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[yummysoap]

Jigero wrote...

Big difference between an assassin and a serial killer.

Thane kills people because other people want them dead, he takes no pleasure from it, or has any emotional ties to it and only does it because he is told to. Even if Thane said "NO" over some moral bull crap it will just mean he won't be the one to kill him, the target will still probably die at the hands of another assassin who is willing to do the job. All it gets Thane is a no money and probably some one out for his life now. Thane even regrets what he has done and says he's not a good guy and has done alot of bad things. He knows he can't do any thing to make it better but he would like to give alittle good back to the universe.

On top of that that Turian was not innocent he was funding Blood Pack, who do kill for the hell of it. If you give a man a gun to commit a murder your just as guilty.

Mornith on the other hand, kills for the fun of it, kills people who don't need or deserved to be killed and takes pleasure from it and abuses people emotionally.

but omg motive dont matter!!!! that's why when I have sex with kittens and then decapitate them I should recieve no more punishment than a vet performing animal euthanasia!! Either way its killing! Lol!!!

This thread is pointless.

Oh, and before I get misquoted I don't think Thane's murders are akin to performing animal euthanasia, but they're a hell of a lot more moral than seducing some helpless victim into trusting you and then brainf*cking them 'til death. Come on. There is no argument here.

EDIT: PLUS, your argument is dealing entirely in hypotheticals. We don't know how many innocents Thane has killed, we don't even know if he has killed innocents (granted, it's likely).

We do know that Morinth brainwashed an entire f*cking village and then threw them in droves towards her murderous mother without a hint of compassion.

Modifié par yummysoap, 19 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[Remaix]

tonnactus wrote...

Remaix wrote...

You know who's also a murderer? Shepard is.

What people shepardt murdered?There is a difference between killing and murdering...

A renegade Shepard can murder many people.
But, whatever, it obviously doesn't matter what I have to say here. Not for you, at least. You ignore the motives, while motives are a large part.
Without motives, this becomes purely based around statistics.

Modifié par Remaix, 19 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[MutantSpleen]

tonnactus wrote...

Remaix wrote...

You know who's also a murderer? Shepard is.

What people shepardt murdered?There is a difference between killing and murdering...

Hmm. A lot for me.

Well I guess, do executions count as murder?

Fisk
Shiala
Ferros colonists
Rachni Queen
Indoctrinated salarians on Virmire

Those are ones I definitely "pulled the trigger on"
Theres a lot more that are kind of grey area.

[Wild Still]

I kill all sorts of things, I could blame my reflexes, but my brain enjoys it so much. I'm only mad at Frog-Man-Sad-Face-Assassin-Guy because he is all sad about being a bastard.

[yummysoap]

Erm. I accidently quoted my post instead of editing it. Disregard this.

Modifié par yummysoap, 19 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[nicodeemus327]

This is what makes Thane a good character because he's ****ing flawed you trolling goodie two-shoes tosser. Forgive me, I've been watching too much zero punctuation but you get my point.

While Mornith is just pure evil. There's really no conflict there.

Modifié par nicodeemus327, 19 février 2010 - 03:18 .

[anmiro]

I don't see Thane as Evil. The Galaxy is an imperfect place and people will always kill other people. If Thane were some bloodthirsty sociopath who takes joy in the killing of others, than I would say he was as evil as any one person can be. But Thane has a conscience, he does what he does because its what hes been taught and its all he knows how to do. I'd say the Hanar who raise Drell children to be Assassins are far more evil. The people who higher Thane are evil. As Thane said, he is only a weapon, what he does is not personal for him.

The one thing I took from Thane is that while he may have done some pretty awful things in his time, he can still recognize right from wrong. And that his life as an Assassin is weighing on him. Thane is not a perfect person, but neither is anyone else. 

Also, Shepard has killed far more sentient life forms than Thane. The only distinction between Shepard and a mass murder is that you think everyone hes killed deserved it.

Modifié par anmiro, 19 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[Wild Still]

nicodeemus327 wrote...

This is what makes Thane a good character because he's ****ing flawed you trolling goodie two-shoes tosser. Forgive me, I've been watching too much zero punctuation but you get my point.

While Mornith is just pure evil. There's really no conflict there.

Thane isn't flawed, he's a one-dimensional ball of sorrow wrapped in a cloak of sadly-sad-faced-sad-sad-tears of sadness. No assassin on my crew is going to need a hug and a good cry to function.

I am betting his son would have been a way better crew member after a while with renegade Shepard.




Also, Zero Punctuation is awesome.

[tonnactus]

Remaix wrote...


A renegade Shepard can murder many people.
But, whatever, it obviously doesn't matter what I have to say here. Not for you, at least. You ignore the motives, while motives are a large part.
Without motives, this becomes purely based around statistics.

Motives doesnt matter if they change nothing.Dead is dead.Nothing bring thanes victims back to life.

[nicodeemus327]

Wild Still wrote...

No assassin on my crew is going to need a hug and a good cry to function.

You clearly don't know what flawed means. This sentence embodies the very definition of flawed. A flaw is a defect or shortcoming. The fact that you have to feed him a feel good cookie just so he can do his job makes him flawed. If he wasn't flawed he'd continue to be a perfect machine of death regardless of any emotional bull****. He’d be able to deal with it on his own and become completely boring. Typically people who do that are called Mary Sues.

[tonnactus]

MutantSpleen wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Remaix wrote...

You know who's also a murderer? Shepard is.

What people shepardt murdered?There is a difference between killing and murdering...

Hmm. A lot for me.

Well I guess, do executions count as murder?

Fisk
Shiala
Ferros colonists
Rachni Queen
Indoctrinated salarians on Virmire

Those are ones I definitely "pulled the trigger on"
Theres a lot more that are kind of grey area.

Well some people wrote it that way that shepardt,regardless how you play him,is as bad as thane or morinth,what is definetly false.

[yummysoap]

tonnactus wrote...

Remaix wrote...


A renegade Shepard can murder many people.
But, whatever, it obviously doesn't matter what I have to say here. Not for you, at least. You ignore the motives, while motives are a large part.
Without motives, this becomes purely based around statistics.

Motives doesnt matter if they change nothing.Dead is dead.Nothing bring thanes victims back to life.

yummysoap wrote...

Jigero wrote...

Big difference between an assassin and a serial killer.

Thane
kills people because other people want them dead, he takes no pleasure
from it, or has any emotional ties to it and only does it because he is
told to. Even if Thane said "NO" over some moral bull crap it will just
mean he won't be the one to kill him, the target will still probably
die at the hands of another assassin who is willing to do the job. All
it gets Thane is a no money and probably some one out for his life now.
Thane even regrets what he has done and says he's not a good guy and
has done alot of bad things. He knows he can't do any thing to make it
better but he would like to give alittle good back to the universe.

On
top of that that Turian was not innocent he was funding Blood Pack, who
do kill for the hell of it. If you give a man a gun to commit a murder
your just as guilty.

Mornith on the other hand, kills for the
fun of it, kills people who don't need or deserved to be killed and
takes pleasure from it and abuses people emotionally.

but
omg motive dont matter!!!! that's why when I have sex with kittens and
then decapitate them I should recieve no more punishment than a vet
performing animal euthanasia!! Either way its killing! Lol!!!

This thread is pointless.

Oh,
and before I get misquoted I don't think Thane's murders are akin to
performing animal euthanasia, but they're a hell of a lot more moral
than seducing some helpless victim into trusting you and then
brainf*cking them 'til death. Come on. There is no argument here.

EDIT:
PLUS, your argument is dealing entirely in hypotheticals. We don't know
how many innocents Thane has killed, we don't even know if he has killed innocents (granted, it's likely).

We do
know that Morinth brainwashed an entire f*cking village and then threw
them in droves towards her murderous mother without a hint of
compassion.

Don't you think I'm going to let you ignore me. >

Motives matter, you child.

[Remaix]

Wild Still wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

This is what makes Thane a good character because he's ****ing flawed you trolling goodie two-shoes tosser. Forgive me, I've been watching too much zero punctuation but you get my point.

While Mornith is just pure evil. There's really no conflict there.

Thane isn't flawed, he's a one-dimensional ball of sorrow wrapped in a cloak of sadly-sad-faced-sad-sad-tears of sadness. No assassin on my crew is going to need a hug and a good cry to function.

I am betting his son would have been a way better crew member after a while with renegade Shepard.




Also, Zero Punctuation is awesome.

The fail is strong in this one.
If there's one thing that annoys me, it's the people who whine that Thane is 'emo' and that he cries all the time and whaaa, whaaa, whaaa! He cries exactly once during the entire game and that's only if you romance him. God forbid some people actually have emotions, hm? How dare Thane not be a stoic!

[tonnactus]

Remaix wrote...

Wild Still wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

This is what makes Thane a good character because he's ****ing flawed you trolling goodie two-shoes tosser. Forgive me, I've been watching too much zero punctuation but you get my point.

While Mornith is just pure evil. There's really no conflict there.

Thane isn't flawed, he's a one-dimensional ball of sorrow wrapped in a cloak of sadly-sad-faced-sad-sad-tears of sadness. No assassin on my crew is going to need a hug and a good cry to function.

I am betting his son would have been a way better crew member after a while with renegade Shepard.




Also, Zero Punctuation is awesome.

The fail is strong in this one.
If there's one thing that annoys me, it's the people who whine that Thane is 'emo' and that he cries all the time and whaaa, whaaa, whaaa! He cries exactly once during the entire game and that's only if you romance him. God forbid some people actually have emotions, hm? How dare Thane not be a stoic!

He cries at the meeting with his son too...
Not that i have a problem with that.

[Remaix]

tonnactus wrote...

Remaix wrote...

Wild Still wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

This is what makes Thane a good character because he's ****ing flawed you trolling goodie two-shoes tosser. Forgive me, I've been watching too much zero punctuation but you get my point.

While Mornith is just pure evil. There's really no conflict there.

Thane isn't flawed, he's a one-dimensional ball of sorrow wrapped in a cloak of sadly-sad-faced-sad-sad-tears of sadness. No assassin on my crew is going to need a hug and a good cry to function.

I am betting his son would have been a way better crew member after a while with renegade Shepard.




Also, Zero Punctuation is awesome.

The fail is strong in this one.
If there's one thing that annoys me, it's the people who whine that Thane is 'emo' and that he cries all the time and whaaa, whaaa, whaaa! He cries exactly once during the entire game and that's only if you romance him. God forbid some people actually have emotions, hm? How dare Thane not be a stoic!

He cries at the meeting with his son too...
Not that i have a problem with that.

Does he? Huh. Have to replay that. Must've missed it on my first playthrough. *cough*

[tonnactus]

yummysoap wrote...
Oh,
and before I get misquoted I don't think Thane's murders are akin to
performing animal euthanasia, but they're a hell of a lot more moral
than seducing some helpless victim into trusting you and then
brainf*cking them 'til death.

Well, his victims werent helpless when he snap necks from behind i guess...
Or assaninate them with a sniper.(he could use that for a reason)
Murdering and moral is a discrepency in itself.

[tonnactus]

Remaix wrote...

Does he? Huh. Have to replay that. Must've missed it on my first playthrough. *cough*

Yes.A very emotional scene.

[yummysoap]

tonnactus wrote...

yummysoap wrote...
Oh,
and before I get misquoted I don't think Thane's murders are akin to
performing animal euthanasia, but they're a hell of a lot more moral
than seducing some helpless victim into trusting you and then
brainf*cking them 'til death.

Well, his victims werent helpless when he snap necks from behind i guess...
Or assaninate them with a sniper.(he could use that for a reason)
Murdering and moral is a discrepency in itself.

You are arguing that there are not differing degrees of notoriety regarding murder. You are losing this argument.

And his neck-snapped victims were armed mercs for hire for the morally reprehensible Nassana Dantius. There is no bloody comparison.

And look, just because I think Morinth is a monster doesn't mean I think Thane's a saint. They're both murderers, and Thane's an idiot for thinking that it was his body that killed them, not his "soul". But of the two, Morinth is clearly the more dangerous, sadistic and evil.

Modifié par yummysoap, 19 février 2010 - 04:18 .

[dreman9999]

Comander Sheperd is a mass murder, too. Yet no one has a problem with it. Why?
He even aborted an unborn Baby.

[tonnactus]

yummysoap wrote...

And his neck-snapped victims were armed mercs for hire for the morally reprehensible Nassana Dantius. There is no bloody comparison.

There are helpless,not innocent,yes.He attack from behind and/or use his sniper, his victims dont get a chance to fight back.

[yummysoap]

If he gave the mercs the opportunity to fight back he wouldn't be a good bloody assassin would he.



I'm thinking by your reasoning Shepard should ask a merc politely if he's aware that he's in his sniper's scope.



"Excuse me, but I'd just like to give you the chance to ready your weapon before I pull this here trigg-" / biotic decapitation

[CrookedAsylum]

MutantSpleen wrote...

It is religious.  Did you not notice how she says "May you find peace in the Goddess" everytime she whacked someone. The asari cop equated them with warrior-monks

Plus if you hear about Samara from Morinth you learn Samara was a crazy-ass religious zealot that expected her children to be perfect even before she became a Justicar.

Nein.
The Asari as a species believe in the godess. The Justicar code itself has nothing to do with religion. Samara believes in the godess, but no more than the average Asari. She is not a zealot, simply the Asari equivelant of a Knight Errant.

And Morinith is a crazy ass b*tch who lies constantly to get people to believe what she wants them to believe. She does not genuinely think that Shepard can successfully meld with her; she said that so he would. And when he does, she kills him with a creepy grin and all.

And if you talk to Samara about her children, she tells you that she simply wanted to settle down and live peacefully, and on top of that, she was upset that she had to kill Morinth, who she considers the strongest and bravest of her daughters.

So, the difference between Thane and Morinth? One's a crazy ass b*tch out to kill you by Snoo Snoo. The other is a person genuinely trying to atone for his sins.

[CorrectJeans]

Seriously, it sounds like 90% of the people in this thread skipped "No Russian".

It's a game, does it matter?

[tonnactus]

yummysoap wrote...

If he gave the mercs the opportunity to fight back he wouldn't be a good bloody assassin would he.

I'm thinking by your reasoning Shepard should ask a merc politely if he's aware that he's in his sniper's scope.

"Excuse me, but I'd just like to give you the chance to ready your weapon before I pull this here trigg-" / biotic decapitation

Thats clear.But his victims are still helpless.There dont know where and how he kill them.