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[Zan51]

Absolutely they are not the same. Jacob, as I said before, comes across as a fake person, too much the Cerberus Recruitment Poster Boy. I am waiting for him to reveal his true character... Everything about him felt forced somehow, like right from the get-go him telling me I was in a Cerberus facility and he was with them. It all felt controlled, designed to put me at my ease, as if he wasn't real, just a plot construct. Yes, I am criticizing the writing here I realize. I thought I wasn't, but I am. Everything about him is too controlled, except for his outburst at Tali and Thane when he knows his Boss told me to recruit them. Being rude so publicly to them is just not professional, and disrespects me as his FemShepard leader too. That is the only time he felt a real person to me to be honest.



And all that baggage with his father once we do his loyalty mission... no way he left that behind so quickly. He didn't deal with it at all. Even writing in that he'd had a conversation with Kelly about it would have helped.

Nopes, he is a totally different kettle of fish from Kaidan. I don't trust Jacob at all.

[J4N3_M3]

sagequeen wrote...

Um, okay, breaking in to respond to the OP:
I think that finding Kaidan and Jacob boring simply is not taking the time to get to know either character. They may not be as "flashy" as Jack or Miranda or, heck, anything with boobs or an alien face, but they are quite interesting characters.
Jacob is a puzzle to me. I do not understand how he can be such a decent guy and yet join Cerberus. Sadly, my femshep tries to hump his leg whenever I go to talk to him, so I guess I'll never find out what makes him tick.
Kaidan is, flat out, the most nuanced character in the two games imo. I have played both games multiple times and it never fails to amaze me how subtle his characterization is. At times he comes off slightly dorky, awkward, newbish, even. Other times, he comes off as this confident, sarcastic badass. it REALLY depends on how Shep talks to him and who else talks to him also. around ashely and shepard, he's a little more outspoken and confident, as evidenced by his squaddie banter. around wrex, he sounds like a dork. get mad at him about giving you advice and he gets defensive, thank him and he's nice about it. heck, you can even convince him to be a renegade. he also ask shep about how she is doing all the time
sadly, little of this comes out with maleshep or a femshep avoiding a romance. kaidan only really shows his full personality if running a romance with him. that's unfortunate for getting a large amount of popularity for him, as again, he only really seems cool if the PC seeks him out.
i understand the idea here is to say "oh, they're not bad, just boring," but really, i would suggest that you talk to the characters and run multiple builds and talk to the characters again before concluding you don't like them

and finally, just because one or two people find them boring does not mean everyone does. personally, i think ALL the ME characters are great and really want to see them back in vol. 3

as a fellow Kaidanite, I agree on that.

Regarding Jacob....I went through three different stages with that guy. First I thought he was okayish, then I just didn't mind him, in the end, I just ended up not liking him. Maybe my point of view changes once I finish my current dudeshep PT.

[VivaLaNES]

I like Kaidan, heck I love Kaiden! I think he's almost perfect. A tad dorky, but really sweet. but not a complete and total nice guy all the time. I personally don't think he's boring, rather he's the best LI in the entire series. (not knocking on Thane or Garrus)



But Jacob? Wow I could not get myself to like Jacob at all, he seemed really static and flat to me. Everything about him past the first level just got on my nerves.

[Ieldra]

Kaidan is great. Granted, it took me a very long time to appreciate him, but that's rather fitting, because he is that kind of person: careful, slow to commit and introverted. But not at all boring once you've bridged the mental barrier. He's the best of the LIs for a femShep, and I regret that I left him to die on Virmire in four of my six ME1 playthroughs.

Jacob has come to grow on me a bit as well, but not as an LI. He's allright as a team member, and has a backstory that absolutely needed to be explored in ME2 but wasn't (in favor of *yet another* family problem, as if there weren't enough of those already), but parts of his romance (admittedly not *only* on his part), particular in the first and the last scene, are so bad they make me cringe. Wasted potential, unfortunately.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 août 2010 - 07:42 .

[Lisa_H]

I really like Kaidan. He is the LI for almost all my Sheps. His romance is sweet, and I think the chemistry between him and Shep is great.



But I never cared much for Jacob as a LI or otherwise

[ExtremeOne]

Jacob is better than Kaiden

[Fiery Phoenix]

Nightwriter wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The reason Jacob is viewed as boring is because he is the most natural and normal squadmate.

I never quite know what is meant by this.

Jacob has never struck me as the "average guy" he's professed to be on the forums. When I think average guy I think... I dunno, the show Chuck, Arthur Dent, Kenneth Donnelly, Ser Jory. Even Kaidan.

Jacob's got issues up the wazoo, he's not really normal or he'd be the guy you could small talk with. The only difference with Jacob is you don't really do anything with his issues. They're just... there, and they don't change.

Yeah, well, I bet that's why he's disliked. Part of the reason, at least.

[shumworld]

I don't think Kaiden is boring, his story was rather interesting about Brain Camp and stuff. Ashley however is the boring one imo, Bio Ware writing her to be a racist against aliens is what gave her spice to her character.



Granted it took me while for Jacob to warm up to, but I'm cool with him now. My only issue with him is that he comes off as a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to Cerberus. "I don't like what Cerberus does sometimes and I don't like the Alliance, but I like what Cerberus is doing now."

[Cra5y Pineapple]

To be honest, this is kinda true. The same goes for all the human squadmates.

But...does that make me a..................racist?

[ToGVita]

I think it's kinda sad that people don't take more time to get to know the human squadmates - I'd include Kaidan, Miranda and Jack in my top 5 characters for the two games.

I don't think I've spent enough time talking to Jacob to form an opinion one way or the other, so I'll take him as my main squadmate when I run my Adept through ME2.  

Yay for the humans!