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[MaaZeus]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You might think that if he later on hadn't turned up to open the core for you and got whacked by Husks trying to help you.

I saw a Geth getting whacked while trying to hack a terminal. All I knew is he was trying to reach it before I was. Maybe he was trying to take the info I needed? Nothing about that scene looked like 'helping' to me. You may have interpreted the scene differently, but thats my take on it.

IIRC the core-room was locked down. Legion clearly opened it for you (and Shepard saw it too) before being knocked out.

[Vaenier]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Alternate reality where legion is not there:
Shepard and his squad have their backs up against the door, assult rifles unloading on the never ending waves of Husks. the reaper core is right behind them, but they have no way of opening the door, the controls are on the other side. Soom their ammo count reaches zero and they engage husks in hand to hand combat. it isnt long before they grow exhausted and are overtaken by the swarm.
CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE.

And how did Legion get into that room? Tali could hack any door he could and she was with me.

He used his Geth super powers to climb the wal and enter through the vents? Maybe you should ask him, if you didnt just murder him for being different than you. >..>

[MaaZeus]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Alternate reality where legion is not there:
Shepard and his squad have their backs up against the door, assult rifles unloading on the never ending waves of Husks. the reaper core is right behind them, but they have no way of opening the door, the controls are on the other side. Soom their ammo count reaches zero and they engage husks in hand to hand combat. it isnt long before they grow exhausted and are overtaken by the swarm.
CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE.

And how did Legion get into that room? Tali could hack any door he could and she was with me.

Because the plot says so? Honestly though I have no idea how he got there unless there was another way, climbing through vents like Husks do or whatever.

*edit* too late

Modifié par MaaZeus, 19 février 2010 - 05:36 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Cutlass Jack is just in denial, I bet he also believes Legion was aiming for Shepard but just had missed twice.

[Stinkface27]

Poor Legion =(

[GenericPlayer2]

Legion is already optional as a squad member. You can keep him and never turn him on, you can sell him to Cerberus, or you can recruit him. I only wish some of the other team mates offered us such options *cough*Jack*cough*

[Biotic_Warlock]

Legion is Gangster! he is like one of the coolest squad members.

[Cutlass Jack]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Cutlass Jack is just in denial, I bet he also believes Legion was aiming for Shepard but just had missed twice.

No Cutlass Jack just doesn't Metagame. I do like Legion. Never regretted having him on board afterwards. Just if given a choice at that time, with the information I currently had, I never would have risked bringing a Geth on the Normandy. If I knew what I'd learn later, of course I'd bring him.

Again, since everyone loves ignoring this part, just bringing the parts of a geth onto a Flotilla ship caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact one on board is beyond stupid.

[Vaenier]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Again, since everyone loves ignoring this part, just bringing the parts of a geth onto a Flotilla ship caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact one on board is beyond stupid.

Again, since you love ignoring this part. just bringing the parts of a heretic onto a Flotilla ship caused nothng to happen. Using the parts to construct a hundred Heretics caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact Geth onboard is the right thing to do.

[Mariquis]

People probably are ignoring that part because it's not that relevant. Geth parts were brought onto a ship. And later the ship was taken over by Geth. This is fact. But the huge giant middle chunk you're missing is that the best Quarian scientists were rebuilding them fully intact, activating them, then attempting to use them for weapons testing. The Geth parts would have been entirely harmless had the scientists not invested a lot of their time and energy specifically putting them back into working order, and activating them.

Edit: ninja'd

Modifié par Mariquis, 19 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Cutlass Jack wrote...
No Cutlass Jack just doesn't Metagame.

Neither do I, I just knew that dumping the Geth wouldn't be as possibly beneficial as taking it inside for possible analysis by Tali and/or Cerberus. It was an opportunity I wouldn't let go to waste, and as Jacob so eloquently said if we need to shut it down "Bullets can". One Geth can't build many in just five minutes, they require assembly still.

Again, since everyone loves ignoring this part, just bringing the parts of a geth onto a Flotilla ship caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact one on board is beyond stupid.

I think you're forgetting that it wasn't Geth parts that caused to Flotilla to be attacked, it was reassembling Geth, activating them, and intentionally allowing them to create a neural network with each other that was the mistake.

[Remaix]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Cutlass Jack is just in denial, I bet he also believes Legion was aiming for Shepard but just had missed twice.

No Cutlass Jack just doesn't Metagame. I do like Legion. Never regretted having him on board afterwards. Just if given a choice at that time, with the information I currently had, I never would have risked bringing a Geth on the Normandy. If I knew what I'd learn later, of course I'd bring him.

Again, since everyone loves ignoring this part, just bringing the parts of a geth onto a Flotilla ship caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact one on board is beyond stupid.

With the information Shepard had, at that time, s/he knew several things:

• This was an opportunity to acquire an active geth, something that had never happened before.
• Said geth spoke.
• Said geth killed a husk, instead of shooting Shepard.
• Even if said geth would turn out to be dangerous, they could easily de-active it.
• Not to mention the many ways they could disable it should the above option be impossible.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Cutlass Shepard is a coward

[Cutlass Jack]

Vaenier wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Again, since everyone loves ignoring this part, just bringing the parts of a geth onto a Flotilla ship caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact one on board is beyond stupid.

Again, since you love ignoring this part. just bringing the parts of a heretic onto a Flotilla ship caused nothng to happen. Using the parts to construct a hundred Heretics caused it to get taken over by them. My Shepard saw that firsthand. Bringing an intact Geth onboard is the right thing to do.

So in your opinion, problems started on the Flotilla once fully intact Geth were involved? Hmm.

There was nothing right or wrong about it. Shepard certainly had no idea there were two factions of Geth at the time. No history of a Geth doing anything other than desiring to destroy all organic life. No real moral issue involved. Just an assessment of risk vs. reward. A smaller version of the decision you make at the collector base.

I have no problem with you deciding to take the risk. Only that there was no choice not to take the risk of bringing it on board. My curiosity about the geth did not exceed the security risk it posed. And I certainly wasn't going to let Cerberus get their hands on it.

[Vaenier]

How does saving a Geth that has saved your own life and could provide good intel or even an allie not outway the risk of having to shoot it later? Are you seriously that afraid of what a single unarmed geth could do against a ship of marines and an AI that could run circles around it?

[Nastrod]

I do not trust Legion at all. There should have been a 3rd option the one that Jacob said and just deep space him. His first acts-



-Tries to send vital Migrant fleet info to the rest of the Geth.

-Tries to access your ship's computer system until EDI lets you know

-Tell you they were doing social behavior experiments on organic life

-HIs upgrade he also wants to access you ships computer



All that in around 3 conversations you get to have with him.



I know the enemy of your enemy is your friend but Geth are still the enemy but Shep can just team up with them against the greater evil. I would have listened to Jacob and spaced him though.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Nastrod wrote...

I do not trust Legion at all. There should have been a 3rd option the one that Jacob said and just deep space him. His first acts-

-Tries to send vital Migrant fleet info to the rest of the Geth.

How horrible, I mean you wouldn't do the same thing if you found oh say... horrible experiments being done on humans now would you?

-Tries to access your ship's computer system until EDI lets you know

He doesn't try to access your ship computers, he tries to access the collective but EDI's firewall is blocking him and he requires permission.

There is a difference.

-Tell you they were doing social behavior experiments on organic life

Organics do this all of the time, hardly something to freak out about and determine is hostile. If you want to understand something why wouldn't you want to understand how it thinks and what it does? Hell it was a perfect example of how illogical the religiously devout can be.

-HIs upgrade he also wants to access you ships computer

Once again, trying to bypass your firewall so he can access information for the Widow Sniper Rifle. Not trying to hack your system.

I know the enemy of your enemy is your friend but Geth are still the enemy 

And why are they still your enemy?

Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 19 février 2010 - 06:27 .

[CmdrFenix83]

ABCoLD wrote...

glasgoo21 wrote...


Well, actualy I don't know who to trust, many of your squadmates can turn against you/are potentialy hazardous

Anyone tried to destroy the big thing at the end with Miranda on your squad and having NOT done her loyalty quest?  Does she still act the same?  Cause that would be dumb.

She does act the same.  However, she'll die from the fall.  She didn't side with Shepard because she was loyal to him, she sided against the Illusive Man because she saw what horrible things that base did to people.

[CmdrFenix83]

shaneho78 wrote...

I don't get this whole "I am reluctant to recruit so and so because I do not trust him/her." Even if there is a betrayal by a crew member, this can potentially (assuming the story allows for such betrayals) lead to a dramatic/emotional set piece which probably includes an epic battle. So if you don't recruit him/her, you miss out on a chunk of the story no matter what.

It's called Role-Playing.  My first Shepard didn't trust Legion at all.  Still kept him and activated him, but lost his loyalty during the confrontation with Tali.  Then again, my 'main' Shepard is distrustful of any race that has proved to be hostile.  IE, killed the Rachni Queen, killed Wrex, blew up the Heretic Geth, refused to let Legion do anything important on the suicide mission, etc.

[CmdrFenix83]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yeah randomly deciding to bring this geth on board considering all the ones I didn't bother on made no sense to me. Let alone thinking the AI room would be a good storage spot. It was about the stupidest decision Shepard could make next to sleeping with Morinth. Not that I actually got to make a decision on it.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Legion. But the way he joins felt very forced and made no sense.

This too, I always assumed they would store him in the Airlock initially.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Console Cowboy wrote...

also to erase EDI as your first act as commanding officer.

AI are not to be trusted. Shepard knows this.

And freakin' stay glued to yer Telebision, with yer consoled controller!

Kids and the waste of a TV!!

[Speakeasy13]

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

This is racism against AI.

You humans are all racist.

But I'm not racist! I love Legion! Can I get a hug from you?

[chool77]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

This is racism against AI.

You humans are all racist.

But I'm not racist! I love Legion! Can I get a hug from you?

hell no!!!! *slaps your hands down*


were giveing this piece of **** to the quarian's, im sure they would love it........... never mind

[Console Cowboy]

ohupthis wrote...

Console Cowboy wrote...

also to erase EDI as your first act as commanding officer.

AI are not to be trusted. Shepard knows this.

And freakin' stay glued to yer Telebision, with yer consoled controller!

Kids and the waste of a TV!!

if you're going to troll my thread please gain a measure of subtlety.

[Computron2000]

People, you need to differeniate between "in character" choices and what we as a player know (Big missing place in the squad screen and the might greyed out acheivement are major spoilers). Its totally possible for the OP to "in character" feel a need to trash all AI but this is a technical restriction. There is no way for a CRPG to be totally non railroad unless a human is involved.



Also with EDI's removal, it is very likely that several missions end in total failure. Of the greatest import is the final mission. Did anyone notice that the entire team is consistently dependent on EDI? From the scanning phase to find the vents, to Miranda actually asking EDI "EDI whats the next step". Too dependent actually