having all of your friends and family murdered by batarian slavers would lead to an irrational hatred. In fact I think a batarian making excuses about slavery would justifiably torque off someone who lived through such an experience.

[Madecologist]

Remember, not everyone is playing that origin story. Actually I have a Colonist/Ruthless Shepard who does not go out and kill Batarians. Why, because from the trauma she got her squad killed. She defeated them at Torfan, she saw the bodies of both her enemies and of her own men.

Doesn't mean because you are colonial/ruthless you are the Batarian Terminator, nor is everyone playing that background origin either.

Edit - Because a sub group of people are playing a certain background a certain way potential content should be axed. I guess all LI should be removed because polls show Tali is the favourite character of 25% of the fanbase. Why care about the others?

This is why he be a great optional recruitable. You want to play your Batarian killing traumatized vengence seeking Shepard you can. But we who have a different type of Shepard can still play ours.

Modifié par Madecologist, 19 février 2010 - 04:19 .

[marshalleck]

Uh, I know? What's your point?

I'm not talking about just any random batarian here. I'm talking about a batarian who is defending and excusing the actions of batarian slavers to someone who lost their entire family and childhood to batarian slavers.

I realize that some people like to play a perfect saint, and I think your Shepard would have to be bordering on Christ-like to not be more than slightly irked in that situation.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[LetoII]

Madecologist wrote...

Remember, not everyone is playing that origin story. Actually I have a Colonist/Ruthless Shepard who does not go out and kill Batarians. Why, because from the trauma she got her squad killed. She defeated them at Torfan, she saw the bodies of both her enemies and of her own men.
Doesn't mean because you are colonial/ruthless you are the Batarian Terminator, not is everyone playing that background origin either.

True. However their should have room for such a way of seeing things. A ruthless Shepard, even if he/she does not hate Batarians, may as well be hated by them.

[Madecologist]

marshalleck wrote...

I realize that some people like to play a perfect saint, and I think your Shepard would have to be bordering on Christ-like to not be more than slightly irked in that situation.

True, but slightly irked does not mean you kill them or turn down potential help. There is different ways to express any sentiment. Heck even outright hate might not mean you will killing them, under the right circumstance even cooperate.

Case and point. Tali and Legion.

Modifié par Madecologist, 19 février 2010 - 04:22 .