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[Varenus Luckmann]

DirtyVagrant wrote...
I thought it was explained in, like, the codex that the only reason we run into Batarian criminals, slavers, and pirates is because they're the only ones who leave their homesystems. The Batarian Hegemony has imposed an isolationist policy so it is hard to say what the "normal" Batarian thinks, but their government does seem to support their pirate/slavers going out to cause continued problems for the humans since they still seem bitter from getting a raw deal from the Council.

They have a fleet that is perhaps just a little smaller the Alliance's with at least one dreadnought, wouldn't hurt to have that a part of a unified fleet against the Reapers. Convincing them, on the other hand, would be hard...

My idea for a recruitment mission would be to board a ship belonging to the Batarian Hegemony, and spring a rebellious soldier of the Hegemony.

What was an official ship doing outside Hegemony home space? That's part of the story and why this soldier rebelled. He can't go back, that's for sure. And he could give unique insights into exactly what is going on on the Batarian homeworld.

[Firmijn]

What was the name again of Aria's batarian "assistant"? Anto?
I would accept him as a squadmate:)

[kraidy1117]

Give me Blasto and I will be happy.

[DirtyVagrant]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...
I thought it was explained in, like, the codex that the only reason we run into Batarian criminals, slavers, and pirates is because they're the only ones who leave their homesystems. The Batarian Hegemony has imposed an isolationist policy so it is hard to say what the "normal" Batarian thinks, but their government does seem to support their pirate/slavers going out to cause continued problems for the humans since they still seem bitter from getting a raw deal from the Council.

They have a fleet that is perhaps just a little smaller the Alliance's with at least one dreadnought, wouldn't hurt to have that a part of a unified fleet against the Reapers. Convincing them, on the other hand, would be hard...

My idea for a recruitment mission would be to board a ship belonging to the Batarian Hegemony, and spring a rebellious soldier of the Hegemony.

What was an official ship doing outside Hegemony home space? That's part of the story and why this soldier rebelled. He can't go back, that's for sure. And he could give unique insights into exactly what is going on on the Batarian homeworld.

Ooo! I like that!

[boardnfool86]

They're the only species I despise... they are horrid selfish creatures who whine and resort to piracy and terrorism. The good ones are unpleasant to talk with and most you end up having to save people from... Terra Nova, Mindoir, the ones that nuke a human colony in ME2, Blue Suns mercs... I can keep going

hate them - I almost let the plague victim die

[Weiser_Cain]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
And everyone who has ever defended slavery throughout history is automaticly a repulsive character? Yeeaaah, right.

We're talking about the game here, let's keep it relevant.

It is relevant. Very relevant, since you imply that a character that defends slavery cannot be likable; that such a character is by default "completely repulsive".

And that's just not true. I'm not saying that slavery is good, it's not. It's a horrible practice. But to people living within a system of slavery, perhaps a state that is completely dependant on slavery to function, it's a completely different deal.

A human (and by extension, a fictional batarian) could be the save-the-kittens & don't eat meat wannabe-pacifist crush-evil paladin archetype and a slaver at the same time, easily. Just like a Salarian could be unapologetically guilty of silent genocide and still be likable, or a drell responsible for hundreds of murders but still spiritually fullfilled and honourable.

This is a bad argument

[JPfanner]

No, because in those mercenary groups you see are a mix of races, including humans. They're just mercenaries. The batarians have never been shown to bring anything positive to the galactic community or demonstrate any ability or willingness to work with other species. Their interactions are all predatory or exploitative and they certainly seem to enjoy that on top of it.



I'm not sure why there can't be more than one kind of "bad guy" in the Mass Effect universe. The Reapers are a physical threat, they want to kill everyone except for the lucky race that gets tossed in the blender. Appeasement isn't an option. The Batarians can not and will not integrate into galactic society, they seem socially incapable of cooperation even to their own detriment. That seems a lot more interesting to me personally than the batarians just being yet another species that just needs some hugs and flowers.

[shaneho78]

Anyone who suggested having a Geth squad-mate before ME2 would have been laughed at. But BW has made Legion into a viable (and likable) squad member, at the same time allowing the concept of Heretics and indoctrination virus to erase any preconceived animosity that we may have towards the Geth as a whole. That said, a Batarian should not be allowed into the Normandy for the sake of inclusiveness. His recruitment must be worked into the story proper. Didn't mind the whole dossier thingy but repeating that in ME3 would be unoriginal to say the least.

[Varenus Luckmann]

JPfanner wrote...
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I'm not sure why there can't be more than one kind of "bad guy" in the Mass Effect universe. The Reapers are a physical threat, they want to kill everyone except for the lucky race that gets tossed in the blender. Appeasement isn't an option. The Batarians can not and will not integrate into galactic society, they seem socially incapable of cooperation even to their own detriment. That seems a lot more interesting to me personally than the batarians just being yet another species that just needs some hugs and flowers.

All of those issues are sociological or civilizational, not personal or individual. I completely agree with your sentiment, I really do - but they're not applicable to a single individual.

And in no way or fashion should a "good" batarian character give the vibe that Batarian society needs a hug, some flowers, and suddently become paragons of virtue. If that's the vibe it'd send, then I hope to god Bioware never gets it into their head to make a character like this.

Batarian society should be oppressive and repulsive, overall. I was thinking of a possible scenario in a loyalty quest for the aformentioned Batarian Spacer. During the course of the loyalty mission, there should be a possibility for Shepard to influence politics in such a way that it has reprecussions in ME3. Specificly, should the council deal with the Batarians once and for all, and "free" the Batarians on the Batarian homeworld, or should they not?

The obvious paragon move is "Of course they should". But in ME3, this will turn out to be the bad dead; Because of the resources spent in the costly war against the Batarians (Operation: Batari Freedom) the council is spread thin, resulting in numerous worlds being lost to the reapers. Should you do the douchebag move of "We cannot have the Citadel and the Council spend resources on the Batarian civilians at this time", this doesn't happen; Instead, we get a strong ally in the Batarian Hegemony, wheter we like them or not - a deal with the devil, if you'd like.

Similar to how I think our actions in Tali's loyalty mission will affect wheter or not the Geth/Quarians will be there to help us when the time comes in ME3 (Or at least, I hope).

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 19 février 2010 - 05:40 .

[JamieCOTC]

I would not have minded it, especially w/ having a colonist background. Would have been interesting.

[Varenus Luckmann]

shaneho78 wrote...
Anyone who suggested having a Geth squad-mate before ME2 would have been laughed at. But BW has made Legion into a viable (and likable) squad member, at the same time allowing the concept of Heretics and indoctrination virus to erase any preconceived animosity that we may have towards the Geth as a whole. That said, a Batarian should not be allowed into the Normandy for the sake of inclusiveness. His recruitment must be worked into the story proper. Didn't mind the whole dossier thingy but repeating that in ME3 would be unoriginal to say the least.

I think it would be a horrible move to include a Batarian "just because" or have that batarian magically dispel the "preconception" that the Batarian Hegemony is a horrible state.

Pulling another "Legion" would be horribly predictable. The Hegemony and the Batarians are "evil" "bad guys" and they should stay that way. But I'd love to get a different perspective too. What goes on in the oppressive police state that is the Batarian Hegemony? Is there a resistance? Are children indoctrinated to hate humans? Is their entire society really built around slaves?

Stuff like that. Make the batarians no less horrible, but a hundred times more human.

[notphrog]

Pauravi wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
I'd rather have an Elcor, Volus, Hanar and Varren as squadmates

Haha I was kinda hoping that the varren on Tuchanka would follow me back on the ship XD
Gooooood varren! *pet*

Me too. Was saddened that he didn't. Varren running around scaring crew members (or not) would be a better pet than fish.

[Beechwell]

Weiser_Cain wrote...
This is a bad argument

I would really help if you could explain why it is a bad argument. 'Cause I don't see it.

I suppose a non-slavery Batarian might work as well, but it would feel a little cheap. He would only reinforce our conviction that the slave-holding Batarian race as a whole is evil, even though some have seen the light and follow the human code of honor.
I find a "true" Batarian who is shaped by his cultural background, even if that background has some revolting habits, much more interesting. But then I generally prefer role playing settings that don't just reinforce my own sterotypes, but rather challenge my convictions.

Peace:)
And long live the Patriarch of Al'Anfa:wizard:

[VanTesla]

Hope the Reapers blow the Batarian homeworld up when they invade.

They destroy our colonies and glass the planets so nothing can benefit from it.......

Slavers, huge racist, worst than Krogan in war so said by Zaeed who is a expert in that field, wanted to kill every one on the citadel with a made virus, most of the population supports the terrorism, and they killed Shepards family in my background!

Modifié par VanTesla, 19 février 2010 - 05:59 .

[UpLiftingVanguard]

Batarian's hate us humans anyway.

[Varenus Luckmann]

UpLiftingVanguard wrote...
Batarian's hate us humans anyway.

Oh by the gods, I see you posting all the time, and every time I see your signature with "Death before dishonour" I can't help thinking "Skinhead attack!" every single time.

That has no relevance to this thread, but I'm hoping that the song goes out of my head by confessing to this out loud.

[Skilled Seeker]

Bump. Keep the racist preconceptions flowing guys. I can't believe you actually think that all Batarians are evil like its something genetic.

[Gaudion]

Batarians and Vorcha will always be villains. You can tell because they're hideously ugly.



The rest of the sentient races are either suited or have the capacity to be physically attractive. What's that, you say? Elcor? Eeyore. Bam. Now any girl who's ever seen Winnie the Poo thinks they're adorable.

[flem1]

Gaudion wrote...

Batarians and Vorcha will always be villains. You can tell because they're hideously ugly.

The rest of the sentient races are either suited or have the capacity to be physically attractive. What's that, you say? Elcor? Eeyore. Bam. Now any girl who's ever seen Winnie the Poo thinks they're adorable.

Hanar?  Only to the Japanese.

[marshalleck]

flem1 wrote...

Hanar?  Only to the Japanese.

But they come in pink or violet. Overruled.

[Weiser_Cain]

Beechwell wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...
This is a bad argument

I would really help if you could explain why it is a bad argument. 'Cause I don't see it.

I suppose a non-slavery Batarian might work as well, but it would feel a little cheap. He would only reinforce our conviction that the slave-holding Batarian race as a whole is evil, even though some have seen the light and follow the human code of honor.
I find a "true" Batarian who is shaped by his cultural background, even if that background has some revolting habits, much more interesting. But then I generally prefer role playing settings that don't just reinforce my own sterotypes, but rather challenge my convictions.

Peace:)
And long live the Patriarch of Al'Anfa:wizard:

I can't without getting banned.

[Ecael]

Only if the Batarian squadmate preaches or sings.

After all, how many people thought that a ugly Salarian would become a squadmate in ME2 before it was announced?

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I am the very model of a mad prophet Batarian

I've slandered species krogan, vorcha and salarian

I'm not fond of humans (a blight on galactic purity)

Because they are a race that has not yet seen maturity

My xenophobic notions say that humans are barbarian

I AM THE VERY MODEL OF A MAD PROPHET BATARIAN

Modifié par Ecael, 20 février 2010 - 03:29 .

[yam123]

Yes batarian squadmate would be cool, they have awsome voices. Zaeed should have been a batarian bounty hunter.

Modifié par yam123, 20 février 2010 - 03:35 .

[silentstephi]

I think Zaeed would have been much more interesting if he had been a Batarian as well, but then, they'd probably would have had to re write his entire backstory.



Anywhoodle, the batarians have a chance to not be the big bad evil race that you initially come across them as. Their culture (what little bits you get from the Drew books anyway) seems interesting enough. Though I don't think I've seen anything in game or out of game resembling a saving grace. There are plenty of council races though that are quick to dismiss or not like them.



Take for instance, on Mordin's recruitment, when you save his assistant from the batarians, and if you let them go, they 1) comment on how they weren't expecting you to act honorable, and leave and 2) Mordin even says he would have killed them anyway.



Now, it could have just been a showcase of Mordin's personality too, but on the whole batarians do seem to get the short end of the stick a lot of the times.



Then again, the bartender at Afterlife doesn't exactly do anything to redeem his race.



Ah well. Would be interesting! (COME OUT WITH THE RPG BOOK ALREADY GUYS PLZ!)

[troyk890]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...
I thought it was explained in, like, the codex that the only reason we run into Batarian criminals, slavers, and pirates is because they're the only ones who leave their homesystems. The Batarian Hegemony has imposed an isolationist policy so it is hard to say what the "normal" Batarian thinks, but their government does seem to support their pirate/slavers going out to cause continued problems for the humans since they still seem bitter from getting a raw deal from the Council.

They have a fleet that is perhaps just a little smaller the Alliance's with at least one dreadnought, wouldn't hurt to have that a part of a unified fleet against the Reapers. Convincing them, on the other hand, would be hard...

My idea for a recruitment mission would be to board a ship belonging to the Batarian Hegemony, and spring a rebellious soldier of the Hegemony.

What was an official ship doing outside Hegemony home space? That's part of the story and why this soldier rebelled. He can't go back, that's for sure. And he could give unique insights into exactly what is going on on the Batarian homeworld.

One of the few good ideas on this forum. I approve.