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Kaidan and Jacob are not hated... they are just viewed as "boring".


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I think Jacob is awesome when playing as a ManShep. He is chill but reserved. Principled but realistic. Level headed and reliable. The kind of guy you want to have as a friend a be part of your super-awesome ass-kicking squad. He doesn't strike me as sleazy, though.

But I do agree with a couple of the points raised about Jacob as FemShep, like: Her pursuit of him seems like taking advantage of her position and forcing something onto him he doesn't want. His dialogue regarding Miranda seems if not poorly written - in terms of expressing what the writers want him to - than at the very least directed at a ManShep and not a FemShep.

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Ashley. Was happy to let her die at Virmire. I don't even like upping her weapons and armor in the game to keep her alive longer... waste of resources since I wanted her gone. And I never took her anywhere, ever, with me. I got fed up of her constant whining "I wish you had got there sooner.." Reality Check! We were only 2 people. What on earth could we have done that her squad of far more folk couldn't do against overwhelming numbers of Geth, apart from die too? Nope, I hated Ashley.


Criticizing Ashley for being emotional about Eden Prime is unfair. She lost her entire platoon - including a squad people she was responsible for. Do you know how many people are in a platoon? 30-50. She watched them all die. It's human nature to grasp for understanding, excuses, anything to come to grips with that kind of sudden, brutal horror.   Plus, she seemed to get over Eden Prime - at least to the point of not always mentioning it - after a reasonable amount of time.  Granted, it's replaced by divisive (to fans) family stories, poetry, and faith.

That being said, I like Ashley but I let her die at Virmire too.  It seems like a satisfying arc for a Williams in that it restores their family name in the eyes of those who still held her grandfather accountable for the surrender at Shanxi.  I feel like Kaidan has to do a lot more to have had an interesting story in the ME trilogy, so he lived in my game.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 août 2010 - 10:18 .


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Jacob is in a whole 'nother league compared to Kaiden and I don't even care for Jacob.

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TerribleTruth wrote...

They should have made Jacob more like the Cole Train.

LOOKIT ALL DAT JUICE


He would have been with me the whole game.

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I liked Kaidan, but I nuked him in what I now consider my canon playthrough. After much deliberation I just decided I didn't care about his romance all that much.



Jacob was perfectly fine the first few minutes of the game, but then he got annoying... And I figured out all his dialogue with fem!Shep was flirty. And the Tali thing. And the priiiiiiize.



I killed him on purpose.

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I like Jacob's character, script and voice acting better than Kaidan. I do find both characters have exceptionally inefficient skill sets. Kaidan died on normal difficulty of ME1. that is how weak he was.
Jacob is always the first of both my teammates to drop too.

this isn't like a 1 time example, this is after hours and hours of playing both games with both characters. it is my belief that people dislike the characters that are weak or not useful. if you gave them better skill sets, maybe they wouldn't be viewed as such weaklings.


If that was the case Tali should be the most hated of them all! With a butchered hack and pistols that don't work against shields she is not even good against geth anymore. Maybe this bias only effects weak men...

Her suit constantly ruptures.
She's vulnerable. I wonder what she looks like under that helmet?

I'll have you know by the way that Kaidan was my go to ally for the early stages of my uncompromising insanity playthrough (starting at lvl 1 as an engineer without special skills, no dieing, pausing or using medi-gel). Without his disables it would have been a lot harder.

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Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

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The reason Jacob is viewed as boring is because he is the most natural and normal squadmate.

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In answer to the topic, No. They're pretty much hated.



-Polite

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

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Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

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People don't like Jacob because he isn't emotion enough. He is cool, calm, and collected and that is what you want in a soldier, and why he makes a good fire-team leader.

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ReconTeam wrote...

People don't like Jacob because he isn't emotion enough. He is cool, calm, and collected and that is what you want in a soldier, and why he makes a good fire-team leader.

I do like him but I do not like the ExtremeOne :wizard:.

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Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

   




is there any time ME 2 where Jacob calls Shepard a sell out No. that punk kaiden treats Shepard as if she was suppose to be a slave to the stupid alliance and no one else. so yeah Jacob is much better than that punk from ME 1 that needs a lesson in how to respect  someone. 

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

   




is there any time ME 2 where Jacob calls Shepard a sell out No. that punk kaiden treats Shepard as if she was suppose to be a slave to the stupid alliance and no one else. so yeah Jacob is much better than that punk from ME 1 that needs a lesson in how to respect  someone. 

How so :innocent:.

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Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

   




is there any time ME 2 where Jacob calls Shepard a sell out No. that punk kaiden treats Shepard as if she was suppose to be a slave to the stupid alliance and no one else. so yeah Jacob is much better than that punk from ME 1 that needs a lesson in how to respect  someone. 

How so :innocent:.

  


I guess you can not understand my point so let me say this then Kaiden is punk for his actions on horizion. and that punk needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone . Jacob on the other hand is easy going and one that you can come and talk to anytime. If my female shepard sees that punk kaiden again she is going to beat the wholly hell out of that punk coward 

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

   




is there any time ME 2 where Jacob calls Shepard a sell out No. that punk kaiden treats Shepard as if she was suppose to be a slave to the stupid alliance and no one else. so yeah Jacob is much better than that punk from ME 1 that needs a lesson in how to respect  someone. 

How so :innocent:.

  


I guess you can not understand my point so let me say this then Kaiden is punk for his actions on horizion. and that punk needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone . Jacob on the other hand is easy going and one that you can come and talk to anytime. If my female shepard sees that punk kaiden again she is going to beat the wholly hell out of that punk coward 

Why :wizard:.

#143
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You know, the Socratic method isn't all its cracked up to be.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

You know, the Socratic method isn't all its cracked up to be.

Why :?.

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Some Geth wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You know, the Socratic method isn't all its cracked up to be.

Why :?.


/forces you to drink poison hemlock

Problem solved!

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You know, the Socratic method isn't all its cracked up to be.

Why :?.


/forces you to drink poison hemlock

Problem solved!

How so =].

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Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

   




is there any time ME 2 where Jacob calls Shepard a sell out No. that punk kaiden treats Shepard as if she was suppose to be a slave to the stupid alliance and no one else. so yeah Jacob is much better than that punk from ME 1 that needs a lesson in how to respect  someone. 

How so :innocent:.

  


I guess you can not understand my point so let me say this then Kaiden is punk for his actions on horizion. and that punk needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone . Jacob on the other hand is easy going and one that you can come and talk to anytime. If my female shepard sees that punk kaiden again she is going to beat the wholly hell out of that punk coward 

Why :wizard:.

  


simple he wants to act like a punk and talk sh*t to my female Shepard well then he will get whats coming to him. like I always say pay back is a b*tch .   

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Jacob is not boring at least he is not a punk that talks all that sh*t to Shepard unlike that punk coward kaiden.

How so :innocent:.

  



Jacob is not boring at all he is just a straight to the point type character . now some might find that boring thats fine. but that punk coward from ME 1 needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone 

How so :innocent:.

   




is there any time ME 2 where Jacob calls Shepard a sell out No. that punk kaiden treats Shepard as if she was suppose to be a slave to the stupid alliance and no one else. so yeah Jacob is much better than that punk from ME 1 that needs a lesson in how to respect  someone. 

How so :innocent:.

  


I guess you can not understand my point so let me say this then Kaiden is punk for his actions on horizion. and that punk needs a lesson in respect and how to treat someone . Jacob on the other hand is easy going and one that you can come and talk to anytime. If my female shepard sees that punk kaiden again she is going to beat the wholly hell out of that punk coward 

Why :wizard:.

  


simple he wants to act like a punk and talk sh*t to my female Shepard well then he will get whats coming to him. like I always say pay back is a b*tch .   

Why and I don't think you say that in any post I have seen :whistle:.

#149
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That's not being a punk and talking ****.

It's concern and disappointment. Thinking that people should never question you or your motives is you know, just a tad narcissistic.

Kudos to Kaidan/Ashley for you know, having their own opinions and doubts.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 août 2010 - 12:03 .


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I don't think anything ExtremeOne says has much validity to it.