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[Axekix]

Feraele wrote...

Axekix wrote...

The Human Noble Male story is the best one anyway. It's good that that's the one they're going with.

"Ultimate Sacrifice" makes it kind of hard to expand upon the game afterwards, so just play the game the right way and accept the non-canon endings as just that.

Well that kind of eliminates the Female Human Noble doesn't it?    There are two genders you know. *smile*

Yes, but HNF can't make god babies with Morrigan.

In all of the trailers and promotional videos the warden was male.  So most likely HNM is the canon.

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Here's a thought. If they offer some sort of US in Awakening. How many of you will bother with it now? :-p

[Feraele]

Ildaron wrote...

It is a legitimate ending..if it wasn't..it wouldn't exist..it wouldn't have been written in...now would it?

It IS the most heroic ending..and it fulfills the fact that a Grey Warden is SUPPOSED to die..killing the Archdemon, to prevent the Archdemon soul passing to another darkspawn......and therefore remaining immortal.

Wardens are not supposed to take sides in politics, however they have. Wardens are not supposed to use blood magic to expeirment on other wardens and live for a few extra hundred years, yet one of them has done so. The only thing Wardens really do is make sure the blight is stopped at any means... oh wait Aliister will quit if you push him to far as well. I guess a Warden will do whatever they choose to do.

Nowhere does it state that Wardens can't use blood magic, matter of fact they use what it takes to win..the battle.

That Avernus did that..was of course despicable, but you have choices as to whether you let him live, kick him out of the Wardens or kill him after the keep is cleared from demons etc.

I have done all three..and noone in the Wardens would sanction sacrificing their brothers and sisters to further "research".

Sometimes Wardens are forced into the "taking sides" position....our current Wardens are in that position right now, they have to help decide political sides in Orzammar ..they have to help decide politics in Denerim,  or they can't get their treaties fulfilled..its a deal they have to make in order to do the ultimate thing..and that is get help defeating the Archdemon,  who endangers every living being in Ferelden.

So they do what is necessary...to save the land. 

[Feraele]

Axekix wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Axekix wrote...

The Human Noble Male story is the best one anyway. It's good that that's the one they're going with.

"Ultimate Sacrifice" makes it kind of hard to expand upon the game afterwards, so just play the game the right way and accept the non-canon endings as just that.

Well that kind of eliminates the Female Human Noble doesn't it?    There are two genders you know. *smile*

Yes, but HNF can't make god babies with Morrigan.

In all of the trailers and promotional videos the warden was male.  So most likely HNM is the canon.

But...Alistair can.....so being that he and she are in love,  she's still a good choice.   And I would hesitate to run around announcing what is canon before anyone official...(with a blue bioware tag) states what is what with that.

[Feraele]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Here's a thought. If they offer some sort of US in Awakening. How many of you will bother with it now? :-p

Well if its going to have the same effect...ie: nothing..doesn't exist, never happened,  I probably won't.

[Axekix]

Feraele wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Axekix wrote...

The Human Noble Male story is the best one anyway. It's good that that's the one they're going with.

"Ultimate Sacrifice" makes it kind of hard to expand upon the game afterwards, so just play the game the right way and accept the non-canon endings as just that.

Well that kind of eliminates the Female Human Noble doesn't it?    There are two genders you know. *smile*

Yes, but HNF can't make god babies with Morrigan.

In all of the trailers and promotional videos the warden was male.  So most likely HNM is the canon.

But...Alistair can.....so being that he and she are in love,  she's still a good choice.   And I would hesitate to run around announcing what is canon before anyone official...(with a blue bioware tag) states what is what with that.

Yeah but that's way more contrived than the HNM way of doing it.  And still, all the trailers all show HNM, which honestly fits the DAO storyline best. 

Who knows, maybe DA2 will have a female lead.

[Feraele]

Axekix wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Axekix wrote...

The Human Noble Male story is the best one anyway. It's good that that's the one they're going with.

"Ultimate Sacrifice" makes it kind of hard to expand upon the game afterwards, so just play the game the right way and accept the non-canon endings as just that.

Well that kind of eliminates the Female Human Noble doesn't it?    There are two genders you know. *smile*

Yes, but HNF can't make god babies with Morrigan.

In all of the trailers and promotional videos the warden was male.  So most likely HNM is the canon.

But...Alistair can.....so being that he and she are in love,  she's still a good choice.   And I would hesitate to run around announcing what is canon before anyone official...(with a blue bioware tag) states what is what with that.

Yeah but that's way more contrived than the HNM way of doing it.  And still, all the trailers all show HNM, which honestly fits the DAO storyline best. 

Who knows, maybe DA2 will have a female lead.

Ah yes..its a man's world...us females should just get lost...yep.

[AntiChri5]

Why do some guys insist that the lead is male whenever there is a choice?

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Well can you ever fully trust again that if there is an US option included will it matter?

[Rama_88]

Also another thing. In my US ending Oghren was named a General and named his first kid after me, so Oghren is one of my favourite characters and i loved to hear that he would be back in Awakening but now it seems that the Oghren in Awakening wont be the Oghren of my game =/

[Axekix]

Feraele wrote...

Ah yes..its a man's world...us females should just get lost...yep.

That would be a rather boring world I think

I'm totally not sexist btw!  Bioware are the ones that make the PC male in all the commercials/trailers/CG movies.  And the god baby storyline is probably going to be a major event.  Even though you can technically get it in HNF, having Alistair do it is just... nasty.

[Vicious]

Yeah, Bioware's PC is a HNM with dark hair and a tattoo on his face, i.e. the sacred ashes guy. Bioware always gives choices, but does not always support them. That's their track record, and I think asking for otherwise would be foolish, unless it's Mass Effect which was set as a trilogy from day 1 [unlike DAO which got greenlit for a DA2 only due to its success from what i've read]

[Feraele]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Well can you ever fully trust again that if there is an US option included will it matter?

Nope...seeing whats "seems" to be the result of the Origins US option,  I won't be trusting them on this one..til they prove that being a hero and dying for your country... actually means something.

[Axekix]

The game is meant to continue, they even said they have a 2 year plan of expanded content. I don't know why anyone would think US would be the canon ending tbh.

[fthg42]

Axekix wrote...

The game is meant to continue, they even said they have a 2 year plan of expanded content. I don't know why anyone would think US would be the canon ending tbh.

Had to chip in regarding canon, which I see continuously brought up in these threads, though I think it somewhat beside the point.

It's not an issue of canon, it's an issue of continuity.  As of yet there is no established canon within DA (and I don't consider the Warden featured in preview screenshots or the Trailer Warden as the "canonical Warden" - this is just the marketing face of Dragon Age, much like default male Shepard is the marketing face for Mass Effect).  The different origins, not to mention the name of the game itself, point to that: the Warden is whatever your character is in your story, as opposed to being That Human Male Noble With The Facial Tattoo Who Saved the This and Ritualed the That, etc., Despite What You May or May Not Have Done In Your Playthrough, for example.  I mean, that's essentially what a canonical Warden would turn out to be, right?

Furthermore, Awakening allows your story, your playthrough, to continue, regardless of what canon may or may not be.  We know definitively that you can import three endings (DP/DR, WC, uh...R?) from Origins intact and continue that story and that world throughout Awakening.

That leaves the problem of US.  Sure, your Warden dies (unless you hand-wave), so of course it wouldn't make sense to continue as that Warden.  But as many have pointed out before, the story and world that you the player have crafted shouldn't die along with your player character from Origins.  That you are able to continue your game throughout the series with the other three endings, and (insofar as we know) unable to continue with the US ending intact, is perplexing (and aggravating, imo).

This argues that there is no canonical ending from Origins, at least not as far as Awakening is concerned, because three of those endings are possible for Awakening (and, presumably, for future DLC/expansions).  I don't agree that you can call US a not-canon ending in light of the other endings being "valid".  Again, the issue is one of continuity regarding the US ending, where the other endings enjoy (relatively) unbroken continuity, while the US ending is shafted.

Modifié par fthg42, 04 mars 2010 - 05:12 .

[grieferbastard]

I'd play through the US ending irregardless - it's an ending of a particular characters story, I can always make a new character. I've played through different characters a few times. I'll probably play a couple through Awakenings as well as an Orlesian Warden game just to see how they're different. I can appreciate how frustrating it must be to have a favorite character that you sent to their deaths in a story and find that the results of their sacrifice won't be represented in a particular expansion the way some other choices will be.



Yet I've got to wonder, how much right do we have to demand that BioWare make certain they support every possible thing that could have happened in the first game in every expansion and update? How realistic is that? I'm pleased and impressed that it's going to cover as much as it is. It's also broadening a whole bunch of gameplay, from spells to skills to items to Darkspawn history to additional gameworld culture and depth.



In Mass Effect if I make a mistake before the end of the game and my character dies, I don't get to finish the game with one of my crew and then import the crewman into ME2 to continue with the choices of my first PC. In DA:O if you die, you generally need to reload from a point where you didn't die if you want to continue the game. This isn't new. Maybe it's just me but I confess that while I can appreciate where this would feel frustrating to someone who was completely invested in one character and their US ending, the game has so much depth for different characters (different Origins) having their own game experiences, some taking them very different directions than others.

[Vicious]

I think Mass Effect and the promises of that game really spoiled some people, who come to expect constant continuity since it can be pulled off.



That said, David Gaider indicates that it was certainly the idea to support the US ending, but it just wasn't feasable in the end. Hey, at least they told us beforehand.

[BoomOpCT]

I think there are two notable things to think about:



1. Oghren: Since he is a confirmed party member...i can pretty much garuntee US decisions aren't being imported. Think about it. Ohgren would have to have dialouge to interact with a PC he knew from the war when you continue your story. He will also have to have dialouge to interact with a Orlesian made from scratch..meaning talking to the Orlesian as someone he doesn't know. Then he would have to have dialouge to react to the orlesian with different choices the US player made? And that is just ONE non-player character they'd have to do that with. Imagine writing and entire seperate script twice over for each NPC you meet in the game. Not gonna happen.



2. Not every ending is meant to continue on. A very good example is Mass Effect 2. ME is going to be a trilogy. However, you can have and "US" ending in ME2 on the suicide mission. Do you honestly think in ME3 they will write out an ENTIRELY new plot and main character to support the loss of Shepard in ME2? no, of course not. US was a noble ending never meant to continue beyond that choice.

[Onyx Jaguar]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Why do some guys insist that the lead is male whenever there is a choice?

It really should be inconsiquential, I don't get it either.

Furthermore seems to be an argument for the DR ending which to me is stupid and weakens the game.  I mean if you only play the first DA and don't play anything in the series after it DR is the easy way out, no reprucussions, no meaning.  I know to some it is a cool BG/excalibur reference but to me it just cheapens the story.

Also there is a ton of dialogue in the game each with their own tint based on gender and race I don't see the point of a canon character.  Yes lets all be Human Male Nobles next time we play this because it has more Tim Curry, and if it has more Tim Curry it must be canon

Plus on the whole US ending not being mentioned I mean it makes the whole Orlesian Warden pointless to me, why would I play as an Orlesian Warden when I can import a character that I had that survived?  I mean for curiosity maybe but other than that I'd rather spend time in the expansion with a character that I had 30+ hours of work than start from scratch with a new character and a stock story.  ME 2 defaults didn't work for me at all and I am not optimistic about the DA:OA Orlesian defaults.  It might not have that much of an impact on the overall story of the expansion but other little details will be cheap.  What if Loghain was a warden and I sacrificed my character instead?  Loghain should be at the Keep then, but I bet the default is that Loghain was executed and Alistair is King.

[Kreid]

Bioware in never going to state that "this is canon and this is not" specially in games that are about choice BUT you can see they consider MHN as their origin and class as they show it in the Blur trailers/in-game trailers, which means this is their favourite class or they simply think it's the most representative/relateable to the majority of consumers (which makes sense since the bulk of gamers are white males from 18 to 35 years old in almost any media)

That doesn't make it canon perse, but if they chose this class it might also mean they are going to make certain story choices that, while valid for all classes will provably play better as an MHN, like the Dark Ritual.

[darkmax1974]

just out of curiosity, I keep seeing people mention US ending... what is it?

[Onyx Jaguar]

darkmax1974 wrote...

just out of curiosity, I keep seeing people mention US ending... what is it?

The Ulimate Sacrifice ending, more often than not the one where the Player Character dies.

[Onyx Jaguar]

UnPlayer88 wrote...

I have yet to see where Bioware stated that they will support all major decisions throughout the Dragon Age series. Also, has it occurred to you that if you choose the Orlesian Warden you might hear about another Warden who sacrificed her/himself to kill the Archdemon? Just because the game doesn't connect all the strings for you, that doesn't mean you can't do it yourself in your head. That is where most RP takes place anyway, right? Grow up as roleplayers and realize that the world doesn't cater to your every whim. Thanks 

But isn't that the point of RPing???????????

Flexibility and customization?

I fail to see your point

EDIT: Customization of story is a very advantage of playing video games, lets not make it a disadvantage

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 04 mars 2010 - 01:23 .