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[Felene]

Remaix wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Felene wrote...

After reading 7 pages of this thread, I think tonnactus's definition of "mass murderer" and "innocent" might be slightly different from an average person.

And MutantSpleen's moral compass wasn't pointing at right direction, plus a few misunderstanding with Asari justicar code.

In short, this thread was a mistake at the very beginning.

After seven pages of this topic, I've realized that sparkling cider is delicious.

After seven pages of this topic, I've realized th- Assuming direct control!

After seven pages of this topic, I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!

[Falcon Punch]

Modifié par Felene, 19 février 2010 - 05:57 .

[Remaix]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Remaix wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Felene wrote...

After reading 7 pages of this thread, I think tonnactus's definition of "mass murderer" and "innocent" might be slightly different from an average person.

And MutantSpleen's moral compass wasn't pointing at right direction, plus a few misunderstanding with Asari justicar code.

In short, this thread was a mistake at the very beginning.

After seven pages of this topic, I've realized that sparkling cider is delicious.

After seven pages of this topic, I've realized th- Assuming direct control!

D<
/Blasts with warp

Ouch! D:

Modifié par Remaix, 19 février 2010 - 05:57 .

[Maj.Pain007]

Simple one is a better VA.

[CrookedAsylum]

Congrats, Felene, Remaix, you've successfully hijacked the thread.

[CrookedAsylum]

Which one's the better VA, Maj?

[Remaix]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Congrats, Felene, Remaix, you've successfully hijacked the thread.

I try.

Modifié par Remaix, 19 février 2010 - 06:03 .

[kaimanaMM]

I'm going to put this here.

It's just a kitten.

That's all.

[CrookedAsylum]

...I bet that kitten is Harbinger in disguise.

Modifié par CrookedAsylum, 19 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Felene]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Congrats, Felene, Remaix, you've successfully hijacked the thread.

<.<  You started it.

I'm just here to end it, tried to end it.

Modifié par Felene, 19 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[CrookedAsylum]

Well, my cider is delicious.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Thane was a government payed assassin who only killed enemies of the Hanar then his wives murderers, and expected to be killed killing Nasana.

Morinth is a serial killer who is addicted to the rush of killing.

Neither is a mass murderer and Morinth is evil while Thane is a good guy with adaptive morals.

[Nizzemancer]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

...I bet that kitten is Harbinger in disguise.

I Bet Sovereign where made from kittens...space-kittens who mastered the mass relays, the only reason Shepard won the battle of the citadel is because every time someone masturbates god kills a kitten...This theory is a work in progress, side-effects may include nausea, headaches and a sense of newfound detachment from humanity.

[Taritu]

Do most of you people listen to the dialogue?



Most of Thane's career he was an assassin for the Hanar people, trained by them starting at age 6. He was a government hit-man, in effect. When he broke from them he did so to kill his wife's murderers, then he spent some time killing people like Nassana Dantias who deserved it.



Yes, he's killed a lot of people. He's an assassin. So's James Bond. They are essentially the same person. He's no worse, or no better, than the Alliance's assassins, or the Asari's or anyone else's.

[jklinders]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Ehh, that Turian was hardly innocent.

And Thane prays for himself, not the victims.

The Turian was innocent. He was presenting his argument through the legal diplomatic process. Just because you disagree with him doesn't give you a right to kill him.

Wha? When you are tracking him he is shaking down several businesses. Real legal and diplomatic;). Of course if you count sending your 500lb bodyguard into the store to "ask" for money I suppose you could call that diplomatic.

Still I would prefer prison to death for him.

[cooldevo]

jklinders wrote...
Wha? When you are tracking him he is shaking down several businesses. Real legal and diplomatic;). Of course if you count sending your 500lb bodyguard into the store to "ask" for money I suppose you could call that diplomatic.

Still I would prefer prison to death for him.

Ahhh but that's where it gets grey.  The lower fish are all the law can really ever get.  Just look at our society today and in the past.  How often do you see mafia bosses and triad leaders arrested and convicted?  Most of them are smart enough to ensure that evidence may implicate them indirectly, but rarely ever fully incriminate them.  Capone was taken down on tax evasion, not for anything else he did and how many people are suspected to have been killed by his word/organization?  It's just part of the way the systems work unfortunately.  In lots of cases red tape often helps the crooked just as much as the innocent (sometimes moreso).

In the game's context it seems almost the same.....  Thane seem he did what he felt he had to, because it was the only way to protect innocent people from the "untouchables."

[AntiChri5]

cooldevo wrote...

jklinders wrote...
Wha? When you are tracking him he is shaking down several businesses. Real legal and diplomatic;). Of course if you count sending your 500lb bodyguard into the store to "ask" for money I suppose you could call that diplomatic.

Still I would prefer prison to death for him.

Ahhh but that's where it gets grey.  The lower fish are all the law can really ever get.  Just look at our society today and in the past.  How often do you see mafia bosses and triad leaders arrested and convicted?  Most of them are smart enough to ensure that evidence may implicate them indirectly, but rarely ever fully incriminate them.  Capone was taken down on tax evasion, not for anything else he did and how many people are suspected to have been killed by his word/organization?  It's just part of the way the systems work unfortunately.  In lots of cases red tape often helps the crooked just as much as the innocent (sometimes moreso).

In the game's context it seems almost the same.....  Thane seem he did what he felt he had to, because it was the only way to protect innocent people from the "untouchables."

A system which really hurt Garrus's feelings.

[cooldevo]

AntiChri5 wrote...
A system which really hurt Garrus's feelings.

Which I get the impression is why he goes Merc.  Because the system doesn't work to the standard he hopes.

He killed all kinds of mercs while on Omega, some from the shadows.  And even on his loyalty quest he kills the unarmed guy (forget his name) who was unarmed, with your help, at the time with Garrus' sniper rifle.  And you are specifically the bait that enables it.  Does that make Garrus now a mass murder and shoot him out the airlock?  And Shepard too for enabling it?

[Wild Still]

nicodeemus327 wrote...


You clearly don't know what flawed means. This sentence embodies the very definition of flawed. A flaw is a defect or shortcoming. The fact that you have to feed him a feel good cookie just so he can do his job makes him flawed. If he wasn't flawed he'd continue to be a perfect machine of death regardless of any emotional bull****. He’d be able to deal with it on his own and become completely boring. Typically people who do that are called Mary Sues.

Flawed writing maybe, Thane came out of a postage meter with the rest of the form letters that became repentant assassins in video games. Unless this is the only exposure to media you've ever experienced, in which case sad-faced assassin with a case of the sadness is probably a new and amazing plot device in your world.

He even has massive, sad, puppy dog eyes that make me want to slap the green of his face.

Love his voice acting though, some of the best. So good I even kept talking to him in spite of my vitriol.

[Mavkiel]

tonnactus wrote...

But no one has a problem with the first person.I find that really interesting.Do people really think he only killed bad guys??
Naive.His son wanted to start a career to kill a innocent turian....

Normal people tend to not have folks dislike them enough to hire an assasin to kill them. So I doubt very many (if any) were angels. Also, Mornith targeted folks whom most folks would consider innocent, for her own pleasure. Thane on the other hand as he put it was simply a weapon.

Also, your innocent turian was involved in racist(anti-human) poltics when he wasnt having his Krogan minions shake down innocent shops for cash. Hardly what I would consider innocent.

[noobzor99]

Have you looked at the squad we have put together?\\



Garrus- Cop turned hardcore vigilante. Has been killing mercs for almost 2 years.



Jack- your recruitment mission is breaking her out of a high security prison. I think that says enough.



Samara- led by a very strict code.



Thane- assassin. IIRC his race view the mind and body to be extremely separate, so that they do not consider their actions totally their fault (or something... that was a wierd convo )



Jacob and Miranda- part of a pro-human extemist group. You can spend a significant amount of time in the first game killing said group's members for their actions.



Mordin- part of a team responsible for the genophage. Sure it may be a necessary evil, but then so are assassins.

[Oskala]

To quote Grosse Point Blank



"No, no, no, a psychopath kills for no reason. I kill for money. It's a job."



As a matter of fact... People should just watch that movie and think about Thane v Morinth.



Dexter would also be a good point of comparison. As would Natural Born Killers.

[MutantSpleen]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

It is religious.  Did you not notice how she says "May you find peace in the Goddess" everytime she whacked someone. The asari cop equated them with warrior-monks

Plus if you hear about Samara from Morinth you learn Samara was a crazy-ass religious zealot that expected her children to be perfect even before she became a Justicar.

Nein.
The Asari as a species believe in the godess. The Justicar code itself has nothing to do with religion. Samara believes in the godess, but no more than the average Asari. She is not a zealot, simply the Asari equivelant of a Knight Errant.

Just checking back in to stir the pot.

No this is incorrect.  Siari is the major religion of the Asari. Its a belief that all life in the universe is joined as one conciousness. The Goddess is Athame, who is one of the old religions of the Asari that are dying out. She sounds like she is possibly a moon goddess as she goes through cycles which mimic the cycles of of Asari life. Maiden, Matron, Matriarch.

So she believes in an old religion not widely worshipped by the majority of asari. Interesting enough Liara also seems to follow Athame.

Samara also claims that the justicar's code is over 5000 sutras in length, and
literally spells out what a justicar's conduct should be in every
possible situation. Also, every justicar is required to know the entire
code by heart.

Sutras are another name for scriptures.

So we have a warrior-monk who happens to worship one of the old religions and follows a code or scripture that tells her how to behave in every situation and has it memorized by heart.

No she is definitely not a zealot. <_<

I am not denying that Morinth is a murderous sex-vampire, but don't deny her mother is a religious zealot.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 19 février 2010 - 11:00 .

[Maj.Pain007]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Which one's the better VA, Maj?

Thane.

I will never choose Morinth her voice is very annoying to me.

[AtreiyaN7]

tonnactus wrote...

But no one has a problem with the first person.I find that really interesting.Do people really think he only killed bad guys??
Naive.His son wanted to start a career to kill a innocent turian....

Clearly the OP likes to make inaccurate statements. If you're going to try starting some silly thread, perhaps you should get your facts straight first. That turian political candidate was not innocent. In fact, he was shaking people down to get money from them, something you clearly watch firsthand during Thane's loyalty mission. This "innocent turian" was scum and committed criminal acts while on his little gladhanding tour to get votes. Oh, and Thane worked for the Hanar, he didn't go randomly killing people for fun or pleasure. It sounds like most of the people he received orders to kill were pretty scummy. Morinth, however, did kill purely for pleasure and power.

[Zulmoka531]

Barquiel wrote...

Well, at least Morinths victims die happy...

Thane's victims could die happy as well, if they gave him a lick before he finished them off >.>