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Thane and Morinth: Both are mass murderers


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Barquiel wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Possibly, but she is young, 400 years.  Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't.


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I'd really like to see Morinth in ME3. Maybe saving the galaxy will change her.

It was the first time in her life that she protect others and watch their back, what was new for her.
Future?She got the chance to take the role of her mother.No one will notice the difference and their are enough bad guys/girls(eclipse) that she could kill with her melding and with justification.

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tonnactus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Possibly, but she is young, 400 years.  Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't.


this

I'd really like to see Morinth in ME3. Maybe saving the galaxy will change her.

It was the first time in her life that she protect others and watch their back, what was new for her.
Future?She got the chance to take the role of her mother.No one will notice the difference and their are enough bad guys/girls(eclipse) that she could kill with her melding and with justification.


We'll forget the part that she manipulates shepard, after blowing up the base, into sleeping with her because he's too strong willed to die.......

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tonnactus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Possibly, but she is young, 400 years.  Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't.


this

I'd really like to see Morinth in ME3. Maybe saving the galaxy will change her.

It was the first time in her life that she protect others and watch their back, what was new for her.
Future?She got the chance to take the role of her mother.No one will notice the difference and their are enough bad guys/girls(eclipse) that she could kill with her melding and with justification.


What an interesting idea. If she only preys on evil people...too bad she cannot be relied upon to stick with it.

But she still has to account for her past actions.

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Morinth wants to kill you.



Thane does not.

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Lareit wrote...

We'll forget the part that she manipulates shepard, after blowing up the base, into sleeping with her because he's too strong willed to die.......




With a smile no less.

Yeah, she's on to some road to recovery there.

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MutantSpleen wrote...

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There is so much depth to Thane. Thane has killed, but comparing him to Morinth is atrocious.

MORINTH IS A ****ING RAPIST!

She is a sexual predator. To the person above saying "oh well, it's either that or never have sex".. ****, she has her fingers. She could get off and NOT kill people, and there is so much more to life than sex.


First Asari can't have sex that way, its with their minds. She can't help killing the people she has sex with. If they could control it they would not be viewed as such monsters by their own people.

Thats easy to say for a human, even then not really.  But to be alone for 1000 years.   Which is what they are consigned to, a life of quiet contemplation, isolated from the rest of their people.




So you're justifying rape.

Go to hell.

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Maybe she really believes that Shepard can survive the melding.

Modifié par Barquiel, 19 février 2010 - 01:29 .


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And couldn't she still have sex without the melding?

Yeah.

Barquiel wrote...

Maybe she really believes that Shepard
can survive.


Sure, dude - she's just looking for companionship.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 19 février 2010 - 01:29 .


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Assassins are not mass murderers. If an assassin kills a lot of people they are doing it wrong. How many people they kill will depend on how long they are active. I would say that one or two kills a year would be the average for someone like Thane.

Wheras Morinth likes to use her powers to mentally enslave an entire village so she can killf*ck whoever she wants whenever she wants. She is as bad as the Reapers.

Big difference.


Thane doesn't indiscriminately kill for pleasure. 

At the Dantius Towers when going to recruit him he obviously didn't just go in, guns blazing (which he calls Shepard out for).  He has a specific target.  Only when Nasaana's mercs start getting in his way, which is twice (once in the vent shaft and again in Nassana's office) does he kill them.  He even goes so far to lock up the Salarians that Nassana orders her mercs to slaughter to keep them safe.  If he truly was a mass murderer he wouldn't have cared about the collateral damage.

Being responsible for his actions is left to your interpretation.  Thane prays for himself now because he is disconnected.  The only lives he feels responsible for taking were the lives of the Batarians that killed his wife.  To him, those lives, no matter how worthless they were, will always be on his soul because he acted out of revenge.  You can even tell him that by his own moral code he can't take responsiblity for killing them.  He acknowledges that, but ultimately he will always feel personally resonsible for killing them.  If he was truly a heartless bastard who killed just for fun he could have easily dismissed his actions and said, "You're right, Shep!  Let's get on wit' a killins!"

Morinth on the other hand is a hot blooded killer, a predator.  She delights and revels in killing her victims.  She has no qualms about taking lives and in fact enjoys it, it gives her pleasure.  Samara tells you that she was given the choice to live in seclusion and she refused, meaning she is addicted to the feeling she gets when killing people.  The more she does it, the more she needs and wants to do it.  Morinth knows how to spin her web and trap her prey and if lives are lost along the way, all the better because she gets off on that sort of thing.

If you truly see Thane and Morinth in the same light, then my suggestion would be to play through the game again and pay attention to the dialogue. 

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Its one of these "Morinth is really misunderstood".

She is a sociopath who thrives on manipulating, using and eventually discarding people. She'd eat you right up with all of your sympathy in five minutes flat and then laugh about it afterward.

Anything she tells you about her hard life is designed to manipulate you into letting her in. EVERYTHING she does is about the hunt, about getting you to lower your defenses.

A sociopath has no hope of redemption because they don't see people as equals or even things worth saving. She even hangs momento's of her some of her kills in her apartment, that is classic serial killer behavior.


What? She had a statue from a Krogan artist that she killed, but she loves art.  She had a sword on the wall, her sword, because she used to practice dueling. You make it sound like she had some creepy wall of kills or something.

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MutantSpleen wrote...

Possibly, but she is young, 400 years.  Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't.

Why would she?  She has already shown a blatant disregard for the lives of other people compared to her own hedonistic pleasure, she makes many remarks about it.  Her condition can't be cured, and she has already spent hundreds of years cultivating a love for hunting and murdering people.

I had to kill her crazy ass mom though. Nothing worse than a religious zealot.  I just couldn't take it when her own mom called her nothing more than a disease to be purged.

Wow, you're kinda nuts.

First of all, she isn't religious.  She lives by a strict code, but it is not religious in nature.  She mentions nothing about dieties, or that there is some intangible, supernatural reason for doing what she does.  It is simply about protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked.  That is all.  That is why she said that about her daughter -- according to her code, the way her daughter behaves is irredeemably wicked.  It is kind of hard to argue against that, honestly.  Also, after the deed is done you can see how incredibly sad about it she is.  She absolutely cared for her daughter, she just had the emotional fortitude to admit that her daughter was evil and to do something about it.

Next, even if it was religious, implying that a serial murderer is less bad than a religious zealot is kind of ridiculous.  One is annoying.  The other is homicidal.  How you can feel that Samara is worse after talking to Nef's mother, and then talking to Morinth about how much she loves violence and hunting people down, is completely beyond me.

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Barquiel wrote...

Maybe she really believes that Shepard can survive.


Yeah, i'm sure she's never lied to one of her victims ever. I mean as a predator she has no inclination to cause her prey to drop their guard.....

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Yeah, her entire method of operation is TO LIE. Why would she suddenly tell Shepard the truth. That makes less sense than the ridiculous notion that she can be redeemed.

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Aisynia wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

There is so much depth to Thane. Thane has killed, but comparing him to Morinth is atrocious.

MORINTH IS A ****ING RAPIST!

She is a sexual predator. To the person above saying "oh well, it's either that or never have sex".. ****, she has her fingers. She could get off and NOT kill people, and there is so much more to life than sex.


First Asari can't have sex that way, its with their minds. She can't help killing the people she has sex with. If they could control it they would not be viewed as such monsters by their own people.

Thats easy to say for a human, even then not really.  But to be alone for 1000 years.   Which is what they are consigned to, a life of quiet contemplation, isolated from the rest of their people.




So you're justifying rape.

Go to hell.


Get off your horse its a bit high.  I am just trying to walk a mile in her shoes, your acting like this is personal.

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MutantSpleen wrote...

Get off your horse its a bit high.  I am just trying to walk a mile in her shoes, your acting like this is personal.


Okay, go enslave a village, force them to throw sacrifices at your feet and then use them as canon fodder against the first law enforcement agent that shows up and let us know how it was.

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MutantSpleen wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

There is so much depth to Thane. Thane has killed, but comparing him to Morinth is atrocious.

MORINTH IS A ****ING RAPIST!

She is a sexual predator. To the person above saying "oh well, it's either that or never have sex".. ****, she has her fingers. She could get off and NOT kill people, and there is so much more to life than sex.


First Asari can't have sex that way, its with their minds. She can't help killing the people she has sex with. If they could control it they would not be viewed as such monsters by their own people.

Thats easy to say for a human, even then not really.  But to be alone for 1000 years.   Which is what they are consigned to, a life of quiet contemplation, isolated from the rest of their people.




So you're justifying rape.

Go to hell.


Get off your horse its a bit high.  I am just trying to walk a mile in her shoes, your acting like this is personal.


This isn't a matter of perspective, she is evil. As evil as evil gets. There is no justification for what she does. There are worse things in life then not having sex. Countless religious sects are full of people who have sworn off sex and they don't go on crazy killing spree as a result.

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Your putting Thane and Morinth in the same league? Morinth is a sadistic **** who seduces her victims before murdering them purposely. Thane is hired out and is unaware of innocence or guilt of the victim. Shepard or anyone in military career 'murder' for a living because they are obeying superior officers or protecting galactic security.



Morinth is a monster, while the other two do it as a profession.

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MutantSpleen wrote...

What? She had a statue from a
Krogan artist that she killed, but she loves art.  She had a sword on
the wall, her sword, because she used to practice dueling. You make it
sound like she had some creepy wall of kills or something.


Didn't
you hear her quote about the sword?  About how she loves the moment
when the other person realizes that they're going to be killed?  She didn't have a wall of heads, but she may as well have.  It seems extremely obvious that she revels in murdering people.  She quite simply does not value anyone's life beyond her own.  Other people are simply tools to be used for her own pleasure.  There is no more sociopathic trait; she is, by any definition, a serial killer.

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AntiChri5 wrote...



What an interesting idea. If she only preys on evil people...

That with nef doesnt make sense to be honest.Because she like violence and nef was just a shy young girl with a talent for art.

Modifié par tonnactus, 19 février 2010 - 01:35 .


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Pauravi wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Possibly, but she is young, 400 years.  Maybe she will change her ways. Maybe she won't.

Why would she?  She has already shown a blatant disregard for the lives of other people compared to her own hedonistic pleasure, she makes many remarks about it.  Her condition can't be cured, and she has already spent hundreds of years cultivating a love for hunting and murdering people.

I had to kill her crazy ass mom though. Nothing worse than a religious zealot.  I just couldn't take it when her own mom called her nothing more than a disease to be purged.

Wow, you're kinda nuts.

First of all, she isn't religious.  She lives by a strict code, but it is not religious in nature.  She mentions nothing about dieties, or that there is some intangible, supernatural reason for doing what she does.  It is simply about protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked.  That is all.  That is why she said that about her daughter -- according to her code, the way her daughter behaves is irredeemably wicked.  It is kind of hard to argue against that, honestly.  Also, after the deed is done you can see how incredibly sad about it she is.  She absolutely cared for her daughter, she just had the emotional fortitude to admit that her daughter was evil and to do something about it.

Next, even if it was religious, implying that a serial murderer is less bad than a religious zealot is kind of ridiculous.  One is annoying.  The other is homicidal.  How you can feel that Samara is worse after talking to Nef's mother, and then talking to Morinth about how much she loves violence and hunting people down, is completely beyond me.


It is religious.  Did you not notice how she says "May you find peace in the Goddess" everytime she whacked someone. The asari cop equated them with warrior-monks

Plus if you hear about Samara from Morinth you learn Samara was a crazy-ass religious zealot that expected her children to be perfect even before she became a Justicar.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 19 février 2010 - 01:45 .


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Barquiel wrote...

Maybe she really believes that Shepard can survive the melding.

Well,even liara told shepardt that others would go insane after getting something like the cipher.It was not necessary a lie.She dont care that shepardt die,that is true.

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tonnactus wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...



What an interesting idea. If she only preys on evil people...

That with nef doesnt make sense to be honest.Because she like violence and nef was just a shy young girl with a talent for art.


i meant if she would only kill evil people then i might consider letting her live. But she wouldnt agree with that and there is no to controll her so she dies.

I doubt i would spare her even if she swore to spend the rest of her life cleaning up the galaxy.

She is undeniabally, indisputabally evil

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  If he truly was a mass murderer he wouldn't have cared about the collateral damage.

Some people really should go to the wikipedia website and look what the definition of a murderer is.

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It was the first time in her life that she protect others and watch their back, what was new for her.


Gee, that's one hell of a selling point. I can see why you like her over that other alien that constantly reminds you how appreciative he is for the chance to atone.

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Your putting Thane and Morinth in the same league? Morinth is a sadistic **** who seduces her victims before murdering them purposely. Thane is hired out and is unaware of innocence or guilt of the victim. Shepard or anyone in military career 'murder' for a living because they are obeying superior officers or protecting galactic security.

Morinth is a monster, while the other two do it as a profession.


I am not saying Morinth is Mother Theresa. I however feel she has a lot less choice about her situation than Thane does. Thane chooses everytime he picks up his gun and takes a job. She chooses to not be forced to live in isolation and be celibate and thus kills. Somehow his is more noble?

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 19 février 2010 - 01:48 .