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[redkev]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Well I guess according to the live chat...time was NOT taken to give any kind of credit to your Ultimate Sacrifice ...PLOT HOLE..and thats that.
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A plot hole that doesn't exist if you don't import your character. 

Oh really? What if during a US play through I make the decision to, for example,  to kill Loghain. I Then roll an Orlesian Warden (I point-blank refuse to resurrect a dead warden as I find this idea vulgar to say the least) in DAA and at some point during my OW's travels, Loghain pops out somehere and says 'hello'?. What if I made Alistair king by himself yet in DAA he is holding 'Queen' Anora's hand? This seems like a plot hole to me, of epic proportions.

You are clearly refusing to understand the concerns people have with the US ending, and I would bet on my mortgage you would be the first to cry blue murder if it was the DR ending that was being scrubbed out.

[Bryy_Miller]

redkev wrote...


You are clearly refusing to understand the concerns people have with the US ending, and I would bet on my mortgage you would be the first to cry blue murder if it was the DR ending that was being scrubbed out.

Your mortgage? Are you for real? Dude, it's just a game, calm down. Of course it's a dumb move, but honestly, they explained themselves. It's not like your indignation can change anything. It's also not like they don't understand that this is an upsetting decision. If they had more time and money I'm sure it would of been corrected.

[captininsanoo]

 I see for the possibility of awakening incorperating what ever dragonage ending you got. Its possible that if you got the ultimate sacrifice ending then you will be unable to import your old guy and be forced to start a new character. Also just because allister is shown as the king in the trailer doesn't mean that is the only option. If he wasn't the king in your game then maybe the other women will be instead. or allister ran away then later came back and claimed the throne. Who really knows.

[captininsanoo]

 also the architect could have a darkspawn necomancer revive you.

[redkev]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

redkev wrote...


You are clearly refusing to understand the concerns people have with the US ending, and I would bet on my mortgage you would be the first to cry blue murder if it was the DR ending that was being scrubbed out.

Your mortgage? Are you for real? Dude, it's just a game, calm down. Of course it's a dumb move, but honestly, they explained themselves. It's not like your indignation can change anything. It's also not like they don't understand that this is an upsetting decision. If they had more time and money I'm sure it would of been corrected.

Haha, no, it's just a figure of speech! I am calm, really! *cough*

Sorry, having re-read what I posted it does sound a bit abrupt and nasty, and I don't normally post on the forum (I was hungover this morning!), so I apologise for that. I suppose I was just a bit annoyed as to how easily this issue is being dismissed by some, however it's good to see you understand where we are coming from.

I'm just hoping Awakenings contains some stuff that makes up for it.

[master-fluff]

Clearly I owe Loghain an apology - never trust an Orelsian. That sneaky Orlesian warden steals your dead hero's life, rewrites history and completely erases them from everyone's memory. A Thedas-wide mind-blast. Jeez.

Death to all Orlesians !

Edit: In fact, I also probably owe an apology to Rendon Howe.  Those lazy-arse Couslands must be in on the scam if their precious boy is declared the 5th GW hero in my place.  Damn human nobility, forever living off the back of the workers.  Death to the Couslands !

Modifié par master-fluff, 06 mars 2010 - 01:30 .

[Greifvogel]

Well, since the US-Ending will probably not be supported afterall, there is still something US-Ending fans can hope for: Mods. Depending on how the story unfolds in the expansion, it may be possible to allow through a custom pre-epilogue questionaire for the expansion to react according to the sacrificed warden's deeds.

Without taking a look at the final product though, it's impossible to say how hard that'd be to do.

Modifié par Greifvogel, 06 mars 2010 - 01:31 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Greifvogel wrote...

Well, since the US-Ending will probably not be supported afterall, there is still something US-Ending fans can hope for: Mods. Depending on how the story unfolds in the expansion, it may be possible to allow through a custom pre-epilogue questionaire for the expansion to react according to the sacrificed warden's deeds.

Without taking a look at the final product though, it's impossible to say how hard that'd be to do.

Not even a pre-epilogue questionaire.  Save-game editors are popular, and much easier to mod for than something in-engine.  I bet you a sexy turian that save-game editors will crop up for the plot setting in Awakening based on the endgame of DA:O.  Unless BioWare pulls a jerk move and somehow finds a way to lock the settings/dialogue if you play an Orlesian warden, but that's way too much work for something that shouldn't matter that much.

As for the US ending of DA:O not being supported, it's analogous to Shepard dying at the end of ME2.  (And please, no one cry spoiler over that.)  Yes, you can do it in-game if you really want.  No, you can't import it into future games because they're meant to be continuous with a main character, and your main character's kinda, ya know, DEAD.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 06 mars 2010 - 02:05 .

[IceCreamBandit9]

if you're bothered by it, then do not import your old character - he/she died in the ultimate sacrifice.

No one is stopping you from continuing the story you played out in which your warden died, and then you use the new grey warden that will be there in awakenings.

Or, maybe i'm not understanding the issue here, but that's my take on it based on what i read here...

[Sabriana]

Yeah, mods might do it for the US people. I feel for you all, it was a major game decision, and now it's just gone.

I'll be waiting (not only because of dev decisions, there are many reasons), and I'll be eagerly following the discussions.

As for those who insist that everyone play the 'right' GW, the 'canon' GW, namely the HM, please note that the female consumer base of games is steadily rising:

According to a survey done in 2004 by the Entertainment Software Association, 25 percent of console players and 39 percent of PC game players are women. Also, 40 percent of online game players are women, these numbers however include casual games.[3] According to another study conducted by the Entertainment Software Association in 2009, 40% of the game playing population is female, and women 18 or older now comprise 34% of all gamers. Also, the percentage of women now playing online has risen to 43%, up 4% from 2004. The same study shows that 48% of game purchasers are female (Entertainment Software Association)[4]. Despite this large and growing number, many gaming companies and also many gamers fail to accept and acknowledge females as gamers and as consumers or employees in the gaming industry. In recognition of the importance of this issue, the International Game Developers Association (an association of companies and individuals in the games industry) has formed a special interest group on Women in Game Development. This is an active field of discussion and a topic in many conferences in the video gaming industry.



Source: The Entertainment Software Association - Home Page. Web. 19 Nov. 2009. http://www.theesa.com

So yeah, not a good idea to anger half your paying customers. Not good PR at all.

[MoNk3yPoX]

Feraele wrote...

Malhavoc Adhamar wrote...

...If you're going to continue with your char in Awakening then the DP-ending/WC-ending/R-ending would have happened regardless. The US-ending simply means you roll up a new warden for Awakening.

It ALSO means you can waken the dead warden and pretend he didn't die.

I just had to chime in on this one.  If you did the US ending your warden died at the end, clearly you have a problem with the expansion allowing your character to miraculously rise and walk after their heroic demise...so don't opt to do so.  It's really that simple.  If the designers of the expansion had left the option out so if you chose the US ending you were forced to reroll a char there would be exponentially more people upset than the way they have left it.  More choices = good, limiting choices = bad.  It's exactly the same philosophy that  makes DAO an awesome game to begin with.

Straight from 2.3 in the FAQ: "Essentially, if a player doesn't have a problem hand-waiving the story in this regard - neither do we."  Well, you do have a problem hand-waiving the story so you have the option to reroll - your character is dead, deal with your choices.

[Ryzaki]

...wow so much failure to get the point on this thread.

[caradoc2000]

Personally, I just won't import any of my dead characters - it wouldn't make any sense, IMO.

[izmirtheastarach]

Why is it that people assume that Dragon age must be a franchise exactly like Mass Effect? Cannot Origins simply be a self contained story? It felt so to me. Does everything need to carry through to future games? I am confused by the expectation of something more then that.

[caradoc2000]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Does everything need to carry through to future games?

It doesn't have to, but it would be nice. Considering the length of the game - you have plenty of time to develop your character (background, personality etc). I've become quite fond of my characters and I would like to be able to use them in future titles.

Modifié par caradoc2000, 06 mars 2010 - 04:22 .

[IC_MCMXCII]

this was confirmed by the dragon age team yesterday at the Xfire Q A session, I anwsered the question

[Feraele]

master-fluff wrote...

Clearly I owe Loghain an apology - never trust an Orelsian. That sneaky Orlesian warden steals your dead hero's life, rewrites history and completely erases them from everyone's memory. A Thedas-wide mind-blast. Jeez.

Death to all Orlesians !

Edit: In fact, I also probably owe an apology to Rendon Howe.  Those lazy-arse Couslands must be in on the scam if their precious boy is declared the 5th GW hero in my place.  Damn human nobility, forever living off the back of the workers.  Death to the Couslands !

Ahhh..there's the explanation I was looking for...Finally!!  hehehe

[Feraele]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Greifvogel wrote...

Well, since the US-Ending will probably not be supported afterall, there is still something US-Ending fans can hope for: Mods. Depending on how the story unfolds in the expansion, it may be possible to allow through a custom pre-epilogue questionaire for the expansion to react according to the sacrificed warden's deeds.

Without taking a look at the final product though, it's impossible to say how hard that'd be to do.

Not even a pre-epilogue questionaire.  Save-game editors are popular, and much easier to mod for than something in-engine.  I bet you a sexy turian that save-game editors will crop up for the plot setting in Awakening based on the endgame of DA:O.  Unless BioWare pulls a jerk move and somehow finds a way to lock the settings/dialogue if you play an Orlesian warden, but that's way too much work for something that shouldn't matter that much.

As for the US ending of DA:O not being supported, it's analogous to Shepard dying at the end of ME2.  (And please, no one cry spoiler over that.)  Yes, you can do it in-game if you really want.  No, you can't import it into future games because they're meant to be continuous with a main character, and your main character's kinda, ya know, DEAD.

If SOMEONE manages to find a way to "one-up" Bioware in this regard, create a small mod that..allows the Ultimate Sacrifice to be acknowledged, I'd be behind that one all the way.

As I have said before, modders can do and have done some pretty cool things for other rpgs.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for that one.

[Emerald Melios]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Also, theres no point in sacrificing alistair of logain, or doing the ritual with morrigan because u can just sacrifice urself and ur back alive in the next game with no consquecences. (im a terrible speller)

I don't know really, the Dark Ritual has some merit: Urthemiel is preserved.