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[jamskinner]

kaff33nd wrote...

You two should start a group.

The arguers are us code group?

while(1)
{
if( couple >= 2)
    chickenScore++;
else
    jamskinnerScore++;

cout << "Chicken " << chickenScore << endl;
cout << "Jamskinner " << jamskinnerScore << endl;

fightSomeMore();
}

void fightSomeMore()
{
.......
}

Modifié par jamskinner, 20 février 2010 - 11:40 .

[kaff33nd]

Personally, I'm curious to hear what the Hammerhead will be used for. That's all I really want to know. Oh, and some new concept shots or a render would be awesome!
EDIT: That would make a hella cool sig btw!

Modifié par kaff33nd, 20 février 2010 - 11:37 .

[jamskinner]

kaff33nd wrote...

Personally, I'm curious to hear what the Hammerhead will be used for. That's all I really want to know. Oh, and some new concept shots or a render would be awesome!
EDIT: That would make a hella cool sig btw!

Probably used to smash really big nails.

[addiction21]

Would you like a couple of waffles?



(I am not going to argue anymore. It was a stupid arguement with little point to it and only drags us both down so have a nice day)

[kaff33nd]

Ooh ooh... can I have waffles? Pleeeease??? (I really like waffles)

[ammit23]

jamskinner wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...
The level of self entitlement I'm seeing here is staggering. It's still not even 3 weeks since ME2 launched,  "relatively soon" for me falls within 1-2 months. Sheesh, you kids

Most of us are not complaining about no content, we are complaining about no information.  We are saying that just like before Bioware is talking the talk and not walking the walk.  Willing to take our money before launch and talk up DLC only to go totally silent after.  They do it on lots of occasions(pinnacle station, ME1 squad small role in ME2).  Do I feel I am entitled to information?  No.  Do I feel Bioware continues to do poorly in the PR department?  Yes.
Also your 1-2 months is garbage.  Bioware said in a couple weeks not months.  If they want to change that go ahead and put it on twitter and in the forums.  So far they haven't.

Who are these kids you refer to, I for one am much older than most people on this forum!  And yes, I have a high level of self entitlement. (I'm seeing a staggering level of ruddeness on the part of avierabegazo...)  If you're complacent with whatever you're given, then a free market economy is going to chew you up and spit you out.  We can demand whatever we as consumers darn well feel like.  That's the
way it works.  I for one don't expect BW to respond, but I expect it
becomes a lesson learned for them and other game publishers in the future. 

As amskinner reiterated, we aren't actually asking for the DLC, we're discussing the lack of info on the DLC release dates or even progress toward finalizing the release dates.  The hype over ME2 (and related sales) is quickly dying off and BW is nowhere to be found, contrary to their public statements.  To restate my earlier post, the lack of news leads to impression that ME2 DLC is going the way of DA:O RtO, which in turn suggests Bioware isn't just having one or two problems, but a series of systemic problems.  In this case they attempted to do a 180 from what happened with ME1, only to promise what they obviously are not delivering.  It would've been better for them to keep their mouths shut and deliver pleasant surprises than make paying customers give up on them.

scyphozoa wrote...
Here is my thing, it has not been an
unreasonable amount of time. So much time hasn't passed that asking
Devs about info is warranted. By the industry standard of how all video
game DLC has been done in the past, Bioware has not made any mistakes
on ME2 dlc. They are not 6 months behind schedule or inactive or
failing to give us info.

Two weeks ago was the cited twitter
post, are you saying that two weeks after an announcement, and a total
of 4 weeks after a game launch, it is too long for Bioware to have
waited to make another announcement?

I am not trying to argue or
be hostile, truth be told I only return to this thread for principle,
but stop saying that you are being denied a service you paid for. You
get daily Cerberus news, its not worth anything, but it is updated
daily. You got an announcement 2 weeks ago, and in all comparative
video game industry standards, 2 weeks is damn relevant and recent.
Most announcements go months in between. Cerberus network probably
won't, but 2 weeks is not long enough to start claiming your service is
being denied.

just IMO

I too am not trying to be hostile or argumenative, just trying to send a message to BW. And even to them I'd readily admit that ME2 was easily one of the all-time best games I've ever played.  But in-game details added up to make it apparent that the game wasn't complete compared to what they
initially intended.  Again, the impression is that they made a game
but held part of it back to be DLC and included it as part of the sales pitch for the game.  Then, a few weeks after the game is released they aren't to be found to even even acknowledge that DLC still exists (lack of update on Facebook, Twitter, their own webpage, etc.).  And yes, a month is a long
time to wait if they're attempting to maintain any level of hype over
their own major-release title.  If it were an add-on pack that we would
pay for, I would be happy to wait as long as it took to get a good
product with or without news.  That could easily be 4-6 months.  But a free DLC has no purpose other than to extend the excitement over the game, and therefore sales.  And bottom line, anyone gives me a sales pitch that includes a minimum of four free DLC's (ref),
then suddenly goes quiet... I'm going to call them on the carpet about
it until they at least provide some info about when I might see it.

In-game "news" definitely doesn't count as that's easy (and mostly likely) to program far in advance.  One person can sit down and do that in a single business day.

[jamskinner]

addiction21 wrote...

Would you like a couple of waffles?

(I am not going to argue anymore. It was a stupid arguement with little point to it and only drags us both down so have a nice day)

Actually I prefer pancakes.  Not as crusty.   You can get more syrup to stay on waffles though.

[ammit23]

kaff33nd wrote...

You two should start a group.

This ^

[jamskinner]

ammit23 wrote...

kaff33nd wrote...

You two should start a group.

This ^

I tried, but it wasn't recipricated.  I guess no one likes combining programming
with arguing.
Plus he already is in the waffle group.

Modifié par jamskinner, 21 février 2010 - 12:07 .

[kaff33nd]

Mmmm.... waffles

Modifié par kaff33nd, 21 février 2010 - 12:11 .

[addiction21]

Great I am going to end up with another message from a dev that tells me to stop derailing threads into waffle conversations

[ammit23]

LOL, kaff33nd, but you're getting us off topic,
The point of the thread is lack of news from BW, not how much we like waffles...

[ammit23]

addiction21 wrote...

Great I am going to end up with another message from a dev that tells me to stop derailing threads into waffle conversations

Nah, that's not your fault...

Let's all keep it civil.  This threads not about us going at each other, it's about whether BW should have provided updated info on DLC.  Some say "heck yeah", some say "not necessary, it'll come out when it comes out".  I for one am in the category of they need to give at least some additional info or risk alienating their fans (those that haven't already gotten turned of by ME1 and DA:O DLC's)

[kaff33nd]

Yes, ahem, sorry about that everyone....



By the way ammit23, I think you made some very good points a few posts back. Um, about the, ah... oh crap. I need waffles. Back later guys!

[addiction21]

ammit23 wrote...

LOL, kaff33nd, but you're getting us off topic,
The point of the thread is lack of news from BW, not how much we like waffles...

Which seems to allready be a commonly known fact so I have never understood why some think it will suddenly change for any reason. Especially now that the evil soul sucking child eating EA is involved with things now.

It is something that has been discussed/argued about for many a year on BW boards, I would like to think it could be changed but truth is I should just prolly keep my dumb waffle eating slightly bigger then it is supposed to be pale arse out of these threads... (was that too much? Anyone vomiting yet? I hope so

ammit23 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Great I am going to end up with another message from a dev that tells me to stop derailing threads into waffle conversations

Nah, that's not your fault...

Trust me it will not be seen that way. There is not a dev or mod I know of over the years that has not told me to stop talking about waffles

Modifié par addiction21, 21 février 2010 - 12:24 .

[ammit23]

I don't know that anyone is expecting BW to change their behavior. The point, at least for me, is to express my discontent and encourage others that feel the same to do likewise. In time maybe/hopefully BW will learn from their mistakes. But their recent track record doesn't suggest they are learning. Therefore I continue with my outcry.

I like the signature block, additction21

Modifié par ammit23, 21 février 2010 - 12:27 .

[ammit23]

addiction21 wrote...
Trust me it will not be seen that way. There is not a dev or mod I know of over the years that has not told me to stop talking about waffles

Then perhaps you should refrain from mentioning waffles and stay on topic? lol

[Kolos2]

kaff33nd wrote...

This is less about the current thread's topic and more about the response to sentiment in this thread.
I keep seeing the same posters saying things like "be patient" and "stop whining about there being no DLC yet", and it amazes me that people can be so ignorant of certain in-your-face facts. Namely, that the OP never started this thread asking for the DLCs now but rather asked for BioWare to give some info on the current state of development for these DLCs. I even wrote that earlier but people just don't seem to see what's right in front of them. This is a thread fishing for information and not for release of content. Sure, many of us excercise little apparent "patience" here, and we may look like 'cry-babies', but that, as well as not liking the current DLCs is our prerogative.
 support this thread, bump it with some intelligent agreement. And if you don't support it then wtf are you here for?

Exactly


What waffles ehm baffles me, how hard it can be to put up some relevant info about DLCs that where announcet even before the launch of the game; Im not asking for the source code here, just the most common questions that would be answered prolly with a short DLC description, what can we expect and how does the content fit into the game.
Becouse the simple fact is, we had NO direct info about any of the DLCs (the Bioware DLC plan and twitter, thats it), even the picture for the hover tank is from the art book.
And to be honest most of us know that Bioware DLC history aint something thy can be proud of and yes that makes us even more worried  becouse of the possible deja vu scenario.

What i find ironic:  its strongly claimed the DLCs gonna be free, now any kind of info or data wont change the financial gain, so there isnt a lot of room for options here
.;
-Bioware beeing lazy, neglecting its costumers or the community guy aint doing his job right, simple as that




Dont take me wrong, i like Bioware, i like the game and i know many other companys do the same (not all tho) but its disappointing that now after thy cashed their prioritys changed 
Summerizing it all ; you will get all the info you need once you download the thing and play it, mayheps in a year and half
 

Modifié par Kolos2, 21 février 2010 - 01:17 .

[DigitalLiquid I]

Kolos2 wrote...
Exactly


What waffles ehm baffles me, how hard it can be to put up some relevant info about DLCs that where announcet even before the launch of the game; Im not asking for the source code here, just the most common questions that would be answered prolly with a short DLC description, what can we expect and how does the content fit into the game.
Becouse the simple fact is, we had NO direct info about any of the DLCs (the Bioware DLC plan and twitter, thats it), even the picture for the hover tank is from the art book.
And to be honest most of us know that Bioware DLC history aint something thy can be proud of and yes that makes us even more worried  becouse of the possible deja vu scenario.

What i find ironic:  its strongly claimed the DLCs gonna be free, now any kind of info or data wont change the financial gain, so there isnt a lot of room for options here
.;
-Bioware beeing lazy, neglecting its costumers or the community guy aint doing his job right, simple as that




Dont take me wrong, i like Bioware, i like the game and i know many other companys do the same (not all tho) but its disappointing that now after thy cashed their prioritys changed 
Summerizing it all ; you will get all the info you need once you download the thing and play it, mayheps in a year and half
 

While i agree with you, i wouldn't exactly say "Bioware are being lazy". I think they're just guilty of the usual "We'll tell you when we tell you" mentality. This is what you get from pretty much all developers when it comes to info, especially regarding DLC. I think people are just getting tired of the usual "Soon, later, spring, summer, maybe, possibly" buzz-words that all developers use. Solid info would be nice for once. I don't want to have to wait until the day before the DLC comes out before i find out anything about it.

[ammit23]

In a lot of ways, the more generic info that you get from most developers is the smarter approach. Doesn't create any false expectations. I would love solid info, but that could set them up for failure. (for example RtO, ME1 DLC's, etc.) But the fact is that BW isn't putting out ANYTHING. As far as anyone can tell, BW has been incommunicado for last 2+ weeks besides a few people getting on the forum and locking down off-topic threads. (Oh well, there was that whole thing with mr stanley woo going all arrogant on the community, even when "trying" to apologize)

[kaff33nd]

What bothers me the most, and what I'm most worried about, is BioWare's future as a developer now that EA has them by the short & curlies. I hope BioWare doesn't end up like Pandemic, at least before we get ME3 that is.

If BioWare want to remain tight-lipped regarding their plans for DLCs etc, that's their business to do so. But it aint gonna stop me nagging them.

[Kolos2]

DigitalLiquid I wrote...


While i agree with you, i wouldn't exactly say "Bioware are being lazy". I think they're just guilty of the usual "We'll tell you when we tell you" mentality.

Well Return to Ostagar had an offcial announcement hence most had an general idea what it will bring to the game; we got none for ME DLCs;

Just imagine that this is the general idea for any futher DLCs, past Hammerhead when those will be based on bioware points;

[Varenus Luckmann]

I never, ever, ever understood people that have butter on their waffles. True, I haven't tasted it, but it sounds absolutely unedible.

[Kolos2]

what about jam or honey , thats nice, no ?

[Taiko Roshi]

scyphozoa wrote...

lol does the OP realize most DLC is released months after the game launch date?

just play your NG+ or don't, but don't make threads trying to get Bioware to accommodate your personal schedule. good christ.

That is only true for developers that release the full version of the game. With ME 2 you only have half the game on release. No wonder the OP is getting impatient, he wants to pay more money for DLC that will provide us with the other half of the game, which should of been included at launch.