Collider wrote...
cooldevo wrote...
It's in a way the same thing. How did Saren, and Nihlus do their job? By killing the bad people that made the world unsafe for the regular innocent people. Essentially it's Government sponsored assassination, which is still assassination. They just weren't told specific targets, they were given their choice of how and what to do.
Um, it's not government sponsored assassination if they don't give the Spectres specific targets. You may as well say that the police departments sponsor assassination because the police officers sometimes kill in self defense or defense of others. Would love to hear you tell a police officer that he's an assassin.
Spectres are given a blank check to do what they feel they need to do on behalf of the council. As stated from ME1, to do the jobs that need to be done, when the council cannot be directly involved. That leave no accountability or oversight. Saren directly killed thousands of people in ME1, and was backed by the council until they had no option. So yes, they didn't name the targets, but they approved of his work, while maintaining as little oversight as possible. That makes them just as complicit as Saren. If they had not, would most of ME1 even happened?
Breaking the law in order to uphold the law just makes it worse for a true paragon. How can someone break the law in order to uphold it, and still be taken seriously?
It's fairly simple. Take Noveria for example. You're tracking down Benezia, who is working with Saren. You are technically not allowed to carry weapons with you, but due to being a Spectre, an exception can be made. It doesn't mean you HAVE to use those weapons.
The spectre title allows for some exceptions to be made, yes. But those are at the directive of the Council. If they didn't enforce compliance would the Noverians have really listened? They only did what they did because they were required to do so. And sure, if they didn't you could just blow them away and walk right in, but that defeats the whole who is less evil part of the discussion.
How does that really make you any better than a hired-merc or hired-assassin? If you need to hold the paragon image high, you have to set the standard of what is good, right, and just. That does not mean lowering yourself down to the criminals level to put them away.
Being a Spectre by itself does not lend itself to being moral or immoral. No one needs to be killed, a Spectre can strive to only arrest subjects for trial and at worst kill in self-defense. An assassin NEEDS to kill people, and it is not in immediate self-defense due to the fact that it is premeditated. Thane did not give Nassana the chance to stand down and turn herself in, instead he just came in through the vents and immediately started killing people.
And exactly that. What chance does Morinth give anyone either? Does she warn them what will happen before she does what she does? No she does not and that really doesn't put her on any better foot than Thane. Which is what this whole discussion is about. Thane at least expresses regret for what he does and has done. Morinth does not, rather she relishes and gets off on the "power" she gets from it. And shows no sign or interest in stopping. That's very evident if you talk to her about the objects in her apartment.
Of which, even if you get into the whole "turning herself in" would she really? If she was that worried about being assassinated by one of her sisters, why does she not do that? Easy, because she never wanted to nor was planning on it. She had plenty of time while she was killing innocent construction workers for no reason other than they didn't clear out of the building fast enough. She just got a taste her own medicine.
Modifié par cooldevo, 22 février 2010 - 07:53 .
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