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[Qareen]

I apologise if this is being discussed in another thread, but I've been wondering about the issue of crew members in Mass Effect 2 appearing in Mass Effect 3.

Bioware did an incredible job of making a crew of characters who were each different and likeable in their own ways. Many people, clearly, have also grown emotionally attatched to some of these characters, with the romance subplots making up a large part of that. Frankly, I believe that the depth and creativilty injected into the characters is what makes ME2 stand out the way it does.

However, the simple fact that any one of the characters can die, while adding significant weight to the final mission, surely means that not one of them can return in Mass Effect 3 as primary characters. At the most I'd imagine that some of them will show up in small secondary roles, like Wrex, or just have cameo appearances, like Liara and Ashley/Kaiden. In my case, where all my crew survived, I want to fight with them again. And whereas there was the satisfying inclusion of Garrus and Tali, characters who couldn't die in ME1, to the main crew in ME2, i don't see how there can be anything similar in ME3, since different players will have different surviving characters.

So I wonder; has Bioware planned this all out intricately, with a new set of characters in the finale and the old characters skillfully woven into the backdrop? or have they messed themselves up by making all the characters kill-able, and have to make a whole new roster of crew members for ME3? or will they just ignore their own rules and use the main ME2 crew again, regardless of whether they survived or not? and also, will there be a conclusion to the romances, such as a large payoff to anyone who stayed loyal to their ME1 or ME2 flings?

I'm inclined to believe that many of us will be dissapointed.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

One of my biggest disappointments in ME2 was how the majority of the original crew was treated. Wrex was the only one who had a cameo that actually felt like any care and attention had gone into it. The only silver lining in all this was the devs claim that "its so they are a part of ME3".

Im of a mixed mind on this. I had characters I liked in ME2, but none that I really cared about that much, not even Tali and Garrus due to having next to no dialogue. Part of me thinks that its just a case of tough ******. Its a suicide mission, not everyone will keep them all alive, and their role in ME3 needs to reflect that.

However, I can also appreciate that some of these characters did actually mean something to some players. Hopefully Bioware will make them optional squadmates in ME3 or something, since some definitely do deserve to have a second game in the spotlight, even if I dont personally care that much about it myself.

Bottom line for me though is simply that none of the ME2 squad are a concern for me in terms of being squadmates come ME3. I leave that to other folks. Im more interested in the ones who were left out of ME2 (mainly the LIs), and just how "important" the role that they have been "saved for" in ME3 turns out to be.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 19 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[SL22]

Bioware aren't focusing on graphical improvements which will give them more time to work on all the possible outcomes that can lead to Mass Effect 3, they'll sort it out.

Personally I think Mass Effect 3 shouldn't have a default setting for newer players, why would anyone start the Mass Effect series with the third and final game? You've missed out on pretty much the whole story if you do that. You should only be able to play Mass Effect 3 if you have a Mass Effect 2 save IMO.

[PingoBlack]

I'd say the players that didn't try to keep most of the crew alive shot themselves in the foot.



Like starting ME2 without a good import from ME1, you will end up with less of a game in ME3. There will be characters and script that will never activate. Assignments not available. Stuff like that.

[Corporal Quarian]

Seeing as Bioware has planned to make the series a trilogy since before Mass Effect 1 was released, and seeing as how they know the MASSIVE support for Tali , and Garrus, along with so many other characters... my thought is that they wouldn't have even made it so that everyone could die in the end of ME2 if they didn't have a plan for bringing them back based on who the player had live. They know that if they just sidelined everyone, fans would be pissed off. So I don't think they would even have made it so that anyone could die unless they already had this planned out on how they bring them all (all surviving) back from the mission and into your squad.

[Gill Kaiser]

SL22 wrote...

Bioware aren't focusing on graphical improvements which will give them more time to work on all the possible outcomes that can lead to Mass Effect 3, they'll sort it out.

Personally I think Mass Effect 3 shouldn't have a default setting for newer players, why would anyone start the Mass Effect series with the third and final game? You've missed out on pretty much the whole story if you do that. You should only be able to play Mass Effect 3 if you have a Mass Effect 2 save IMO.

I disagree... the option should still exist to play the game without import, but it mustn't be allowed to affect the development process in any way. No feature or plot development should be removed because it wouldn't make sense to new players. People who start with ME3 should be treated as second-class citizens in terms of development priority.

[dou_]

They must have seen this coming. I don't know how they planned to get through the everybody dies -dilemma, but I'm sure they either have some solution ready or they're ready to do tons of extra work to make two characters for every possible recruitable just to show that they can do it. Former, I think. The Normandy could get destroyed again and some Lazarus 2.0 could be applied to Shepard, Tali and Garrus (or to all popular characters for that matter), thus rendering the question about killed teammates irrelevant.

[Talogrungi]

It's been discussed six ways from Sunday, and probably will be for the next few months.

My view of what will happen:

Bioware will establish a canon of people who survive the suicide mission for fresh ME3 games.
Some canon survivors will stay as squadmates, some will "leave" or get cameos.
If someone non-canon survives your import, they'll get cameos too.
If a canon ME3 squadmate dies in your import, you'll miss out on their story arcs in ME3.
Liara and the Virmire survivor will return as squadmates.
Several new characters will be added, to ensure a viable pool of squadmates.
No returning ME2 character will be uniquely integral to the main story plot.

Only way I can think of Bioware handling it.

[marshalleck]

Of course they've got a plan. You don't spend tons of money and labor hours just flying blind.

Edit: maybe some companies do. But Bioware has been around for a long time as far as game development studios go. They'll use whatever characters they need to tell the story they want to tell. They know where they want the trilogy to go.

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 février 2010 - 02:12 .

[Daeion]

If BioWare wants to have the series go out with a bang, then they will develop the game with the idea that every possible char is alive but have it recognize if they aren't there. Now we've already been told that they are working on new squad mates for ME3 which doesn't make me think that they plan to take the time to reward those who got everyone through the relay. I'd really prefer that they didn't introduce new characters, the 3rd act of a story is not the time to try and build new chars as the character will either be poorly developed or will take away from the development of the first 2 casts. Personally if you get your crew killed I think you should be forced to use random red shirts in ME3 because that's all your crew is to you.

[epoch_]

No. ME3 is not ME2. The bulk of the missions aren't centered around gathering up teammates and gaining their loyalty. Instead, they can focus on plot progression. All they need to do for this next game is give all the squad mates a moveset and some dialogue, and voila.



I'm pretty confident they'll all be back. Certainly all the fan favorites.

[tango jack]

Bioware would have already thought of character transition from ME2 to ME3 for sure and as I just mentioned in another thread It was probably the plan to immerse us in the current squadmates as we will be fighting alongside them in ME3.



I would also hazard a guess that planning for ME3 and all the possible plot eventualities where already well under way even before ME2 was released.

[Corporal Quarian]

tango jack wrote...

Bioware would have already thought of character transition from ME2 to ME3 for sure and as I just mentioned in another thread It was probably the plan to immerse us in the current squadmates as we will be fighting alongside them in ME3.

I would also hazard a guess that planning for ME3 and all the possible plot eventualities where already well under way even before ME2 was released.

I'd even go as far as to say that they had it planned out before cementing the suicide mission into ME2

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Since it's apparently impossible to kill everyone off, and you can't avoid having 2 squadmembers left alive... and since 2 squadmembers is all you ever take with you on missions anyways... Perhaps we'll just be stuck with the survivors in ME3.

I'd be happy with that. It's not like it's so difficult to keep everyone, or at least most people alive.

[Barquiel]

epoch_ wrote...

I'm pretty confident they'll all be back. Certainly all the fan favorites.

I don't know...

We get Oghren in DA: Awakening. I think he is not exactly a fan favorite (but hard to kill).

Modifié par Barquiel, 19 février 2010 - 02:16 .

[TheTWF]

As it is the last game, they're in the position to go all out with everything.

[Nozybidaj]

I appreciate that folks really like some of these characters and that they want them to return in ME3.  That said I think BW has already shown us how these characters will be handled in the next installment.  Look at the characters that can die in ME1 and how they were handled in ME2.

You have Wrex, squadmate in ME1 that is a non LI, can die at Virmire.  His role in ME2 is that of a NPC in which he has some specific, yet generic and not far reaching story elements tied to him if a player saved him in the previous game.  If he did not survive the previous game his role is easily replaced by a stand in.

You have Ashley/Kaidain, squadmates in ME1 and a possible LI, can die at Virmire.  Their role in ME2 is that of a NPC in which they have some specific, yet generic and not far reaching story elements tied to them that are completely interchangeable depending on which one a player saved in the previous game.  There may or may not be additional dialogue attached to them if they were also an LI.

Let's face it, BW likes to "copy/paste" where they can.  I wouldn't expect them to change something that worked for them already.  

ME2 squadmates that were not LI's I would expect to follow similar roles to Wrex where appropriate.  They may have some specific yet generic story elements attached to them, but nothing that is going to be impactful to the overall story of ME3.  Maybe Mordin's role in ME3 ties into recruiting the Salarians or the STG to fight the reapers, if he is alive you get to see him again and have a short "reunion" with him before this particular story element reverts back to the generic line that can be filled by any Salarain that is still capable of completing Shepard's mission.  Mordin's role could easily be filled in by a student or colleague of Mordin's or possibly one of the Salarains that survived Virmire in ME1, or just any generic Salarain that has "heard" of Shepard because of his association to these previous characters.

ME2 squadmates that were LI's will all serve a basic generic role in ME3 that can be interchangable amongst them.  Whoever your LI in ME2 was will appear in this role.  Aside from some romance specific dialogue it will basically be the same as a non LI ME2 retruning squadmate.

Same wil be applied to ME1 LI returns, though from what BW has indicated it seems that their ME3 role will be slightly less generic in the overall story.  

I would not expect many if any of them to return as "full" squad mates.  I would assume that once again there will be new characters introduced that will serve as your "base" squad.  That's just what BW does, introduce new characters, which more than likely will include new LI options as well, while keeping actual progression for old characters to a minimum.

[superimposed]

Mass Effect 3 won't have to worry about a 'save game transfer' which means they can add a lot more of the 'choice/consequence' from the previous games. Losing your entire squad could affect Shepard's attitude depending on alignment, for example - a Paragon shepard who lost his entire squad might start the game at a disadvantage, "unmotivated" and therefore unprepared - fewer defences and allies, while a renegade Shepard might be more reckless, deeper in to enemy territory without any allies bent on getting revenge.



One thing they do need to add is a 'history modifier' for either new games or loading ME2 saves. I don't like the idea of having ME1 choices affect ME2 options and then both affecting ME3 - far too many combinations to play the previous two games over and over to get the combinations.

[II Numero6 II]

Don't be worried all is illusion the only difference is that the suicide mission survivor will send you how are you email ?



that bioware call big decision impact .

[Nizzemancer]

I don't see a reason why their ability to die in ME2 would impact their availability in ME3 in any way beyond the whole "this character died"-thing...

[PARAGON87]

I really don't think that BioWare has shot themselves in the foot. ME3 is the finale of the Mass Effect trilogy, and they have to have some sort of send-off during this game.



If that means they are just squadmate for a short time (not like the first 20 minutes of the game ie. like Jenkins or Dr. Wilson), meaning like in intermittent parts of the game you are able to recruit Wrex or Liara into your squad to complete a certain task, I'd accept that.



Though, I have to say that it has been hinted that ME3 is the end of Shepherd's trilogy, not the end of the Mass Effect universe, so Shepherd may in fact die at the end of ME3 no matter what you do.

[Skilled Seeker]

superimposed wrote...

Mass Effect 3 won't have to worry about a 'save game transfer' which means they can add a lot more of the 'choice/consequence' from the previous games. Losing your entire squad could affect Shepard's attitude depending on alignment, for example - a Paragon shepard who lost his entire squad might start the game at a disadvantage, "unmotivated" and therefore unprepared - fewer defences and allies, while a renegade Shepard might be more reckless, deeper in to enemy territory without any allies bent on getting revenge.

One thing they do need to add is a 'history modifier' for either new games or loading ME2 saves. I don't like the idea of having ME1 choices affect ME2 options and then both affecting ME3 - far too many combinations to play the previous two games over and over to get the combinations.

Wait so basically you don't like the idea of your choices having consequences? Go play HALO.

[KujiMuji]

I'm not exactly worried by all this. I can bet that they won't pull a "Lost" and totally scramble our brains in terms of the story (Like reviving the fallen teammate from Virmire).

I'm sure they know what they are doing and our following the storylines they made.

[SmokePants]

They may very well have shot themselves in the foot. Time will tell. But there are never BIG payoffs for any choices -- only a lot of little payoffs that accumulate over your experience. So, expecting a large change in your experience whether one kept characters alive or not, is embracing ignorance. A lot of people are hoping against hope and setting themselves up to have the rug pulled out from under them.

[Keeret]

I reckon that Bioware will decide which characters they will continue as squad mates in me3 and if they died in Mass effect 2 then you can't get them, the characters that they don't decide to keep as squad mates will have cameo appearences in me3 or won't be in it at all if they didn't survive.