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[beautifvl_flaw]

People have a problem with Morinth because she kills for the thrill of it and not for a living like Shepard and Thane.

[Speakeasy13]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

You're right I forgot about that. But that still doesn't mean you take matters into your own hands and kill him. You alert the authorities instead.

I guess you're right. But the kid didn't know any better. He was probably just trying to get back at his dad for not playing Tackle the Hanar with him as a child. As far as adolescent rebelions go, killing random scumbags is still better than shooting classmates at school right?

[tonnactus]

yummysoap wrote...
 If she had a reason to kill them, like Thane, then they wouldn't have as much of a problem with her.

Money is a better reason then pleasure?
This is getting better and better...:innocent:

[Kaosu Haze]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So is Shepard. The difference is that Shepard and Thane don't kill innocents nor to they kill for just pleasure. Where as Morinth kills people for the heck off it and because she likes the thrill. One is a necessary evil, the other is a monster.

Thane kills people for money. Almost as bad as killing people for the heck of it.

I don't recall Thane mentioning he was ever paid for his services. Originally he killed enemies of the Hanar, he was possibly paid here, even so, they raised him to do it, he never had a choice.
After his wife was murdered he just roamed around killing people who 'deserved' it(ie. Nassana Dantius) of his own accord - no one was paying him to do it.

[77boy84]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

RattleSnake08 wrote...

As Thane puts it, he did not kill them, his body did as it is just a tool.

Please don't use that BS excuse. Thats like a Concentration camp officer saying I was just a tool for Hitler when he is captured and being allowed to walk out free.

It's not really a bs when the drell consider their souls/minds completely seperate from their bodies.
Or however it works.

[Lareit]

I dislike thane greatly for his inability to take responsibility for his actions.

Frankly he's my least favorite chr by a huge margin because of that.



And Talid is a criminal, a racist, and probally worse things, so his death would not trouble me. Though jail is what he desrves for his current level of crimes.

[Kusy]

If thane was trained to be a killer since he was 6 you can really expect him to do anything else later on... training a kid for killing means that besides the combat training you have to compleatly change his morals to make killing something absolutely normal. Someone trained to kill since the age of 6 will consider it a job like any other.

[adriano_c]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

killing many people =/= mass murder

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[Sortelv]

i strongly doubt there is anyone onboard the normandy who arent responsible for a death or two (maybe not directly) and deffinetely noneof your squad, but take a talk wth thane, and talk with Morinth.

i would like to point at Thane being sad when he kills, having regrets, and only wishing to do good.

... i dont remember seeing that in Morinth

[MutantSpleen]

What do you expect the poor girl to do, she can't control it. Go sexless for 1000 years?

[tonnactus]

Jeirt wrote...

Some people seem to ignore that he tells you that he's been trained to become an assassin ever since he was 6. It's almost like indoctrination, they've been telling him how to kill for such a long time, he simply doesn't know what else to do with his life anymore.

Take a regular job.His training could allowed him to work also as a bodyguard who know where are the weaknesses of the security system

[Skilled Seeker]

Exactly at least with Morinth its a genetic disorder. With Thane no matter what you say he can choose to stop killing but he chooses not to. With Morinth she is literally addicted to it.

[T0paze]

tonnactus wrote...

yummysoap wrote...
 If she had a reason to kill them, like Thane, then they wouldn't have as much of a problem with her.

Money is a better reason then pleasure?
This is getting better and better...:innocent:

Of course, it is. That's how it works.

In Troy Priam says an interesting thing that, I believe, wasn't in the Iliad. Basically, he said that he'd seen a lot of wars - for territories, for money etc., and that a war fought for love is certainly not the worst of wars. What makes this thought interesting is that at first thought he's right. However, very few people would actually think that way. And that's because money (territories, natural resources) are thought of as something necessary, so that justified wars to a degree. Romantic love and pleasure are certainly not a necessity, so going to war for that reason is dumb.

Modifié par T0paze, 19 février 2010 - 12:25 .

[tonnactus]

Sortelv wrote...

i strongly doubt there is anyone onboard the normandy who arent responsible for a death or two (maybe not directly) and deffinetely noneof your squad, but take a talk wth thane, and talk with Morinth.
i would like to point at Thane being sad when he kills, having regrets, and only wishing to do good.
... i dont remember seeing that in Morinth

Lol.Give her some time.Asari have a longer lifespan then drell.So maybee she would regret near dead like thane.
Then people would be ok with her, i think.

Modifié par tonnactus, 19 février 2010 - 12:23 .

[Pauravi]

tonnactus wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

There's a big difference between killing for business and killing for sadistic pleasure.

The motive doesnt matter.At the end,the victims are dead.

I disagree that the motives don't matter, especially in this case.

Between the two of them, one expresses an interest in helping people, the traits of humanity and compassion, a desire to repent for his past, and does not display an attitude that leads one to believe that he actually enjoys killing people.  The other has only selfish interests, revels in violence and power,  enjoys toying with peoples lives and takes her greatest delights in destroying innocent people.

Both of them have killed, but I certainly know which one I would rather have watching my back.

[Speakeasy13]

Kaosu Haze wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

So is Shepard. The difference is that Shepard and Thane don't kill innocents nor to they kill for just pleasure. Where as Morinth kills people for the heck off it and because she likes the thrill. One is a necessary evil, the other is a monster.

Thane kills people for money. Almost as bad as killing people for the heck of it.

I don't recall Thane mentioning he was ever paid for his services. Originally he killed enemies of the Hanar, he was possibly paid here, even so, they raised him to do it, he never had a choice.
After his wife was murdered he just roamed around killing people who 'deserved' it(ie. Nassana Dantius) of his own accord - no one was paying him to do it.

I don't think the Compact works like that. Apparently the Hanar was quite civil about employing Thane and Thane doesn't seem to resent it the least bit. Also as soon as Thane got married the Hanar released him from his service. I don't think most hired assassin can afford the luxury.

However Thane did mention that he had to freelance after leaving the Hanar's employment because he had no other skills to make a living, so I'm pretty sure he's getting paid.

[Lareit]

Sortelv wrote...

i strongly doubt there is anyone onboard the normandy who arent responsible for a death or two (maybe not directly) and deffinetely noneof your squad, but take a talk wth thane, and talk with Morinth.
i would like to point at Thane being sad when he kills, having regrets, and only wishing to do good.
... i dont remember seeing that in Morinth

The vast majority of the filler crew seem to be rank and file grunts, soldiers and techs. Most of which likely have not been directly responsible for alot of unjust killing.

As for your squad
Jack-Yes
Grunt-Hasn't been alive long enough too
Garrus-No, he's all about justice and protecting the innocent without a stupid code
Samara-WOuld die before killing an innocent...unless they're cops doing their job....(seriously wtf)
Tali-No,unless they're geth.
Jacob-No
Miranda-Yes, but for good reasons
Zaeed-Yes and for selfish reasons, won't deny it though.
Legion-Unlikely due to his mission.

[MutantSpleen]

Pauravi wrote...

Both of them have killed, but I certainly know which one I would rather have watching my back.

Morinth watched my back fine, she did great keeping up the barriers in the suicide mission.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 19 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[SL22]

"I'm not a crazed gunman, dad, I'm an assassin. Well the difference being one is a job and the other is mental sickness!"

Yeah, this just reminded me of that one quote.

Modifié par SL22, 19 février 2010 - 12:29 .

[Lareit]

Jeirt wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

If thane was trained to be a killer since he was 6 you can really expect him to do anything else later on... training a kid for killing means that besides the combat training you have to compleatly change his morals to make killing something absolutely normal. Someone trained to kill since the age of 6 will consider it a job like any other.

That's exactly how I see it. He never even had a choice. You might say he was brainwashed into being who he is now.

Lareit wrote...

I dislike thane greatly for his inability to take responsibility for his actions.

Inability? I'd say it's a coping mechanism. Even after spending most of his life, if not all his life, as an assassin, part of him probably still believes that killing is wrong. The fact alone that he doesn't want his son to become like him makes this pretty obvious. Telling himself that he's just a weapon is most likely his way of coping with the evils he committed.

IT's not coping. It's denial. Accepting he did wrong and that he must attone by killing evil people is fine. The frustrating part is he's halfway there...but decides to use his species belief to keep from going all the way.

I mean hell, he even scoffs off his own sons responsiblity by using the same "disconnected from his body" bull****. His son isn't disconnected, his son is emotionally weak because his father sucked at his job and got his wife killed because he couldn't quit being an assassin after the hanar let him go.

It's absurdly irresponsibile, he's welcome to finally admit fault but untill he does, thane is worse then Grunt and Jack.

Modifié par Lareit, 19 février 2010 - 12:32 .

[Daralii]

Sortelv wrote...

i strongly doubt there is anyone onboard the normandy who arent responsible for a death or two (maybe not directly) and deffinetely noneof your squad, but take a talk wth thane, and talk with Morinth.
i would like to point at Thane being sad when he kills, having regrets, and only wishing to do good.
... i dont remember seeing that in Morinth

It's a difference of ideals, I think Thane can value life and accepts that what he does is morally wrong, but knows that an assassin is what he was raised to be; his soul hates the actions the body performs is how a Drell might explain it I guess.

Samara has an Anakin Skywalker complex; she sees herself and other Justicars as the ultimate defenders of justice, and whoever opposes them is corrupt.

Morinth is insane.

[MatronAdena]

from how it came across, Thane seemed to be really more like a justicar, or a spectre in a sense once his wife was killed. and yes he did regret every kill he made, they all took abit away with him, he did not enjoy it. He tried to minimize any danger to innocent by standards as much as he could.



Morinth on the other hand....well she lived for the thrill of it, targeted young, attractive, bright individuals seduced and killed them for the love of doing it, had a colony worship her, and offer sacrifices to her...



I see a big difference there.



While I do agree that, to MY mind Thane could have taken more responsibility for his deeds " though he does take more than you are picking up from his tones, and body language* he's also not human...you are... just.. TRY to forget everything you learned in life, forget every shred of social and cultural influences, how would your life be, if the normal consensus was utterly different?



the crusades, or the inquisition, or the witch hunts killed millions of people in their respective times...all with support and guidance of the church,,,

they said it was the will of their god..



WE today know that was a horrid deed, there were many many many wronged...we decry it. yet back in that society, that culture, it was accepted as the norm.



could one for once drop the self, and consider what his culture taught, what was viewed as the norm?

Or the Krogan, and their own culture norms?



sure you as a human, with the mindset of 2010 may not be able to " agree" with it, but is it not just as ignorant, and hypocritical to condone another from a culture utterly not related to your own in every shape and form, a Species who were being carried into space to save their species by the Hannar when we humans were still fighting revolutions, and civil wars with muskets?



I may be a soto zen Buddhist, and over all do everything I can to avoid promoting, or causing suffering in others, I'm also not a bleeding heart who can't tell the difference in behaviors and psychology. their is a massive difference between the two.



if Thane is such a monster, turn to your own species, and look to those who directly or indirectly took just as many, or more lives and are branded to this day as heroes