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[ImperialOperative]

trickfred wrote...

Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet... Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet... Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet...

What the hell gave you the idea that there would even be an announcement for the Hammerhead today?

Or is that what you do every day with your spare time?

[Gemini1179]

Ivan Mulkeen wrote...

DigitalLiquid I wrote...

Let's face it. ALL of Biowares' DLC for ME1, ME2 & DA:O has been awful. Not one piece of dlc lasting more than an hour, no real rewards[/b], poor value for money. Their free content for ME2 so far has been pointless too (it's free great) although it was still terrible. DA:O Awakening looks too be offering some great content, lets hope ME2 gets the same treatment.

(Emphasis mine) - Sorry mate, but those 3 words alone make me question as to whether we played the same DLC for ME1 or DA:O. [b]Bringing Down the Sky had some fantastic loot, and both Shale and Zaeed are great party members. What problems did you have with them?

What loot could you get in BDTS that you couldn't in the regular game? Wow, you get a straight shot at Colossus armor instead of having to buy it...

I do however agree with the rest of your statement. I've enjoyed all the DLC for ME1,2 and DAO so far, but I'm pretty easy to please.

[trickfred]

ImperialOperative wrote...

trickfred wrote...

Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet... Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet... Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet...

What the hell gave you the idea that there would even be an announcement for the Hammerhead today?

Or is that what you do every day with your spare time?

Yes, every day for the past 12 years, 7 months, 5 weeks and 17 days.

I have Hammerhead tattooed on my forehead, and I sleep in a bucket of chum.

If I were a superhero, my power would be to attract grumpy nerds from the four corners of the earth with my horrible jokes, and apparently incite them to rage.

ImperialOperative wrote...

My kitty kat told me that there would be DLC today, he played it already.

So, you can crack jokes about DLC release date announcements, but I apparently need your permission?

Modifié par trickfred, 24 février 2010 - 08:51 .

[ammit23]

Sauronych wrote...

I love how developers post in threads like this one without actually giving any new information. It looks like some form of torture.

Notice how without saying anything of content, they derailed the thread topic for a least a while there.... and I call them on it: avoidance tactic!!!



I also restate my dislike of their new business tactic, call it "Project Ten Dollar" or whatever. They do a sales pitch, I buy the game and proceed to play it, but what I get is only partially complete.Some point down the road there's new content, but not an add-on, just a little DLC. I'm supposed to pretend the game was worth the money i paid in the meantime? Some marginal or even minimal info on DLC timeline (other than "it'll be out when it's out") isn't too much to ask if BW is making the choice to go down this path.



And if people don't express dislike of their new business model, they'll just keep it up for years and years to come. I can see it now.... for ME3 you get a partially compiled game where you can see but can't play and wait months for each individual dialogue possibility to be released.

[Jagrevi]

ImperialOperative wrote...

trickfred wrote...

Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet... Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet... Reload Twitter... nope, no Hammerhead yet. Refresh forums... nope, no new announcement thread yet...

What the hell gave you the idea that there would even be an announcement for the Hammerhead today?

Or is that what you do every day with your spare time?

I don't mean this in an overly judgemental way, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's what alot of people on these forums do.

[Harcken]

All of Bioware's DLC so far (hopefully soon to be excluding Awakenings) feels like it was made by interns, or in less than a day.

[bjdbwea]

Shale was already being worked on during development of DA. But there were problems, so it was left out and perfected later. The same is apparently true for Zaeed, only that he was left more unfinished, with his one-sided dialogue and all. Those two don't count as actual DLCs.

BdtS was a very good mission, though still somewhat short. The loot though? Nothing special, just the usual overpowered stuff - not even a new texture on that armor. Fantastic? Hardly.

Every other BioWare DLC so far is not worth mentioning. Nothing wrong with making a few quick extra bucks I guess, but don't pretend it's high quality stuff. Maybe with ME 2 you can prove that this is possible too. Maybe you'll even convince me to buy some DLC one day.

And while the lack of communication from BioWare is nothing new, it is not appreciated. Just to let you know. This was different once.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 février 2010 - 02:08 .

[CMD-Shep]

Ivan Mulkeen wrote...

DigitalLiquid I wrote...
Let's face it. ALL of Biowares' DLC for ME1, ME2 & DA:O has been awful. Not one piece of dlc lasting more than an hour, no real rewards, poor value for money. Their free content for ME2 so far has been pointless too (it's free great) although it was still terrible. DA:O Awakening looks too be offering some great content, lets hope ME2 gets the same treatment.

(Emphasis mine) - Sorry mate, but those 3 words alone make me question as to whether we played the same DLC for ME1 or DA:O. Bringing Down the Sky had some fantastic loot, and both Shale and Zaeed are great party members. What problems did you have with them?

I get the feeling that some folks are looking for something equivalent to a whole new game. I think some expectations are just too lofty as far as length of a DLC are concerened. Let's be realistic here, DLC is single player episodic content and normally lasts 1-2 hours or it's some crappy MP map pack.  As for rewards, you get loot but you also get some more gametime with your favorite game and to me, that's what DLC is about. Prolonging the game experience. Sure Pinnacle Station was not what we were hoping for but I still played the hell out of it and was glad to be able to re-enter the ME universe again. Was it worth the 800 MS points (I thinks it was 800)? Probably not, but I would glady pay it to keep the ME experience alive while I wait for ME3.

[Jagrevi]

Well, we got ... not info, but Bioware has commented directly at least. Which is a heck of a lot better than nothing.



(re: The main complaining thread)

[Michael Gamble]

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

Modifié par Michael Gamble, 25 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[ammit23]

Fair 'nough.  Other topic being referred to is here.

[Commander Darmok]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

ZOMG!  MG confirms hh dlc drops tomorrow!    (Too soon to misquote things out of context?)

[newcomplex]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

Go easy on Javier, hes a good kid.    

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

Please use another word other than 'soon'.

'Shortly', 'in the near future' or something similar would at least add a little more variety! I must say that i am in the unique position of not even having played the game yet. I had the collectors edition on pre order, but i have been waiting on some computer upgrades and for my room to be decorated before i start, since presently the state it is on and the issues i am getting with this computer would otherwise detract from the experience. Thusly i still have a little while to wait before i actually start the game, and although this allows me to be a bit mre patient than the people who for obvious reasons crave to play this new DLC right now, i would still prefer it to arrive before i start the game.

In response to what others have said about whether BioWare owes us anything, well, if you think about it, they owe us their existance.

Bioware is a company, and a company needs customers. We are those customers and thus our custom keeps Bioware from going broke and ceasing to exist. Thats the way business works.

Our purchases pay their wages. And while Bioware is my favorite games company and probably the best in the world in terms of quality (i think) it is always important to be aware that customers have a great deal of influence.

Take the example of SOE and Star Wars Galaxies. The 'New Game Enhancements' that happened in '05 were widely panned in articles on various gaming websites, caused the players to turn into zombies in seach of SOE employee flesh and pretty much trashed the subscription rates for the game.

Several years on, from what i have seen, those events effected a change in the dev team and the attitude of SOE towards players. Some people very probably lost their jobs over it and several years on SWG is now finally getting the kind of frequent updates and new content that players had always called for.

So in short, yes Bioware does owe us something; their jobs... and maybe their firstborn in sacrifice should we desire it.

[newcomplex]

JKA_Nozyspy wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

Please use another word other than 'soon'.

'Shortly', 'in the near future' or something similar would at least add a little more variety! I must say that i am in the unique position of not even having played the game yet. I had the collectors edition on pre order, but i have been waiting on some computer upgrades and for my room to be decorated before i start, since presently the state it is on and the issues i am getting with this computer would otherwise detract from the experience. Thusly i still have a little while to wait before i actually start the game, and although this allows me to be a bit mre patient than the people who for obvious reasons crave to play this new DLC right now, i would still prefer it to arrive before i start the game.

In response to what others have said about whether BioWare owes us anything, well, if you think about it, they owe us their existance.

Bioware is a company, and a company needs customers. We are those customers and thus our custom keeps Bioware from going broke and ceasing to exist. Thats the way business works.

Our purchases pay their wages. And while Bioware is my favorite games company and probably the best in the world in terms of quality (i think) it is always important to be aware that customers have a great deal of influence.

Take the example of SOE and Star Wars Galaxies. The 'New Game Enhancements' that happened in '05 were widely panned in articles on various gaming websites, caused the players to turn into zombies in seach of SOE employee flesh and pretty much trashed the subscription rates for the game.

Several years on, from what i have seen, those events effected a change in the dev team and the attitude of SOE towards players. Some people very probably lost their jobs over it and several years on SWG is now finally getting the kind of frequent updates and new content that players had always called for.

So in short, yes Bioware does owe us something; their jobs... and maybe their firstborn in sacrifice should we desire it.

You act as if you have sole control over whether or not people buy bioware products.   The fact is, you have none.    Bioware has customers solely because of their own doing.   People buy good games, and nothing you personally can do will convince them otherwise.    Us buying bioware games was not a gift.   It is a inevitable result of making a product worth buying.   

If we had bought their games anyway even if they sucked so they would give us free stuff later, then yes, they would morally owe us stuff.    But the fact is, they made a good game, and consumers buy it.    You have no power over what consumers buy, so they owe you nothing.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 25 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[Jagrevi]

JKA_Nozyspy wrote...
Please use another word other than 'soon'.

While I agree I would have much rather heard the terms "very soon" ... I don't really think this is the time to push our luck. I'm pretty happy for now, and just hoping it comes before the end of the month.

[kaff33nd]

Michael Gamble wrote...

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

This is exactly what I was hoping from BioWare. This is information we have no entitlement to that they want us to know, and by omission, what they aren't prepared to reveal.  This is acceptable to me in meeting this thread's request for info.  It is a communique designed to appease our need for any information, and at the same time leave us salivating in anticipation by use of the words "soon" and "stuff".  Thanks Michael!

[kaff33nd]

To newcomplex and JKA_Nozyspy,

I prefer to think of the relationship between BioWare/EA and The Gamers (us) as symbiotic. The Gamers rely on BioWare to provide us with what we need to exist (if we aren't playing games, we cease to exist as gamers), and in return, we offer BioWare what they need in order to exist. What I'm puzzled about is which one of us is the parasite, and which is the host?

[JKA_Nozyspy]

newcomplex wrote...

JKA_Nozyspy wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

Please use another word other than 'soon'.

'Shortly', 'in the near future' or something similar would at least add a little more variety! I must say that i am in the unique position of not even having played the game yet. I had the collectors edition on pre order, but i have been waiting on some computer upgrades and for my room to be decorated before i start, since presently the state it is on and the issues i am getting with this computer would otherwise detract from the experience. Thusly i still have a little while to wait before i actually start the game, and although this allows me to be a bit mre patient than the people who for obvious reasons crave to play this new DLC right now, i would still prefer it to arrive before i start the game.

In response to what others have said about whether BioWare owes us anything, well, if you think about it, they owe us their existance.

Bioware is a company, and a company needs customers. We are those customers and thus our custom keeps Bioware from going broke and ceasing to exist. Thats the way business works.

Our purchases pay their wages. And while Bioware is my favorite games company and probably the best in the world in terms of quality (i think) it is always important to be aware that customers have a great deal of influence.

Take the example of SOE and Star Wars Galaxies. The 'New Game Enhancements' that happened in '05 were widely panned in articles on various gaming websites, caused the players to turn into zombies in seach of SOE employee flesh and pretty much trashed the subscription rates for the game.

Several years on, from what i have seen, those events effected a change in the dev team and the attitude of SOE towards players. Some people very probably lost their jobs over it and several years on SWG is now finally getting the kind of frequent updates and new content that players had always called for.

So in short, yes Bioware does owe us something; their jobs... and maybe their firstborn in sacrifice should we desire it.

You act as if you have sole control over whether or not people buy bioware products.   The fact is, you have none.    Bioware has customers solely because of their own doing.   People buy good games, and nothing you personally can do will convince them otherwise.    Us buying bioware games was not a gift.   It is a inevitable result of making a product worth buying.   

If we had bought their games anyway even if they sucked so they would give us free stuff later, then yes, they would morally owe us stuff.    But the fact is, they made a good game, and consumers buy it.    You have no power over what consumers buy, so they owe you nothing.   

Whilst Bioware makes fantastic games, the quality is irrelevant to my argument. My point is that if people decided not to buy games based on the actions and comments of the developers (whether or not those games were excellent) then that developer could quite possibly go out of business. Despite the reassurances of 'soon' not being anough for alot of people (although i am quite happy to wait myself) they all still stick around here, even though they might not be happy with the information Bioware is releasing. In that sense, they owe us their jobs, because our continued loyalty to their games and company compel us to stay and to play and buy their games even if we are not always happy with the way they handle things. The danger is (with all game developers) that they push the patience of the players, their customers, that little bit too far and people end up loosing confidence in the company and thus choose not to continue providing them with their custom.

As per the example i cited above, with Star Wars Galaxies, some people were so enraged with SOE and Sony as a whole that they went so far as to exorcise their house of Sony TVs, sound systems PS2/3's and other items. No matter how rediculous and extreme that is the point is that if people get to the point of loosing faith and trust completely in a company, that is bad for business and therefore the main perogative of any company is to keep their customers happy above anything else. As the old saying goes; "the customer is always right".

kaff33nd wrote...

To newcomplex and JKA_Nozyspy,
I prefer to think of the relationship between BioWare/EA and The Gamers (us) as symbiotic. The Gamers rely on BioWare to provide us with what we need to exist (if we aren't playing games, we cease to exist as gamers), and in return, we offer BioWare what they need in order to exist. What I'm puzzled about is which one of us is the parasite, and which is the host?

A very astute observation mate, they need us, but we need them, at least for our regular gaming fix.

[kaff33nd]

I try to be as astute as possible, when I'm not otherwise being ignorant.
I'd like to throw into this discussion the issue of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwill_(accounting)]goodwill[/url in business. Certainly a portion of BioWare's market value is based on our continued custom and support. If (hypothetically) every BioWare customer were to cease our support of their products, what would happen to the price of BioWare shares? Just a thought.

EDIT: URL isn't linked properly.  Here it is for copy-paste:
http://en.wikipedia....ill_(accounting)

Modifié par kaff33nd, 25 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[hex23]

kaff33nd wrote...

 If (hypothetically) every BioWare customer were to cease our support of their products, what would happen to the price of BioWare shares? Just a thought.

That would never happen so honestly it's pointless to mention.

[kaff33nd]

hex23 wrote...

kaff33nd wrote...

 If (hypothetically) every BioWare customer were to cease our support of their products, what would happen to the price of BioWare shares? Just a thought.

That would never happen so honestly it's pointless to mention.

I disagree.  Insurance companies usually have an 'acts of God' clause because, although it may be highly unlikely, it is possible that an act of God may occur.  The chances would be infinitesimal but there nonetheless. My hypothetical was meant to portray a model, something against which to measure a financial worst-case scenario.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i commented in another thread. Unless you hear it from me (or an official PR channel) - don't expect it.

We're hoping to make formal announcements soon about...stuff.

Edit: no, that does not mean PM me for more information.

You seriously have to do better than that. If I order a car and the accessoiries with it then I want to know when they arrive and I just don't sit there and pray that BMW will be kind enough to provide them before I buy my next car. You guys have a serious attitude towards me as a customer. That attitude feels like I have to be happy with the bones you throw to me. Does it occur to you that I have paid money for it (it is included in the deal, you have advertized them and you also consider them part of EA's "Project Ten Dollar").

Edit: Changed "we" to first person.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 25 février 2010 - 06:12 .

[kaff33nd]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You seriously have to do better than that. If I order a car and the accessoiries with it then I want to know when they arrive and I just don't sit there and pray that BMW will be kind enough to provide them before I buy my next car. You guys have a serious attitude towards your customers. That attitude feels like we have to be happy with the bones you throw to us. Does it occur to you that we have paid money for it (it is included in the deal, you have advertized them and you also consider them part of EA's "Project Ten Dollar").

To whom are you referring when you say "us"? I sincerely hope you don't presume to be the voice of all BioWare customers (or even the unhappy ones).  I would like to be excluded from the "us" you're talking about.  I can speak for myself, thank you.