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[Lareit]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Lotus_Blossom_Assassin wrote...

Your putting Thane and Morinth in the same league? Morinth is a sadistic **** who seduces her victims before murdering them purposely. Thane is hired out and is unaware of innocence or guilt of the victim. Shepard or anyone in military career 'murder' for a living because they are obeying superior officers or protecting galactic security.

Morinth is a monster, while the other two do it as a profession.

I am not saying Morinth is Mother Theresa. I however feels he has a lot less choice about her situation than Thane does. Thane chooses everytime he picks up his gun and takes a job. She choose to not be forced to live in isolation and be celibate and thus kills. Somehow his is more noble?

They have equal choice in the matter.
She only has to abstain from sex. The end, no more murdering people.
Thats NOT asking for much.

Thane was raised from the age of 6 to kill people. It's far more ingrained in his pyschology then it is her's.

He sought some redemption, on his own, without somone forcing it on him.

She becomes more debase as time goes on.

I don't respect thane, but this isn't even a comparison. Morinth is simply a monster, true to the term.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Lotus_Blossom_Assassin wrote...

Your putting Thane and Morinth in the same league? Morinth is a sadistic **** who seduces her victims before murdering them purposely. Thane is hired out and is unaware of innocence or guilt of the victim. Shepard or anyone in military career 'murder' for a living because they are obeying superior officers or protecting galactic security.

Morinth is a monster, while the other two do it as a profession.

I am not saying Morinth is Mother Theresa. I however feels he has a lot less choice about her situation than Thane does. Thane chooses everytime he picks up his gun and takes a job. She choose to not be forced to live in isolation and be celibate and thus kills. Somehow his is more noble?

I take it you didn't pay attention to his conversation with Shepherd when they first met then?

About how he feels he failed during the Nassana assassination because innocents died (the salarian workers that got killed). Also if he was such a cold blooded killer how come he saved some of them when they were going to get killed by one of Nassana's eclipse mercs?

[Tleining]

MutantSpleen wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Its one of these "Morinth is really misunderstood".

She is a sociopath who thrives on manipulating, using and eventually discarding people. She'd eat you right up with all of your sympathy in five minutes flat and then laugh about it afterward.

Anything she tells you about her hard life is designed to manipulate you into letting her in. EVERYTHING she does is about the hunt, about getting you to lower your defenses.

A sociopath has no hope of redemption because they don't see people as equals or even things worth saving. She even hangs momento's of her some of her kills in her apartment, that is classic serial killer behavior.

What? She had a statue from a Krogan artist that she killed, but she loves art.  She had a sword on the wall, her sword, because she used to practice dueling. You make it sound like she had some creepy wall of kills or something.

wasn't it? (creepy wall of kills) She killed the Artist who made that statue, she practiced dueling, means she killed people with those blades, the chess-board..., i don't remember exactly what she said, but it had to do with killing, made me consider not playing chess for a while.  Everything there represents a kill, her love for the hunt and the thrill at besting an opponent.

As for her love of art, it what makes her an experienced predator, she doesn't randomly kill people, she has her own highly refined tastes. People who stand out, excite her, as does Art, Music and Traveling. It is what she is looking for, what she is addicted to. There is no cure for that, and Morinth believes, that her condition is the future of the asari race, and that she is basically doing the people she kills a favor.

[tonnactus]

Lareit wrote...
 It's far more ingrained in his pyschology then it is her's.

That her people though of her as a monster isnt ingrained???

He sought some redemption, on his own, without somone forcing it on him.

He only regrets because he is near dead.Thats it.

Modifié par tonnactus, 19 février 2010 - 01:51 .

[MutantSpleen]

No I just think Thane is deluding himself. He is a killer. Morinth is a killer, she does not deny it.

Hell, Shepard is a stone cold killer. I wonder sometimes how many people I have killed in this game.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 19 février 2010 - 01:54 .

[Lareit]

tonnactus wrote...

Lareit wrote...
 It's far more ingrained in his pyschology then it is her's.

That her people though of her as a monster isnt ingrained???

He sought some redemption, on his own, without somone forcing it on him.

He only regrets because he is near dead.Thats it.

He regrets killing his wife by proxy
he regrets failing his son as a father, though mostly by getting his mother killed
he regrets alot of things. Dying isn't really one of them.

[tonnactus]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...


I take it you didn't pay attention to his conversation with Shepherd when they first met then?

About how he feels he failed during the Nassana assassination because innocents died (the salarian workers that got killed). Also if he was such a cold blooded killer how come he saved some of them when they were going to get killed by one of Nassana's eclipse mercs?

Some people still dont seem to understand what the word mass murderer mean...
A person that killed more then one victim...
It doesnt matter that he protect and save some others.

[Lareit]

MutantSpleen wrote...

No I just think Thane is deluding himself. He is a killer. Morinth is a killer, she does not deny it.

Hell, Shepard is a stone cold killer. I wonder soemtimes how many people I have killed in this game.

Quoting Arnold

"yes but they were all bad."

It's pretty easy to keep your shepard as a good guy.

[tonnactus]

Lareit wrote...


He regrets killing his wife by proxy
he regrets failing his son as a father, though mostly by getting his mother killed
he regrets alot of things. Dying isn't really one of them.

He regrets because he is dying.Only know he begin to think about what he has done.

Modifié par tonnactus, 19 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Wildhide]

According to our society it does. It makes him a hero, by definition. When he worked as a Hanar assassin he was a hero by our standards. If you kill in the name of your government, your country/world considers you a hero.



After that he only kills evil people who hurt others, that leaves him by our standards a Vigilante. Something like The Punisher. Who people have mixed feelings on as well.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

tonnactus wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...


I take it you didn't pay attention to his conversation with Shepherd when they first met then?

About how he feels he failed during the Nassana assassination because innocents died (the salarian workers that got killed). Also if he was such a cold blooded killer how come he saved some of them when they were going to get killed by one of Nassana's eclipse mercs?

Some people still dont seem to understand what the word mass murderer mean...
A person that killed more then one victim...
It doesnt matter that he protect and save some others.

As has been said before, by that definition, Shepherd can easily be deemed as such as well, so if you feel really badly about mass murderers, here is an idea, don't play the game as obviously you are going to have issues playing Shepherd

[Wildhide]

tonnactus wrote...

Lareit wrote...


He regrets killing his wife by proxy
he regrets failing his son as a father, though mostly by getting his mother killed
he regrets alot of things. Dying isn't really one of them.

He regrets because he is dying.Only know he begin to think about what he has done.

Actually, he considered it after he lost his wife, which was... I think 10 years before ME2 if I remember right.

[tonnactus]

[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

[quote]tonnactus wrote...

[quote]Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...


I take it you didn't pay attention to his conversation with Shepherd when they first met then?

About how he feels he failed during the Nassana assassination because innocents died (the salarian workers that got killed). Also if he was such a cold blooded killer how come he saved some of them when they were going to get killed by one of Nassana's eclipse mercs?

[/quote]
Some people still dont seem to understand what the word mass murderer mean...
A person that killed more then one victim...
It doesnt matter that he protect and save some others.

[/quote]
???
My shepardt even let the young ecilpse murderer go,because he has something against self justice...
So i dont know what you mean.Shepardt doesnt has to kill innocents like thane did and his son wanted.

[Nizzemancer]

MutantSpleen wrote...

What do you expect the poor girl to do, she can't control it. Go sexless for 1000 years?

Yes, her sisters did it...

also:

I hate junkies, weaklings...

[Wildhide]

Nizzemancer wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

What do you expect the poor girl to do, she can't control it. Go sexless for 1000 years?

Yes, her sisters did it...

also:

I hate junkies, weaklings...

The Justicars do it as well, Samara stopped having sex so she wouldn't have any more kids.  She stopped as soon as she realized she was giving each kid the mutation Morinth has.  She's been a Justicar for 300-400 years?  So it's been a long time for her and her other daughters.

[hawat333]

Apparently, you don't know the meaning of the term 'mass murderer'.

Both are murderers, yes.



Thane has probably killed innocents as well. The difference is, that he wants to atone. He doesn't enjoy the killing itself. It doesn't justify his former profession, but it makes his actions more understandable.

[Pauravi]

MutantSpleen wrote...
It is religious.  Did you not notice how she says "May you find peace in the Goddess" everytime she whacked someone.

So what?  That doesn't imply that her code is religiously motivated.  She said herself that the code has nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment -- it exists to protect the innocent and punish the wicked.

The asari cop equated them with warrior-monks

Yes, in that they practice aceticism.  They forego 'Earthly' posessions to dedicate themselves to a cause.  She likened them, she didn't say they were the same thing.

Plus if you hear about Samara from Morinth you learn Samara was a crazy-ass religious zealot that expected her children to be perfect even before she became a Justicar.

I'm not sure I'd believe anything she said, honestly.
Even if this were true it doesn't justify the things she does to people.  Samara is still the better person.  Samara is strict and religious.  Morinth murders people for fun.  This isn't even a close race as to who is worse.

[tonnactus]

hawat333 wrote...


Thane has probably killed innocents as well. The difference is, that he wants to atone.

Yes,that should really help his dead victims.

[Ackillez]

He was given up by his parents to be trained as an assassin at the age of six under terms where he had little choice. I can't seem to be able to judge him for what he did during that time, but the story does have a weak link when he states that he started freelancing because he 'had no other skills' when he was released from service by the Hanar due to getting married. Certainly he could've been able to get a legitimate job somewhere in the security sector or even armed forces of some sort?

[Remaix]

tonnactus wrote...

hawat333 wrote...


Thane has probably killed innocents as well. The difference is, that he wants to atone.

Yes,that should really help his dead victims.

You know who's also a murderer? Shepard is. So is Garrus. And Miranda. Jacob. Mordin. Jack. Even Tali.
Every single squad member you have kills people. It happens during normal gameplay, even. Yet, I don't see you preaching about those poor, poor mercs.

[mundus66]

Everybody on your squad save for maybe Tali and Grunt although he is breed to be one, are pretty much mass murders. Oh and Legion.

[Vendrac]

Nizzemancer wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

What do you expect the poor girl to do, she can't control it. Go sexless for 1000 years?

Yes, her sisters did it...

also:

I hate junkies, weaklings...

This.

Also I'm pretty sure Morinth would have been approached with the option of living in isolation well before she was hoplessly addicted to the killing/abosorbing of her victims essence. Yet she chose not to. I got the distinct impression she not only enjoys it because the final act is narcotic, but she enjoys the power it gives her. Both literal and psycological.

Modifié par Vendrac, 19 février 2010 - 02:32 .

[shaneho78]

Remaix wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

hawat333 wrote...


Thane has probably killed innocents as well. The difference is, that he wants to atone.

Yes,that should really help his dead victims.

You know who's also a murderer? Shepard is. So is Garrus. And Miranda. Jacob. Mordin. Jack. Even Tali.
Every single squad member you have kills people. It happens during normal gameplay, even. Yet, I don't see you preaching about those poor, poor mercs.

As Dr Mordin would say. Different cases. Self defense. Combat instinctual, justified. Murder for hire not the same.
 

[Jigero]

Big difference between an assassin and a serial killer.



Thane kills people because other people want them dead, he takes no pleasure from it, or has any emotional ties to it and only does it because he is told to. Even if Thane said "NO" over some moral bull crap it will just mean he won't be the one to kill him, the target will still probably die at the hands of another assassin who is willing to do the job. All it gets Thane is a no money and probably some one out for his life now. Thane even regrets what he has done and says he's not a good guy and has done alot of bad things. He knows he can't do any thing to make it better but he would like to give alittle good back to the universe.



On top of that that Turian was not innocent he was funding Blood Pack, who do kill for the hell of it. If you give a man a gun to commit a murder your just as guilty.



Mornith on the other hand, kills for the fun of it, kills people who don't need or deserved to be killed and takes pleasure from it and abuses people emotionally.

[tonnactus]

Remaix wrote...

You know who's also a murderer? Shepard is.

What people shepardt murdered?There is a difference between killing and murdering...