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[jamskinner]

scyphozoa wrote...

Here is my thing, it has not been an unreasonable amount of time. So much time hasn't passed that asking Devs about info is warranted. By the industry standard of how all video game DLC has been done in the past, Bioware has not made any mistakes on ME2 dlc. They are not 6 months behind schedule or inactive or failing to give us info.

Two weeks ago was the cited twitter post, are you saying that two weeks after an announcement, and a total of 4 weeks after a game launch, it is too long for Bioware to have waited to make another announcement?

I am not trying to argue or be hostile, truth be told I only return to this thread for principle, but stop saying that you are being denied a service you paid for. You get daily Cerberus news, its not worth anything, but it is updated daily. You got an announcement 2 weeks ago, and in all comparative video game industry standards, 2 weeks is damn relevant and recent. Most announcements go months in between. Cerberus network probably won't, but 2 weeks is not long enough to start claiming your service is being denied.

just IMO

Was a year and a half too long to wait?  Serious, I want your opinion.  Many of us waited that long, and Bioware did not give an update on it. other then it was coming.  How long is too long?
I just though Bioware learned their lesson of over promising  and under delivering.  Again, people here are not saying, hey give me MY DLC.  They are saying,  you said in a couple weeks DLC would come out.  A couple weeks have gone by and it hasn't come out.  Whats the current statis of the DLC?

P.S.  It has been 17 days since the twitter announcement.

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[jamskinner]

scyphozoa wrote...

What has Bioware done differently since Pinnacle Station? I could really make a bullet list but I am too lazy, they have created the Cerberus Network and stated that all DLC will be in-house dev teams, not done by outside studios like PS was.

I agree, Pinnacle Station gave customers and gamers plenty of reason to complain. But a twitter message from 2 weeks ago hasn't. If you're that afraid of bioware then don't be a customer.

What do you mean by afraid?  I am not afraid, I am untrusting of them based on their previous track record on DLC which is atrocius.  When their is a problem they clam up tighter then an aligators jaws.  They think by not saying anything the problem will just go away.
I will say this if they do continue doing this I won't be a customer.
Also why is the twitter message not something to complain about?  Has it been over a couple of weeks? Yes.  Has the DLC been released? No.  Has Bioware said why? No.  Have they said it is coming "soon" etc? No.

[Kolos2]

its an official statement, does it matter on what media it appeared?

And yes we share our disappointment for that kind of crap attitude towards the end costumers. You know as an opinion that some might not take the whole situation as granted
And to avoid another Pinnacle Station

Modifié par Kolos2, 20 février 2010 - 09:22 .

[jamskinner]

scyphozoa wrote...

i'm done defending common sense, you guys are beyond redemption.

And you feel you are better/smarter then us.  Why the condscending attitude?  I sure would like to see your common sense credentials.  I seems like in everyone of these threads some guy comes on and thinks his opinion trumps facts.
Look, we are all entitled to our own opinion.  You to yours and me to mine.
As far as the facts go though Bioware said that in a couple weeks said DLC would be released and it hasn't  been.  Nor has any information been put out since the announcement. 

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 09:30 .

[addiction21]

Kolos2 wrote...

its an official statement, does it matter on what media it appeared?

And yes we share our disappointment for that kind of crap attitude towards the end costumers. You know as an opinion that some might not take the whole situation as granted
And to avoid another Pinnacle Station

Well you come back to me in 5 more months when we have heard nothing and seen nothing in that time and we will start comparing this to Pinnacle station okay.

This is no different then with DAO and people getting up set in the first week or two that there was no other dlcs out in that time.

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

Kolos2 wrote...

its an official statement, does it matter on what media it appeared?

And yes we share our disappointment for that kind of crap attitude towards the end costumers. You know as an opinion that some might not take the whole situation as granted
And to avoid another Pinnacle Station

Well you come back to me in 5 more months when we have heard nothing and seen nothing in that time and we will start comparing this to Pinnacle station okay.

This is no different then with DAO and people getting up set in the first week or two that there was no other dlcs out in that time.

I am not upset about there not being any DLC released.  It is the fact that Bioware continues to have a hard time of doing what they say there are going to do.

[Kolos2]

addiction21 wrote...

.This is no different then with DAO and people getting up set in the first week or two that there was no other dlcs out in that time.

DA.O ? since the whole Return to Ostagar DLC was so well done? yeah, you kinda made my point

[Jagrevi]

I don't think this will turn into another Pinnacle Station fiasco - and I also hope it won't, of course.



Personally, I'm still expecting it next week. If not By Tuesday, at least sometime next week.



I'll see if I end up disappointed, but I trust the mod who made the post enough to take his word for it for now.

[addiction21]

jamskinner wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Well you come back to me in 5 more months when we have heard nothing and seen nothing in that time and we will start comparing this to Pinnacle station okay.

This is no different then with DAO and people getting up set in the first week or two that there was no other dlcs out in that time.

I am not upset about there not being any DLC released.  It is the fact that Bioware continues to have a hard time of doing what they say there are going to do.

What is it they said they were going to do? "A couple weeks" does not mean 14 days down to the minute. I said it earlier. Couple is more then one but not equal to two.

@ Kolos I did not make your point for you. You took my statement out of context (most likely on purpose) added something to it I never mentioned (RTO) and then said "I am right". Thats not making your point for you.

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Well you come back to me in 5 more months when we have heard nothing and seen nothing in that time and we will start comparing this to Pinnacle station okay.

This is no different then with DAO and people getting up set in the first week or two that there was no other dlcs out in that time.

I am not upset about there not being any DLC released.  It is the fact that Bioware continues to have a hard time of doing what they say there are going to do.

What is it they said they were going to do? "A couple weeks" does not mean 14 days down to the minute. I said it earlier. Couple is more then one but not equal to two.

@ Kolos I did not make your point for you. You took my statement out of context (most likely on purpose) added something to it I never mentioned (RTO) and then said "I am right". Thats not making your point for you.

If it does not mean 14 days what does it mean? Please clarify it for me so I will know when it is coming out.   Also it has been 17 days, not 14 and minutes.
Also you might want to check your dictionary for what couple means.  It always means 2, no more no less.  I will use it in a sentence for you.  "Look at that couple over there getting married."

http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/couple

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 10:37 .

[Drakron]

Maybe its 2 weeks in Valve Time ...

http://developer.val...wiki/Valve_Time

[addiction21]

jamskinner wrote...

If it does not mean 14 days what does it mean? Please clarify it for me so I will know when it is coming out.   Also it has been 17 days, not 14 and minutes.
Also you might want to check your dictionary for what couple means.  It always means 2, no more no less.  I will use it in a sentence for you.  "Look at that couple over ther getting married."

You should not willfully ignore the total and complete defination. Couple can also mean a small number.
—Idiom
14.
a couple of, more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there.
And that is mirrored in my copy of Websters Dictionary.
Which is how it was used in BW's statement the op linked.
You are trying to argue semantics and failing.

So unless some of you are mind readers and now exactly what that person that made that comment on the twitter ment you should stop trying to argue for him/her.
I am done here because its another case of "I am right and anyone who disagrees is wrong" syndrome. Have a nice day putting words in peoples mouths that they never actually said.

PS: Its funny they say a couple instead of stating two weeks but I guess they ment two weeks since you can read their minds at BW.

Modifié par addiction21, 20 février 2010 - 10:48 .

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

If it does not mean 14 days what does it mean? Please clarify it for me so I will know when it is coming out.   Also it has been 17 days, not 14 and minutes.
Also you might want to check your dictionary for what couple means.  It always means 2, no more no less.  I will use it in a sentence for you.  "Look at that couple over ther getting married."

You should not willfully ignore the total and complete defination. Couple can also mean a small number.
—Idiom
14.
a couple of, more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there.
And that is mirrored in my copy of Websters Dictionary.
Which is how it was used in BW's statement the op linked.
You are trying to argue semantics and failing.

You should also not ignore my question?  I will concede my point if you will give me an answer.
Also how do you know what Biowares meaning of the word couple is?  You remind me of Bill Clinton.

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 10:47 .

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

If it does not mean 14 days what does it mean? Please clarify it for me so I will know when it is coming out.   Also it has been 17 days, not 14 and minutes.
Also you might want to check your dictionary for what couple means.  It always means 2, no more no less.  I will use it in a sentence for you.  "Look at that couple over ther getting married."

You should not willfully ignore the total and complete defination. Couple can also mean a small number.
—Idiom
14.
a couple of, more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there.
And that is mirrored in my copy of Websters Dictionary.
Which is how it was used in BW's statement the op linked.
You are trying to argue semantics and failing.

So unless some of you are mind readers and now exactly what that person that made that comment on the twitter ment you should stop trying to argue for him/her.
I am done here because its another case of "I am right and anyone who disagrees is wrong" syndrome. Have a nice day putting words in peoples mouths that they never actually said.

PS: Its funny they say a couple instead of stating two weeks but I guess they ment two weeks since you can read their minds at BW.

Yah , but it sure amazes me how you can read their mind.  And like I said I will concede your point even though you know as well as I that couple does mean 2.  Any other use is slang.  As you noticed in the link, not all dictionaries agreed and the section that talked about the word mentioned the fact that it is considered by some(not them) to be a mistake to use the word couple in a way other then to mean two.

And let me guess(since you are doing it I might as wel try my hand at it), you were not around last time when Bioware promised a DLC, and took a year and a half to deliver it. 

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[addiction21]

jamskinner wrote...

You should also not ignore my question?  I will concede my point if you will give me an answer.
Also how do you know what Biowares meaning of the word couple is?  You remind me of Bill Clinton.

I do not know exactly what BW ment but I do know that if someone ment two and only two they say two not "a couple".

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

You should also not ignore my question?  I will concede my point if you will give me an answer.
Also how do you know what Biowares meaning of the word couple is?  You remind me of Bill Clinton.

I do not know exactly what BW ment but I do know that if someone ment two and only two they say two not "a couple".

And how do you know that?  When I say couple I mean couple.  You have an elitist mentatlity.  In other words, your opinion trumps fact.  Like I said I am willing to concede yet you continue not to answer a simple question.  If not 2 weeks then when?  
If I were giving info on the release of a product out to millions of  customers, I would definitly do it in a deterministic way.


I guess you really are a chicken.

Hey I got another one.  A pair.  It doesn't mean two either because you can have a pair of pants and that is only one.   Gosh, the things you can learn on the internets.

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[kaff33nd]

This is less about the current thread's topic and more about the response to sentiment in this thread.

I keep seeing the same posters saying things like "be patient" and "stop whining about there being no DLC yet", and it amazes me that people can be so ignorant of certain in-your-face facts. Namely, that the OP never started this thread asking for the DLCs now but rather asked for BioWare to give some info on the current state of development for these DLCs. I even wrote that earlier but people just don't seem to see what's right in front of them. This is a thread fishing for information and not for release of content. Sure, many of us excercise little apparent "patience" here, and we may look like 'cry-babies', but that, as well as not liking the current DLCs is our prerogative.

javierabegazo said "The level of self entitlement I'm seeing here is staggering. It's still not even 3 weeks since ME2 launched, "relatively soon" for me falls within 1-2 months. Sheesh, you kids". I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm 37 years old, I think I've moved on from being a kid by now. And in what way does impatience correlate with immaturity? Also, a few posters have mentioned that being impatient and asking for info is not going to help to get that info from BioWare. But I say that it may not, but it's bloody good therapy to type out a quick post, and nobody gets hurt.

So please, everyone, if you support this thread, bump it with some intelligent agreement. And if you don't support it then wtf are you here for?

[jamskinner]

kaff33nd wrote...

This is less about the current thread's topic and more about the response to sentiment in this thread.
I keep seeing the same posters saying things like "be patient" and "stop whining about there being no DLC yet", and it amazes me that people can be so ignorant of certain in-your-face facts. Namely, that the OP never started this thread asking for the DLCs now but rather asked for BioWare to give some info on the current state of development for these DLCs. I even wrote that earlier but people just don't seem to see what's right in front of them. This is a thread fishing for information and not for release of content. Sure, many of us excercise little apparent "patience" here, and we may look like 'cry-babies', but that, as well as not liking the current DLCs is our prerogative.
javierabegazo said "The level of self entitlement I'm seeing here is staggering. It's still not even 3 weeks since ME2 launched, "relatively soon" for me falls within 1-2 months. Sheesh, you kids". I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm 37 years old, I think I've moved on from being a kid by now. And in what way does impatience correlate with immaturity? Also, a few posters have mentioned that being impatient and asking for info is not going to help to get that info from BioWare. But I say that it may not, but it's bloody good therapy to type out a quick post, and nobody gets hurt.
So please, everyone, if you support this thread, bump it with some intelligent agreement. And if you don't support it then wtf are you here for?

Exactly.

[addiction21]

jamskinner wrote...

And how do you know that?  When I say couple I mean couple.  You have an elitist mentatlity.  In other words, your opinion trumps fact.  Like I said I am willing to concede yet you continue not to answer a simple question.  If not 2 weeks then when?  
If I were giving info on the release of a product out to millions of  customers, I would definitly do it in a deterministic way.

How do I know that? They said "a couple of" its been two weeks and no info or dlc so it must be more then two. Good enough? Of course not because your pulling the same elitist mentalitity your accusing me of. That a couple can and only means two but if BW ment only two weeks and two weeks only then why not say two weeks?

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

And how do you know that?  When I say couple I mean couple.  You have an elitist mentatlity.  In other words, your opinion trumps fact.  Like I said I am willing to concede yet you continue not to answer a simple question.  If not 2 weeks then when?  
If I were giving info on the release of a product out to millions of  customers, I would definitly do it in a deterministic way.

How do I know that? They said "a couple of" its been two weeks and no info or dlc so it must be more then two. Good enough? Of course not because your pulling the same elitist mentalitity your accusing me of. That a couple can and only means two but if BW ment only two weeks and two weeks only then why not say two weeks?

I told you I was willing to concede, how is that elitist?  By your reasoning then soon must mean 1 1/2 years because thats what Bioware said for pinnacle station.  You on the onther hand use(what you accused me of) semantics to prove an unprovable point. 
Tell me this.  Look through all of Biowares twitter post.  Show me one that gives an unspecific date or time besides the one we are talking about.  Why would they be specific in all posts but one?

Wait, there is one I say that said later this morning.  Dang, I thought I had you. Curses.

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 11:22 .

[kaff33nd]

You two should start a group.

[jamskinner]

In all seriousness, Bioware has shown time and again to be ****** poor in the PR department. How much effort would it take to clarify a simple issue like this? Probably about a minute. Maybe two if the internet is a bit slow(or they only have a 56k modem).

In slang use yes a couple can mean something other then two, but when used in a professional manner wouldn't you want to be specific? Why use couple? Why not use the word several which does mean two or more?

All we desire is a little info. Not DLC, not even a specific date. Even hey, it is not coming out yet. They haven't even given us there customary soon post.