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[Morroian]

I Valente I wrote...

Some people get pretty carried away with the whole "every choice has to have an impact" thing.

So just create a canon ending and be upfront about it. Choices carry over if you import a character why not when you do the US?

[Feraele]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

The US ending is not ignored entirely. It's ignored from the aspect of you bring in the guy who did it, and he's back alive. But you can still have Alistair or Loghain do it and it's not ignored. Obviously I know that isn't what you're all wanting. Just saying :-p

Here's the thing...it IS the duty of any and every Grey Warden to bring down that Archdemon and kill it forever more..is it not?

That is what we as grey wardens are told our main purpose is.    So how can that be ignored and forgotten once its been accomplished?


Options:    Resurrect your dead warden, continue playing and pretend it never ever happened.

Leave your dead warden dead....no history ..no passing the torch,  start new Orlesian Grey Warden who doesn't have a clue about your sacrifice or heroism..and blindly continues on with HIS story.....

Thats basically what we have for information thus far..and we've been talking about this for nigh onto two weeks now..not only in this thread but another long one ..."playing a dead warden is BS" which is now about 32 pages long.

AND STILL NOT ONE RESPONSE ...from Bioware.    Doesn't anyone find this a bit odd?

Could be, we're touching on something that is a spoiler ...could be they already have something else planned as "canon"  could be they don't give a hoot..........

But when I see responses...from mods or devs to a post...that is a single post, about sometimes less important issues, then I look back at these Ultimate Sacrifice threads, it makes me wonder WHY we are being ignored?

[Cuthlan]

Feraele wrote...

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

The US ending is not ignored entirely. It's ignored from the aspect of you bring in the guy who did it, and he's back alive. But you can still have Alistair or Loghain do it and it's not ignored. Obviously I know that isn't what you're all wanting. Just saying :-p

Here's the thing...it IS the duty of any and every Grey Warden to bring down that Archdemon and kill it forever more..is it not?

That is what we as grey wardens are told our main purpose is.    So how can that be ignored and forgotten once its been accomplished?


Options:    Resurrect your dead warden, continue playing and pretend it never ever happened.

Leave your dead warden dead....no history ..no passing the torch,  start new Orlesian Grey Warden who doesn't have a clue about your sacrifice or heroism..and blindly continues on with HIS story.....

Thats basically what we have for information thus far..and we've been talking about this for nigh onto two weeks now..not only in this thread but another long one ..."playing a dead warden is BS" which is now about 32 pages long.

AND STILL NOT ONE RESPONSE ...from Bioware.    Doesn't anyone find this a bit odd?

Could be, we're touching on something that is a spoiler ...could be they already have something else planned as "canon"  could be they don't give a hoot..........

But when I see responses...from mods or devs to a post...that is a single post, about sometimes less important issues, then I look back at these Ultimate Sacrifice threads, it makes me wonder WHY we are being ignored?

What do you want them to say?

"Sorry 'bout your luck, kiddo"?

or...

"Oh, we didn't think this would be a problem. If your character made the sacrifice, his story is over, so we left it at that. Sorry."?

They're not going to do either, I suppose. It is what it is.

[Adam Bomb1]

I think everyone may be overreacting a bit. This is an expansion, not a sequel. Just try to enjoy it. I'm sure with all the complaining Bioware has heard that they'll definately reconsider having the US affect the sequel if they weren't planning to before. They may have put "somehow survived" in the faq page to not ruin a major part of the plot. Maybe the same kind of spirit that kept Wynne alive will keep the Warden alive so he/she can finish the job or maybe the Maker intervenes because this is clearly not a normal Blight. Whatever happens though, i'm just going to try and enjoy this expansion, US affected or not.

[BlazingSpeed]

Morroian wrote...

I Valente I wrote...

Some people get pretty carried away with the whole "every choice has to have an impact" thing.

So just create a canon ending and be upfront about it. Choices carry over if you import a character why not when you do the US?

So this issue still going on huh? I gotta agree with this post even though it seemed like the dark promise senario would be the canon ending from the start. But seeing how awakening is an expansion and not DA2 I don't see why the US ending senario wasn't even considered in the making of the expansion.

As for Bioware not mentioning if the US ending can be imported into the expansion (they've addressed every single other issue...) the only reason that I can come up with at this late date is that it's a surprise (good or bad...) and Bioware just doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag either way.

I noticed that the few reviewers that got a hold of the expansion early didn't mention the US ending at all either.

[Feraele]

Cuthlan wrote...

Feraele wrote...

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

The US ending is not ignored entirely. It's ignored from the aspect of you bring in the guy who did it, and he's back alive. But you can still have Alistair or Loghain do it and it's not ignored. Obviously I know that isn't what you're all wanting. Just saying :-p

Here's the thing...it IS the duty of any and every Grey Warden to bring down that Archdemon and kill it forever more..is it not?

That is what we as grey wardens are told our main purpose is.    So how can that be ignored and forgotten once its been accomplished?


Options:    Resurrect your dead warden, continue playing and pretend it never ever happened.

Leave your dead warden dead....no history ..no passing the torch,  start new Orlesian Grey Warden who doesn't have a clue about your sacrifice or heroism..and blindly continues on with HIS story.....

Thats basically what we have for information thus far..and we've been talking about this for nigh onto two weeks now..not only in this thread but another long one ..."playing a dead warden is BS" which is now about 32 pages long.

AND STILL NOT ONE RESPONSE ...from Bioware.    Doesn't anyone find this a bit odd?

Could be, we're touching on something that is a spoiler ...could be they already have something else planned as "canon"  could be they don't give a hoot..........

But when I see responses...from mods or devs to a post...that is a single post, about sometimes less important issues, then I look back at these Ultimate Sacrifice threads, it makes me wonder WHY we are being ignored?

What do you want them to say?

"Sorry 'bout your luck, kiddo"?

or...

"Oh, we didn't think this would be a problem. If your character made the sacrifice, his story is over, so we left it at that. Sorry."?

They're not going to do either, I suppose. It is what it is.

The most likely response in the choices you have given me..is "Oh we didn't think this would be a problem".    Which means short-sightedness on their part.

[Jaulen]

I don't understand how using the save from your Warden US ending and starting Awakenings as the Orlesian Warden would cause a programming issue or make it any more unwieldly.



I also think it sucks that the choices I made, epilogue I got for my PC US ending will either be ignored, or he's back alive.....

[KnightofPhoenix]

I do agree that Bioware's complete silence on this issue is slightly annoying. They should provide an explanation and tell us what this "default" version is, that way we are sure that complaining about it would be pointless.

[Feraele]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I do agree that Bioware's complete silence on this issue is slightly annoying. They should provide an explanation and tell us what this "default" version is, that way we are sure that complaining about it would be pointless.

Yep ..clarification would be a good thing.

[avatarx21]

Outside of who is King/Queen, I can't think of any decisions that need to be imported from an US save (of course, I don't know the full story yet and I'm avoiding previews so...)

[KnightofPhoenix]

avatarx21 wrote...

Outside of who is King/Queen, I can't think of any decisions that need to be imported from an US save (of course, I don't know the full story yet and I'm avoiding previews so...)

Other than who is King / Queen and the fate of Loghain, both of which are not to be taken lightly.
The obvious hole the game will have is the lack of info about the Warden who saved this sorry excuse of a land. 

How will they even refer to the Warden?
"Yea the Warden saved our lives, but we don't know the Warden's gender, race and background, even though he or she died just a few months ago". Yes that sounds fun. 
In fact, how are they going to refer to him / her? If they say "him", they exclude the possibility that the Warden is a female (sexism alter), thus annoying at least half the community (and when females are annoyed, they are annoyed, just look at Freckles ). If they say "she", then the image of the muscular dashing man saving the day that is imprinted in our brains is suddenly shattered.
And if they say "it", then that obviously refers to elves, so humans and dwarves are excluded, which would suck.

So, either they create a "canon" Warden, which would be highly annoying. Or they don't make any references to the person who saved the world, which would suck equally. 

 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 mars 2010 - 12:17 .

[avatarx21]

They'll probably say "Since the Grey Wardens saved us from the Blight blah blah blah...." I doubt they'd mention race, sex etc at all. The fate of Loghain doesn't really need to be brought up either. I think it'd be nice if the things you mentioned were acknowledged, but I can see where they could easily be avoided too. The focus is on the new adventure after all, and not the choices that were previously made (unlike ME2....where the choices you made in ME1 carried over in such substantial fashion....NOT! Helena Blake anyone? "Hello Commander Sherpard, how are you? I'm still a criminal. Wonderful to see you again.")

Modifié par avatarx21, 03 mars 2010 - 12:29 .

[Feraele]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I do agree that Bioware's complete silence on this issue is slightly annoying. They should provide an explanation and tell us what this "default" version is, that way we are sure that complaining about it would be pointless.

Another thought crossed my mind, in regards to what you stated in this post.  

Okay I am ...."thinking optimistically"  here, and what I am thinking refers back to one of my speculation theories re:  spoilers.    Is it possible that Bioware has a surprise in store.....maybe.   It's been 17 days since Maria first posted about this whole thing, and I am wondering if..in that time space, there was time to do anything about the US ending..prior to "going gold".  

Silence continues, but what is the reason for the silence. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

avatarx21 wrote...

They'll probably say "Since the Grey Wardens saved us from the Blight blah blah blah...." I doubt they'd mention race, sex etc at all. The fate of Loghain doesn't really need to be brought up either. I think it'd be nice if the things you mentioned were acknowledged, but I can see where they could easily be avoided too. The focus is on the new adventure after all, and not the choices that were previously made (unlike ME2....where the choices you made in ME1 carried over in such substantial fashion....NOT! Helena Blake anyone? "Hello Commander Sherpard, how are you? I'm still a criminal. Wonderful to see you again.")

Loghain will be making a cameo if he is spared, so yes it is important.

So in Origins, we get to know the name, race and gender of the Warden who defeated the blight 400 years ago, but in Awakening, we have no idea who defeated the blight a couple of months ago?
That sounds stupid beyond belief.
Yea sure they can avoid talking about it. It doesn't mean they should. 

[avatarx21]

"So in Origins, we get to know the name, race and gender of the Warden who defeated the blight 400 years ago, but in Awakening, we have no idea who defeated the blight a couple of months ago?"



But since it's voice acted a mention of the Warden's name isn't happening. Like I said, I agree with you that it'd be nice if these things are acknowledged, but I don't think it's something to get riled up over.

[KnightofPhoenix]

avatarx21 wrote...

"So in Origins, we get to know the name, race and gender of the Warden who defeated the blight 400 years ago, but in Awakening, we have no idea who defeated the blight a couple of months ago?"

But since it's voice acted a mention of the Warden's name isn't happening. Like I said, I agree with you that it'd be nice if these things are acknowledged, but I don't think it's something to get riled up over.

The name doesn't matter, although they can always refer to the last name, which we don't get to pick (like Cousland, or Aeducan). The origin, race and gender does.
You might not think so, I do. It ruins any sort of immersion we might have in the game, if one picked the US ending. And it just makes 0 sense.
And why did Bioware decide to do this? We stil don't know. Because techically it's not difficult. They said they were going to do it. And yet, now they aren't, for no apparent reason.

I am going to buy it, but I am going to remain pissed off about it (and the US is not my "main" ending).  

[Murphys_Law]

Lord_Darkmoon wrote...

Obviously the ultimate sacrifice ending of DAO will be ignored by future Dragon Age games, like in Awakening.
But then, why give us this choice in the first place? If you want to create a canon ending, why didn't you just leave out the ultimate sacrifice?
If you had the warden reject Morrigans offer only to have a bad dream about her an him having sex and after killing the Archdemon realize that something went wrong when the warden survives, everything would have been ok.
We would have the same set-up: Warden alive, Morrigan pregnant with evil god child.

But by giving us the US-ending and not supporting it in the future we feel a bit cheated. This is very disappointing.

The US ending doesn't have support because it most likely is not worth the time and money to put an explanation.  Sorry, but Bioware isnt going to throw together a black screen with scrolling text to tell you what happened, you have to make it up in your own mind.  Bioware would want to do the US story line well and that requires a lot of effort.  It would have to mentioned quite a few times by characters, possible monuments, companions would act differently etc.  This amount of effort coupled with the fact that Bioware figures most people would not want to kill their character off means we get the solution they have given us.  Just allowing the character to not be playable is not a realistic goal because it would frustrate a lot of players and maybe cause them to not buy the expansion (does anyone really want to replay through and have the god child?).

[wwwwowwww]

sorry but you all cry to much about something that all in all really makes no difference. It's a game for christs sake. It's been touched on and answered by DEVS many times already, problem is most everyone doesn't want to hear it, but instead claims they are being ignored. So let me say it once again. EA sets the budget and timeline, Bioware does the best they can with what they have to make a great game for everyone, unfortunately they are not given enough money nor time to create storylines to encompass all possible endings of Origins, if they focused soley on that there would be nothing left to develop the rest of Awakenings.

[Mirthadrond]

I don't see what all the fuss is about??



This is an expansion, taking place in another realm that's a thousand miles away from Ferelden.

They don't have "DragonTube" and "Highspeed Carrier Pigeons", to keep up on events that far away.



This story is taking place shortly after the events in Origins.

At the end of this new chapter "awakenings", the blight still isn't over. The adventure will continue.



Very little of what you're character did in "Origins" will matter to what is happening in "Awakening".

Other than do people recognize you, know of you, or not.

Either you're an imported 'known' warden, or your an unknown warden.



The choice is yours. If you want to resurrect your dead toon, YOU are the one suspending belief and changing 'your' story. Not Bioware.

As they put it: "If your ok with it, they are ok with it."



Everything happening in Awakening is disconnected from the events of Origins, except 'Blight and Grey Wardens".



Other than minor appearances from Wade the King/Queen of Ferelden and a major appearance of Oghran.

Again - do they know you, or don't they?



It's safe to presume that 'somehow' when your game is starting, the game will learn one way or another, who is supposed to be King / Queen, and 'if' people know who you are.

According to your choices.



Other than 'those' choices, nothing else will likely matter to your current adventure.



Nobody knows that you slaughtered a band of Dalish, south of Denirim. Or Murdock the mayor of Redcliff is dead, or still alive for that matter.

[Feraele]

Mirthadrond wrote...

I don't see what all the fuss is about??

This is an expansion, taking place in another realm that's a thousand miles away from Ferelden.
They don't have "DragonTube" and "Highspeed Carrier Pigeons", to keep up on events that far away.

This story is taking place shortly after the events in Origins.
At the end of this new chapter "awakenings", the blight still isn't over. The adventure will continue.

Very little of what you're character did in "Origins" will matter to what is happening in "Awakening".
Other than do people recognize you, know of you, or not.
Either you're an imported 'known' warden, or your an unknown warden.

The choice is yours. If you want to resurrect your dead toon, YOU are the one suspending belief and changing 'your' story. Not Bioware.
As they put it: "If your ok with it, they are ok with it."

Everything happening in Awakening is disconnected from the events of Origins, except 'Blight and Grey Wardens".

Other than minor appearances from Wade the King/Queen of Ferelden and a major appearance of Oghran.
Again - do they know you, or don't they?

It's safe to presume that 'somehow' when your game is starting, the game will learn one way or another, who is supposed to be King / Queen, and 'if' people know who you are.
According to your choices.

Other than 'those' choices, nothing else will likely matter to your current adventure.

Nobody knows that you slaughtered a band of Dalish, south of Denirim. Or Murdock the mayor of Redcliff is dead, or still alive for that matter.

Its not a thousand miles away...from where Origins happened.   Weisshaupt fortress is "supposed" to be a thousand miles away yes...

We were told ..about a month ago, that our choices/decisions would carry over to the expac.    Therefore  the MAJOR decisions would follow through..we aren't talking about the mayor of Redcliffe at all.

[Feraele]

Murphys_Law wrote...

Lord_Darkmoon wrote...

Obviously the ultimate sacrifice ending of DAO will be ignored by future Dragon Age games, like in Awakening.
But then, why give us this choice in the first place? If you want to create a canon ending, why didn't you just leave out the ultimate sacrifice?
If you had the warden reject Morrigans offer only to have a bad dream about her an him having sex and after killing the Archdemon realize that something went wrong when the warden survives, everything would have been ok.
We would have the same set-up: Warden alive, Morrigan pregnant with evil god child.

But by giving us the US-ending and not supporting it in the future we feel a bit cheated. This is very disappointing.

The US ending doesn't have support because it most likely is not worth the time and money to put an explanation.  Sorry, but Bioware isnt going to throw together a black screen with scrolling text to tell you what happened, you have to make it up in your own mind.  Bioware would want to do the US story line well and that requires a lot of effort.  It would have to mentioned quite a few times by characters, possible monuments, companions would act differently etc.  This amount of effort coupled with the fact that Bioware figures most people would not want to kill their character off means we get the solution they have given us.  Just allowing the character to not be playable is not a realistic goal because it would frustrate a lot of players and maybe cause them to not buy the expansion (does anyone really want to replay through and have the god child?).

And here we go again.......it was stated in the original thread announcing the Awakening expac, that our choices/decisions would carry over into the expac.     By those I am sure they mention the story changing or world changing facts, such as who was king/queen..etc.

But here we have the only story line that doesn't carry over,   the Ultimate Sacrifice.

Think about it..kind of like a news story.   Most large events in the world get reported on, people know for instance, that there was a tsunami that hit after the earthquakes in Chile.

Logical continuation.     When you die, even in real life, there is information that is passed on ..or shared about that event. 

Same thing with any movie, or novel I have read.    If the person happens to be important to the scheme of things, the news or information...is passed on to those it affects or those that care about it.

[T1l]

From the first day that Awakening was announced, I always just assumed that the Orlesian Warden was there to fill in the gap of another character for those of us who had killed themselves off in Origins. So, we'd import our character file end game state - our character is dead, he or she has done the ultimate sacrifice; you start Awakening as the Orlesian Warden, but the world remembers your first characters heroic deeds.

...Christ this is disappointing. Don't get me wrong, I'll still get Awakening because I love Dragon Age and have a great deal of respect for the developers and writers at Bioware - but that oversight really is more disappointing than I can express in words.

[WilliamShatner]

grieferbastard wrote...

So you can import your dead warden - some people have a PC who died they'd like to see continue. They left that option open - awesome sauce.

People intentionally killed off their character so they could continue that character in future games?  They don't sound like the brightest bunch tbh.

[WilliamShatner]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

The US ending is not ignored entirely. It's ignored from the aspect of you bring in the guy who did it, and he's back alive. But you can still have Alistair or Loghain do it and it's not ignored. Obviously I know that isn't what you're all wanting. Just saying :-p

Right so it isn't ignored entirely... just THE MAIN ASPECT of it.