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[RighteousRage]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Jennifer Hale is one of the best voice over actors in the business if not the best. Mark Meer is not.

It's like having to choose between Johnny Depp or Paul Walker for a role. No contest.

But Johnny Depp always acts like a pixie on drugs or an insecure hipster

[The JoeMan]

Cascadus wrote...

Female Shepard. I can't say much except for the pure conviction that Hale manages to put into her voicework. I love Meer, though he just doesn't have the vocal range to fully deliver some of the more emotional parts of the game.

The JoeMan wrote...
That's not very nice.  In the future you should focus on being a nicer person.

You should focus on being less of a troll.

People are making personal attacks on me and I'm being the troll?!  Give your head a shake.

[Blackveldt]

The JoeMan wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Actually I was talking to The JoeMan specifically.  His argument was "FemShep shouldn't even exist because Shepard is a good soldier."

The argument of "men are generally stronger than women" is valid.  The statement "I think of Shepard as male because men are generally stronger and more inclined to military service" is valid.  The assertion "FemShep makes no sense because women are the smaller and weaker sex" is silly.  I'm serious; go back and read the comment.  It's that bad.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with my comment.  It's not silly or sexist.  It simply is.  You said yourself "men are generally stronger than women".  If one is stronger than the other is weaker.  The maximum physical ability of a male is greater than that of a female.  That's all I'm saying. 

For what it's worth, I could see using a femshep for an adept or engineer since they are based less on physical prowess and more on skills....

My issue is this.  If they don't give us a femshep option than we could have twice as many armour pieces, character customization options and animations.  Hell, they could even have given us a second voice option so everyone who likes to complain about Mark Meer's voice could be satisfied.

See, MY issue with that would be that there would be no female character to begin with.  I'm a female and I like to play female characters.  SHOCKER.  Unfortunately, you're spoiled in that the vast majority of games has a male lead.  Fine; I get that, seeing as the majority of gamers are indeed male.  However, wouldn't it just suck if you never got to play a male character in any of the games you liked?  Juuust...possibly?  And more armor pieces?  What?  Why would that change at all?  You do not think that--in the future--they will have created a LIGHTER, more effective and durable material or technology?  Or are you just having Troy flashbacks and think all armor must be heavy?  Technology improves.  In the 17th century, the armor was damned heavy due to the material.  Today, I don't see any military soldiers wearing big hunks of metal k.  Not to mention the whole aspect of 'Tech Armor' and the like.  The argument that the physically strong is the better died out when humans started using their brains to do the work instead.  We're not...cavemen...

Nevertheless, the most important notion is that Shepard is the hero/ine and protagonist because of one main reason:  his/her leadership.  Shepard's ability to not only lead, but instill a passion and vehement loyalty among others is the Commander's greatest quality--NOT because of mere combat ability (although it is important) and most definitely not because of brute strength.  This is why Shepard is recruiting the entire damned game--to put together a team.  Shepard isn't the most powerful biotic, so we get to recruit one.  Shepard doesn't heal the fastest or is the strongest physically; we have the Krogan for that.  Point is:  there is absolutely no reason that a female cannot command.  Especially in a future when bigotry based on gender is a rather moot point, seen simply as an archaic practice.

ME2 is a great game BECAUSE it doesn't focus on just run and gun crap.  If I wanted that, I'd buy some generic FPS.

[Cascadus]

Wow. I would shake your hand if that were possible via the internet.

[Pannamaslo]

I don't know from where people get that stupid notion that TEH BEST military leader must be physically superior. And female possibly CAN'T be a leader, becase she is smaller. Shepard is not a character that is the STRONGEST. He/She is advertised as A LEADER.

[RighteousRage]

Cascadus wrote...

Wow. I would shake your hand if that were possible via the internet.

Except it misses the point, because Joe was talking about more distinct armor pieces due to less development time spent on female armors, not wearing more armor at the same time, and there still is gender discrimination in the ME universe (as you will see when you play a female Shepard). I guess, yes, it is still plausible for Shepard to be a female. However, the OP asked whether Shepard would be a male or female as an NPC, and considering the vast amount of marketing material, the combat superiority of men, the real life and ME universe incidence of patriarchy, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's more likely that Shepard would be male. Just because it's theoretically possible for a female to command the abilities of a male doesn't mean that Shepard would be female. At best, it would imply ambiguity.

Modifié par RighteousRage, 21 février 2010 - 07:49 .

[The JoeMan]

Blackveldt wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...

archonambroseus wrote...

Actually I was talking to The JoeMan specifically.  His argument was "FemShep shouldn't even exist because Shepard is a good soldier."

The argument of "men are generally stronger than women" is valid.  The statement "I think of Shepard as male because men are generally stronger and more inclined to military service" is valid.  The assertion "FemShep makes no sense because women are the smaller and weaker sex" is silly.  I'm serious; go back and read the comment.  It's that bad.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with my comment.  It's not silly or sexist.  It simply is.  You said yourself "men are generally stronger than women".  If one is stronger than the other is weaker.  The maximum physical ability of a male is greater than that of a female.  That's all I'm saying. 

For what it's worth, I could see using a femshep for an adept or engineer since they are based less on physical prowess and more on skills....

My issue is this.  If they don't give us a femshep option than we could have twice as many armour pieces, character customization options and animations.  Hell, they could even have given us a second voice option so everyone who likes to complain about Mark Meer's voice could be satisfied.

See, MY issue with that would be that there would be no female character to begin with.  I'm a female and I like to play female characters.  SHOCKER.  Unfortunately, you're spoiled in that the vast majority of games has a male lead.  Fine; I get that, seeing as the majority of gamers are indeed male.  However, wouldn't it just suck if you never got to play a male character in any of the games you liked?  Juuust...possibly?  And more armor pieces?  What?  Why would that change at all?  You do not think that--in the future--they will have created a LIGHTER, more effective and durable material or technology?  Or are you just having Troy flashbacks and think all armor must be heavy?  Technology improves.  In the 17th century, the armor was damned heavy due to the material.  Today, I don't see any military soldiers wearing big hunks of metal k.  Not to mention the whole aspect of 'Tech Armor' and the like.  The argument that the physically strong is the better died out when humans started using their brains to do the work instead.  We're not...cavemen...

Nevertheless, the most important notion is that Shepard is the hero/ine and protagonist because of one main reason:  his/her leadership.  Shepard's ability to not only lead, but instill a passion and vehement loyalty among others is the Commander's greatest quality--NOT because of mere combat ability (although it is important) and most definitely not because of brute strength.  This is why Shepard is recruiting the entire damned game--to put together a team.  Shepard isn't the most powerful biotic, so we get to recruit one.  Shepard doesn't heal the fastest or is the strongest physically; we have the Krogan for that.  Point is:  there is absolutely no reason that a female cannot command.  Especially in a future when bigotry based on gender is a rather moot point, seen simply as an archaic practice.

ME2 is a great game BECAUSE it doesn't focus on just run and gun crap.  If I wanted that, I'd buy some generic FPS.

You know what?  You make some very valid points there.  I've always seen MY Shepard as the biggest ass kicker in the galaxie and that's why I see femsheps as weird but if his value is more in his leadership abilities than you have a point.  I can accept that.

To clarify about the armour though.  All I am saying is that with every one piece of armour in the game there have to be two models for it.  One male, one female.  If there is only a male option then we could concievably have two pieces of armour.

Anyway, like I said.  It's not going to change, I'm okay with that.  I can now see your point (thanks) but I will still think it's weird to see a femshep vanguard punching a krogan to death.

[RighteousRage]

Pannamaslo wrote...

I don't know from where people get that stupid notion that TEH BEST military leader must be physically superior. And female possibly CAN'T be a leader, becase she is smaller. Shepard is not a character that is the STRONGEST. He/She is advertised as A LEADER.

Once again, this game is not about empowering women. Yes fine, Shepard could be a woman, but are you seriously saying that it's more likely...?

[Chaos-fusion]

Hmm.. I'd go for female. But that could be my feminist tendancies wanting more strong women in leading roles.

Honestly, does it matter though? We are given a choice for a reason, and I don't give a damn if men have more physical potential.

[RighteousRage]

"Jesus, I thought you were a guy" - Neo

"Most guys do" - Trinity

[Pannamaslo]

RighteousRage wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

I don't know from where people get that stupid notion that TEH BEST military leader must be physically superior. And female possibly CAN'T be a leader, becase she is smaller. Shepard is not a character that is the STRONGEST. He/She is advertised as A LEADER.

Once again, this game is not about empowering women. Yes fine, Shepard could be a woman, but are you seriously saying that it's more likely...?

No. I am just saying that it is possible and I was refering to the post that claimed Shepard must be a men, becasue the best soldier must be a MAN. Which is not true, due to fact that ME is about being a leader and not about brute strengh.

100 years ago it was common knowledge that women can't handle politics, becasue they are emotionaly unstable.  The same case we have here: women can't be good military leaders
becasue they are weaker. People misinterpret biological facts, give them more meaning than they should and use them to justify ideological decisions.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 21 février 2010 - 08:06 .

[Blackveldt]

Actually, he specified neither as his post was rather vague. However, he does mention the importance of physical prowess as a significant factor in Shepard being a male, pointing out the EXCEPTION would be as an adept or engineer. Following this, he says, ". . . we could have twice as many armour pieces . . . " providing absolutely no context besides his aforementioned statement. Regardless, his main issue with ME2 is simply that Bioware COULD HAVE put more effort into an all-male character. They COULD HAVE spent more time developing in-game content tailored specifically for a man, but instead lent that precious time and energy toward building a female character. Oh, woe is he. Forget that I could simply say that had Bioware not created a male Shepard at all, the experience for me would have been greater due to more time spent tailoring Shepard as a female--who knows how much content that could be!--Mister Joe was simply whining about what he could have had and what he didn't. Puerile to say the least, yet I gave him more credit than was perhaps deserved when I responded to his post.



As for whether Shepard would be male or female...if Hollywood decided to make a movie of ME, then hands down, it would be male. No contest. That is the world WE live in today. It should be fairly obvious; however, in the world of Mass Effect, the results are not as clear-cut. It would be in error to equate probability with occurrence.

[RighteousRage]

Blackveldt wrote...
As for whether Shepard would be male or female...if Hollywood decided to make a movie of ME, then hands down, it would be male. No contest. That is the world WE live in today.

I am glad that you have finally seen reason

[Bigchris4747]

MALE SHEP FTW

[Pannamaslo]

Of course it would be male, since the Sheploo is a posterboy. Which does not mean that female Shepard has no place in ME universe. Which is more probable? If ME happened in 2009, than Shepard would probably be male, due to cultural reasons. In 200 years...Who knows? Nobody 200 years ago would believe in Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 21 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Blackveldt]

[/quote]


You know what?  You make some very valid points there.  I've always seen MY Shepard as the biggest ass kicker in the galaxie and that's why I see femsheps as weird but if his value is more in his leadership abilities than you have a point.  I can accept that.

To clarify about the armour though.  All I am saying is that with every one piece of armour in the game there have to be two models for it.  One male, one female.  If there is only a male option then we could concievably have two pieces of armour.

Anyway, like I said.  It's not going to change, I'm okay with that.  I can now see your point (thanks) but I will still think it's weird to see a femshep vanguard punching a krogan to death.[/quote]

Yes, but an all-male option would kind of suck for those who want to be females.  What's actually interesting, however, is that Bioware is rather revolutionizing the gaming industry in terms of gameplay and approach.  What is most obvious is the attention they have given girl gamers because yes, we do exist.  I've been playing video games for at least a decade now as a male character because I had to.  I've bought at least a hundred games in that time and only one of them had a female character as the lead.  So what happened when games started paying attention to female gamers?  When we started having the option to be a female?  I was still a male character because, in my mind, even if I was playing as an unvoiced, physically weak sorcerer (flashback to early Baldur's Gates games), the males SEEMED stronger; it had been pounded into my mind and the stereotype stuck.  So I can actually understand how it's weird to see a strong female character, but as a female, I made that effort to get 'unstuck' so-to-speak and ended up reveling in being able to not subconsciously think of my gender as weaker in any manner.

In fact, I almost consider myself 'spoiled' now because I love the option to be as much me as possible in a game that I cannot fathom playing another like Mass Effect as only male.  I like being able to connect with my character as do you.

Gosh.  I do believe this got spun a bit out of control.

[nisallik]

I actually enjoy both the VA, but for some reason I liked Fem Shep in ME1, but Male Shep in ME2. *shrug*

[Blackveldt]

RighteousRage wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...
As for whether Shepard would be male or female...if Hollywood decided to make a movie of ME, then hands down, it would be male. No contest. That is the world WE live in today.

I am glad that you have finally seen reason

Hm, rather snarky aren't we?  I indulged you in that matter.  Whether we (in today's society) would make Shepard male or female is irrelevant in the world of Mass Effect if we are to suspend our disbelief and create a believable world in such a futuristic and exhaustive setting.  Original episodes of Star Trek are coming to mind.  The era obviously had an impact on it, but we want to believe in something greater and perhaps more plausible, as was evident in the much later spin-offs.


Yes, I made a Star Trek reference.

Modifié par Blackveldt, 21 février 2010 - 08:42 .

[Blackveldt]

*sigh*  Double post that I cannot delete.

Modifié par Blackveldt, 21 février 2010 - 08:46 .

[sinosleep]

Blackveldt wrote...



I think that should answer your question! Lol. And I think Jennifer Hale did a stellar job on ME1 and ME2. Some lines DO sound forced, but for the most part...not in my opinion.

I like this one better, though at the end of the day I enjoyed them both

[King Of Assassins]

male

[Bentenjamin]

I personally dont like the female shepard voice actor not woman enough for me, shes to gruff.

[mundus66]

Anyone who uses the "men are stronger and faster than women" argument are just silly. Yes its true, but Shepard is still human which is physically or mentally inferior to many races in ME male or female. What makes him/her great is the fact that s/he is a great leader and "the savior of the citadel". Other races still looks down on humans, but not on Shepard.

[Blackveldt]

sinosleep wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...



I think that should answer your question! Lol. And I think Jennifer Hale did a stellar job on ME1 and ME2. Some lines DO sound forced, but for the most part...not in my opinion.

I like this one better, though at the end of the day I enjoyed them both

Yeah, I've seen that one too.  I just wanted to post a femShep one to showcase why I like Jennifer Hale's VA.  Both are funny.