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[BattleVisor]

I find Hale's voice very annoying, cant bear to even listen,

Sounds like her mouth is stuffed with cotton wool

Modifié par BattleVisor, 19 février 2010 - 09:16 .

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

smudboy wrote...

SL22 wrote...

So why can't he put that much emotion into male Shepard's voice?

I think it's because he and Hale have to play the"everyday" guy/girl that everyone can relate to.  They only really get emotional with P/R choices, or romance.

Jennifer, well, she's just the best there is, although a lot of her lines are flat too (because they're supposed to be.)

Nah I don't buy it. Hale acts the role well. Yeah some of the "give me info" dialogs are dull but eh, how exciting can anyone make "What's this area of the ship?" sound?
Meer.. I just don't get any vibe from him even during what's supposed to be emotional dialog.

Therefore I come up with these possibilities.

1) Meer is a bad actor.
2) Meer doesn't care about the Shepard role.
3) Meer was deliberately told to be monotone, because males feel threatened by other men with personality, especially if they're playing as them.

1) seems unlikely given his other roles, 2) would just be stupid.
I therefore say it is 3). My logic is flawless.

Way to live up to your name. Ever consider that dialogue has to flow? Meer and Hale can be compassionate, ruthless, or "just want info". If they tried to convey a lot of emotion in both Paragon and Renegade options, the dialogue wouldn't flow, because you could first say something really nice manner, only to seem bipolar because you chose the Renegade option the 2nd time. In order for all the information to blend, the VA have to be in somewhat of a monotone.

It takes a good VA to put ENOUGH inflection on their lines so that it seems genuine, and the dialogue collaborates well. I honestly tried to give Hale a chance, and she did a good job for 2 Renegade playthroughs on on ME1, but then I tried her in ME2 as a Paragon and it seemed her Paragon "nice" dialogue choices didn't sound nice all the time (don't get me started on the romance dialogue), whereas Meer really did sound compassionate, sympathetic, romantic, inquisitorial, etc. Not to mention this hilarious interview of Meer I read, it's hard not to like a comedian.

On topic, I really don't see how anyone can tell Meer behind a Volus voice. I'll have to watch for these NPC's when I play tonight. The "you go" guy on Thanes recruit mission was one of my favorite "comm" moments, can't believe I didn't connect Meer to that guy.

[cerberus1701]

BattleVisor wrote...

I find Hale's voice very annoying, cant bear to even listen,

Sounds like her mouth is stuffed with cotton wool

And I find Meer an acceptable subsitute when my Ambien doesn't work.

To each their own.

[WrexKroganKing]

The Angry One wrote...

WrexKroganKing wrote...

Meer > Hale. Hale sounds ridiculously hamfisted and forceful most of the time, bordering on chewing the proverbial stage and the ridiculous obsession with her is born out of the superiority complex the (laughable) minority of rabid FemShep devotees exhibit.

I.E 'we love FemShep and since we're in the minority obviously Hale is superior to Meer.' It's a means of compensating for the lack of numbers with ridiculous assertions about voice acting ability.

The fact that no one here is deriding Meer other than external factors affecting his performance while you are borderline flaming Hale shows your lack of conviction and your sexism.
Obvious troll is obvious. Go back to your bridge.

People on this board are ignorant idiots who have no idea what a troll actually means, and they simply take it to be the umbrella insult they apply to anyone who disagrees with their own (usually) asinine position. 

I am not sexist, just because I believe a woman gives an inferior performance does not mean I believe that performance is inferior because she is a woman. Idiot. Hale's performance is inferior for the reasons I stated, she over acts constantly, her lines are far too forceful and in a lot of areas nauseatingly flirtatious. She is ham fisted, scene chewingly awful. 

Not because she is a woman. Because she sucks. Get over your wounded pride and realise that such fervent ardour is nothing more than a pathetic comfort blanket used a substitute for actual majority consensus. 

[SymbolicGamer]

I hate this stupid bandwagon everyone seems to be on. Jane Shepard's voice acting is no better than John Shepard's. In fact, John Shepard's dialogue is better because the lines are written with him in mind. For the most part Jane Shepard just repeats everything he says.

[The Angry One]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

I hate this stupid bandwagon everyone seems to be on. Jane Shepard's voice acting is no better than John Shepard's. In fact, John Shepard's dialogue is better because the lines are written with him in mind. For the most part Jane Shepard just repeats everything he says.

Yes it can't POSSIBLY have been written with both in mind. You fail.

Modifié par The Angry One, 19 février 2010 - 11:30 .

[SymbolicGamer]

Quiet you. John Shepard is the posterboy. He's the one with the unique appearance. The lines are written for him and as a result, Jane Shepard sounds manly 99% of the time.

Modifié par SymbolicGamer, 19 février 2010 - 11:36 .

[ladyshara]

Huh. I never recognized Meer's voice anywhere else. Must not have a very good ear. Cool if he is the volus though.

And I think Hale's voice is smexxy so neeeener.

Modifié par ladyshara, 19 février 2010 - 11:39 .

[JJ Long]

Tried playing with a female shep once, wasn't a fan of the voice. But that is just my personal preference.

I do find Meer to have a good amount of subtle humor that he throw in there in the tone he delivers.

[Skilled Seeker]

Hale > Meer.

/thread

[Greenhelm]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Hale > Meer.
/thread

Fact =/= opinion

[chem light]

Hahaha...I always played femShep so I never noticed. I could totally tell when says "But he still knows the systems." Mwuahahahaha...that's hilarious. OH man.. I don't know if I can import my male Shep now.

[InvaderErl]

Here we go again.

[chem light]

Put the video at 2:03, you can totally hear it.

[SlySpy00]

I do often hear Mark Meer's voice when scanning for anomalies in ME2. He seems to voice a lot of those "beacon transmitter guys".

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

SymbolicGamer wrote...

I hate this stupid bandwagon everyone seems to be on. Jane Shepard's voice acting is no better than John Shepard's. In fact, John Shepard's dialogue is better because the lines are written with him in mind. For the most part Jane Shepard just repeats everything he says.

Yes it can't POSSIBLY have been written with both in mind. You fail.

Don't see many ME trailers featuring Jennifer Hale. Also can't argue against the fact that the majority of the developers are males that think like males, or that that John Shepard is modeled after Mark Vanderloo (real person), while Jane Shepard is modeled after the Custom Creation Screen (which would explain the lack of marketing with Jane).  

Anyways, back to OP, I talked with "Fade" and he didn't sound like Meer at first but after a certain line there was no doubt.  Can't wait to get to the Flotilla to check out the Quarian greeter. 

Also I'm wondering, does Liz Sroka do any other voices? Particularly the Crime in Progress Quarian on the Citadel, or the Indentured Servant on Illium?

[AntWrig]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SymbolicGamer wrote...

I hate this stupid bandwagon everyone seems to be on. Jane Shepard's voice acting is no better than John Shepard's. In fact, John Shepard's dialogue is better because the lines are written with him in mind. For the most part Jane Shepard just repeats everything he says.

Yes it can't POSSIBLY have been written with both in mind. You fail.

Don't see many ME trailers featuring Jennifer Hale. Also can't argue against the fact that the majority of the developers are males that think like males, or that that John Shepard is modeled after Mark Vanderloo (real person), while Jane Shepard is modeled after the Custom Creation Screen (which would explain the lack of marketing with Jane).  

Anyways, back to OP, I talked with "Fade" and he didn't sound like Meer at first but after a certain line there was no doubt.  Can't wait to get to the Flotilla to check out the Quarian greeter. 

Also I'm wondering, does Liz Sroka do any other voices? Particularly the Crime in Progress Quarian on the Citadel, or the Indentured Servant on Illium?

Pwned.

[GenericPlayer2]

I don't know about hearing Meer on other characters, but I have heard what I thought was Hale's voice.



In Zaeed's loyalty quest, after you encounter the first group of mercs and defeat them, there is a voice over the radio that says something like "Reinforcements have arrived - We got your backs". It sounded a lot like Hale, but a second opinion would be nice.

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Don't see many ME trailers featuring Jennifer Hale.

An oversight on BioWare's part.

Also can't argue against the fact that the majority of the developers are males that think like males,

Can't argue against the fact that the majority (if not all) of the developers are not space marines and probably haven't been in the military.

or that that John Shepard is modeled after Mark Vanderloo (real person), while Jane Shepard is modeled after the Custom Creation Screen (which would explain the lack of marketing with Jane). 

Mark Vanderloo is an effete ponce of a male model, whom they modelled on because they wanted a mascot and were lazy. Try again.

[The Angry One]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

Quiet you. John Shepard is the posterboy. He's the one with the unique appearance. The lines are written for him and as a result, Jane Shepard sounds manly 99% of the time.

Mascot. Appearance of a fool. FemShep sounds like a marine. Try again.

Modifié par The Angry One, 20 février 2010 - 04:03 .

[Kordras]

I personally think Hale does a better job (though Meer got much better this time around). I just can't play a female character for some reason. I just don't feel as attached. Meer still does fine though. It sounds hilarious when he says Tuchanka though. XD

[Onyx Jaguar]

cerberus1701 wrote...

BattleVisor wrote...

I find Hale's voice very annoying, cant bear to even listen,

Sounds like her mouth is stuffed with cotton wool

And I find Meer an acceptable subsitute when my Ambien doesn't work.

To each their own.

Ha!

Also my renegade Shep is a man and most of his Renegade choices sound a bit whiny which is perfect since the character I made looks a bit like an ass.

[Lareit]

Mark Meer does an excellent job. Shepard is a soldier with a job and duty in mind. His business tone works and if does adjust to fit the emotional billing as necessary. It's natural with the sheer absurd number of lines he has that some will come across flat.



Jennifer Hale I have been a huge fan of forever, but I don't hear as good a level of neutrality in some of her deliveries.



That said, most voice acting flaws is on the head of the Director, not the voice actors themselves. But even they have to listen and approve countless lines of dialogue.

Don't nitpick, accept that the vast majority of the dialogue is delivered well and the lines that don't are just oversight.

[Urazz]

smudboy wrote...

SL22 wrote...

So why can't he put that much emotion into male Shepard's voice?

Though I definitely agree, he and Hale don't have enough personal situations to get emotional over.  Does Shepard ever get happy or sad?  He yells during some fighting scenes.

I think it's because he and Hale have to play the"everyday" guy/girl that everyone can relate to.  They only really get emotional with P/R choices, or romance.

Jennifer, well, she's just the best there is, although a lot of her lines are flat too (because they're supposed to be.)

I dunno, I don't think Hale does that good at renegade compared to Meer.  Meer is just able to pull that "I'm a Jackass" tone quite well when doing renegade lines.  Hale does better paragon and a bit better at neutral stuff I think.  That and Hale sounds like she always wants to jump Jacob's bones when talking to him on the Normandy as Shepard.

The Angry One wrote...

smudboy wrote...

SL22 wrote...

So why can't he put that much emotion into male Shepard's voice?

I think it's because he and Hale have to play the"everyday" guy/girl that everyone can relate to.  They only really get emotional with P/R choices, or romance.

Jennifer, well, she's just the best there is, although a lot of her lines are flat too (because they're supposed to be.)

Nah I don't buy it. Hale acts the role well. Yeah some of the "give me info" dialogs are dull but eh, how exciting can anyone make "What's this area of the ship?" sound?
Meer.. I just don't get any vibe from him even during what's supposed to be emotional dialog.

Therefore I come up with these possibilities.

1) Meer is a bad actor.
2) Meer doesn't care about the Shepard role.
3) Meer was deliberately told to be monotone, because males feel threatened by other men with personality, especially if they're playing as them.

1) seems unlikely given his other roles, 2) would just be stupid.
I therefore say it is 3). My logic is flawless.

I agree. I think 3 is the best choice.  Personally, I rather see more emotion in both Hale and Meer as Shepard in all choices.

Modifié par Urazz, 20 février 2010 - 04:06 .

[The Angry One]

You know what a lot of you forget is, and let's remind everyone now, SHEPARD DIED AND CAME BACK.

Hale conveys this, she sounds more jaded than before, like she's been through hell and back as Shepard has.

Meer is business as usual. Some people like that, and whatever. Their opinion. But it doesn't fit what the character has gone through.