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[addiction21]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

This is racism against AI.

You humans are all racist.

BUt we have waffles so that evens things out.

[Naltair]

But Legion is so cute.

[marshalleck]

[The Angry One]

Now remember, Geth do not infiltrate.



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Geth do not *intentionally* infiltrate.

[Cutlass Jack]

Naltair wrote...

But Legion is so cute.

I agree! But not at the time you have to make a snap decision about bringing him on board. I wouldn't have put a bullet in him, but I would have just left him there.

[Vaenier]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Naltair wrote...

But Legion is so cute.

I would have just left him there.

Remind me never to risk my life to save you.

[marshalleck]

In all seriousness, I think that scene would have worked much better had Legion actually been shown stalking you through the whole game. That would have lent much more weight to Shepard's curiosity.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Kordras wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yeah randomly deciding to bring this geth on board considering all the ones I didn't bother on made no sense to me.

Er... not really random. He helped you through the Reaper, spoke to you, is wearing N7 armor, and knew your name. I'd be pretty damn curious.

I have to admit, on my first playthrough I was intent on my Shep sending him to Cerberus (which I did eventually do) but during the IFF mission, when he made his appearance and the conversation with the 2 team-mates at the end and also the one with Miranda and Jacob, I was almost tempted to have her intrigued to go speak to him at least. But because I knew that there wasn't an option to either de-activate him again and ship him off to Cerberus or "Space it" as Jacob would say, I decided that she'd stick to sending it Cerberus.

My 2nd character was more of a paragon and more intrigued and did get Legion on team and loyal, 3rd recent playthrough, straight to cerberus but that shep is a cerberus employee now, so there was never any decision. Specially as he in love with Miranda and she said to send it back.

I've got 5 other Sheps lined up and they are going to do a mix of sending to cerberus or activating. I do agree with the original OP that there should've been the "Space it" option or an option on the reaper to say... "I don't care if it helped us, we need to get out of here now!

Edit: @Marshalleck
See I totally agree with you there, I think the issue we have is that one of the devs in one of the videos pre-launch goofed, because he gave us the idea that Legion DID do that, yet the only time we see him is on the Reaper. Be interesting to see if this is another case of cut content?

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 19 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[The Angry One]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Naltair wrote...

But Legion is so cute.

I agree! But not at the time you have to make a snap decision about bringing him on board. I wouldn't have put a bullet in him, but I would have just left him there.

That's cold and rather short sighted.
Here's a Geth who's fought on your side for reasons you don't know, it's worth taking him at least.
Putting him in the AI core? Not so much. For prudency's sake, put him next to an airlock while you observe him, if he acts up out he goes.
But again Legion in the AI room isn't the dumbest room decision on the Normandy, and frankly I trust Legion more than I trust Thane or Jack.

[Medet]

They should give you the option to remove EDI, and then when the collectors board the ship about 2/3 of the way through you get a BAD END.



T'would be hilarious.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Console Cowboy wrote...

also to erase EDI as your first act as commanding officer.

AI are not to be trusted. Shepard knows this.

Both EDI and Legion can be fully trusted. Its all in your mind.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 19 février 2010 - 05:13 .

[Kordras]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Kordras wrote...

Er... not really random. He helped you through the Reaper, spoke to you, is wearing N7 armor, and knew your name. I'd be pretty damn curious.

He also took lots of damage and lay on the ground like every other Geth body I've seen in the past. Also on Tali's Loyalty quest we've learned very directly what a bad plan bringing even parts of a geth onto a starship is.

Curious or not bringing him on board and storing him in the ship AI core is highly stupid.

I'm not really sure what him taking damage like any other geth has to do with anything... And the geth on Tali's mission were so dangerous because of their numbers. They manged to make more; a single geth is supposed to have as much intelligence as a 'animal'. And as far as the AI core goes, yea, it's not the ideal place, but Legion can connect from anywhere on the ship anyway.

[The Angry One]

EDI is a Cylon, to hell with her!

[Vaenier]

The Angry One wrote...

EDI is a Cylon, to hell with her!

Cylons are hot ^.=.^ just look at EDI's slick curves

[The Angry One]

Kordras wrote...
They manged to make more; a single geth is supposed to have as much intelligence as a 'animal'. And as far as the AI core goes, yea, it's not the ideal place, but Legion can connect from anywhere on the ship anyway.

Somewhat of a moot point since Legion is networked to an extent, and even if they didn't know that they know he's more intelligent than an animal by virtue of his decisions and him talking.

[The Angry One]

Vaenier wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

EDI is a Cylon, to hell with her!

Cylons are hot ^.=.^ just look at EDI's slick curves

You just want her to probe Uranus.

.. what? BioWare's joke, not mine. I'm blameless.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Angry One wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Naltair wrote...

But Legion is so cute.

I agree! But not at the time you have to make a snap decision about bringing him on board. I wouldn't have put a bullet in him, but I would have just left him there.

That's cold and rather short sighted.
Here's a Geth who's fought on your side for reasons you don't know, it's worth taking him at least.
Putting him in the AI core? Not so much. For prudency's sake, put him next to an airlock while you observe him, if he acts up out he goes.
But again Legion in the AI room isn't the dumbest room decision on the Normandy, and frankly I trust Legion more than I trust Thane or Jack.

Was he saving my life or just a very bad shot? He was firing a gun in my direction. Impossible to tell at the time, and he did have a big hole in him. He could have been malfunctioning very, very badly.

No way to know and too risky to find out. (Again: Tali loyalty mission. Geth parts on a starship, very very stupid)

Its not about trusting him once you wake him. Thats entirely different. Its about making a snap decision at the time you were leaving the Collector ship. I had much more important worries at that moment than a Geth stalker.

[Console Cowboy]

Medet wrote...

They should give you the option to remove EDI, and then when the collectors board the ship about 2/3 of the way through you get a BAD END.

T'would be hilarious.

i would have been perfectly happy if doing so resulted in NPC deaths and would absolutely import this play into ME3.

my issue is that i felt like making nice with EDI and recruiting Legion felt out of character for who i see as Shepard. several people have mentioned giving it to Cerberus as an option, but for my (Sole Survivor) Shepard that was no option. she hates Cerberus almost as much as she hates AI.

[The Angry One]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Was he saving my life or just a very bad shot? He was firing a gun in my direction. Impossible to tell at the time, and he did have a big hole in him. He could have been malfunctioning very, very badly.


No way to know and too risky to find out. (Again: Tali loyalty mission. Geth parts on a starship, very very stupid)

You might think that if he later on hadn't turned up to open the core for you and got whacked by Husks trying to help you.

Its not about trusting him once you wake him. Thats entirely different. Its about making a snap decision at the time you were leaving the Collector ship. I had much more important worries at that moment than a Geth stalker.

He either represents a whole intact Geth (something nobody has ever recovered) or a potential ally. And he knows you by name. That's worth taking along at least.

[Kordras]

The Angry One wrote...

Kordras wrote...
They manged to make more; a single geth is supposed to have as much intelligence as a 'animal'. And as far as the AI core goes, yea, it's not the ideal place, but Legion can connect from anywhere on the ship anyway.

Somewhat of a moot point since Legion is networked to an extent, and even if they didn't know that they know he's more intelligent than an animal by virtue of his decisions and him talking.

Well, I mean that's another reason not to just leave him there. It's like if in DA, one of the darkspawn helps you through a hostile area, talks to you,  then nearly dies to help you finish your mission, and you promptly return the favor by chopping his head off or just leaving him to bleed out.  I suppose they should give you the option to leave Legion, but I know I'd never choose to.

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Was
he saving my life or just a very bad shot? He was firing a gun in my
direction. Impossible to tell at the time, and he did have a big hole
in him. He could have been malfunctioning very, very badly.

But... he looked at you, lowered his gun, and said "Shepard-Commander" before walking off to help you some more. >_>

Modifié par Kordras, 19 février 2010 - 05:25 .

[Cutlass Jack]

The Angry One wrote...

You might think that if he later on hadn't turned up to open the core for you and got whacked by Husks trying to help you.

I saw a Geth getting whacked while trying to hack a terminal. All I knew is he was trying to reach it before I was. Maybe he was trying to take the info I needed? Nothing about that scene looked like 'helping' to me. You may have interpreted the scene differently, but thats my take on it.

He either represents a whole intact Geth (something nobody has ever recovered) or a potential ally. And he knows you by name. That's worth taking along at least.

Again, you're neglecting the trouble that just parts of broken Geth caused on a flotilla. Imagine what an intact one would do? Stupidly risky.  

And also, he didn't look terribly intact to me. There was a hole.

[Medet]

Console Cowboy wrote...

Medet wrote...

They should give you the option to remove EDI, and then when the collectors board the ship about 2/3 of the way through you get a BAD END.

T'would be hilarious.

i would have been perfectly happy if doing so resulted in NPC deaths and would absolutely import this play into ME3.

my issue is that i felt like making nice with EDI and recruiting Legion felt out of character for who i see as Shepard. several people have mentioned giving it to Cerberus as an option, but for my (Sole Survivor) Shepard that was no option. she hates Cerberus almost as much as she hates AI.

But... Joker would be dead.

D:

[Biotic_Warlock]

I think that if you bring legion to the find tali quest, i think it was that or another time, but unless you make a paragon interrupt, Tali shoots him.

[Vaenier]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You might think that if he later on hadn't turned up to open the core for you and got whacked by Husks trying to help you.

I saw a Geth getting whacked while trying to hack a terminal. All I knew is he was trying to reach it before I was. Maybe he was trying to take the info I needed? Nothing about that scene looked like 'helping' to me. You may have interpreted the scene differently, but thats my take on it.

Alternate reality where legion is not there:
Shepard and his squad have their backs up against the door, assult rifles unloading on the never ending waves of Husks. the reaper core is right behind them, but they have no way of opening the door, the controls are on the other side. Soom their ammo count reaches zero and they engage husks in hand to hand combat. it isnt long before they grow exhausted and are overtaken by the swarm.
CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE.

[Cutlass Jack]

Vaenier wrote...

Alternate reality where legion is not there:
Shepard and his squad have their backs up against the door, assult rifles unloading on the never ending waves of Husks. the reaper core is right behind them, but they have no way of opening the door, the controls are on the other side. Soom their ammo count reaches zero and they engage husks in hand to hand combat. it isnt long before they grow exhausted and are overtaken by the swarm.
CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE.

And how did Legion get into that room? Tali could hack any door he could and she was with me.