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[Onyx Jaguar]

Also I think I hate Mark Meer's delivery of Shepard because it reminds me of my voice and I sound like a complete ass. More sarcasm in his delivery would have a spot on impression of me SPOT ON

[Lareit]

The Angry One wrote...

You know what a lot of you forget is, and let's remind everyone now, SHEPARD DIED AND CAME BACK.
Hale conveys this, she sounds more jaded than before, like she's been through hell and back as Shepard has.
Meer is business as usual. Some people like that, and whatever. Their opinion. But it doesn't fit what the character has gone through.

It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

She died, but was brought back by science, she hasn't been through hell and back, she simply was put under for an operation.

[The Angry One]

Urazz wrote...

 That and Hale sounds like she always wants to jump Jacob's bones when talking to him on the Normandy as Shepard.

You know I disliked that too, but I put that down to bad writing. Frankly all the romances for both genders to me seemed a bit... off. I don't know. Too sudden and trite. Well except Garrus, but then I have a soft spot for him.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The Angry One wrote...

Urazz wrote...

 That and Hale sounds like she always wants to jump Jacob's bones when talking to him on the Normandy as Shepard.

You know I disliked that too, but I put that down to bad writing. Frankly all the romances for both genders to me seemed a bit... off. I don't know. Too sudden and trite. Well except Garrus, but then I have a soft spot for him.

That bothered me to, on subsequent playthroughs I just never talked to Jacob as a female Shepard because I didn't want to start things.  At least with Garrus and even Thane it was a bit more subdued.  With Jacob it was in your face first convo >_<

[The Angry One]

Lareit wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know what a lot of you forget is, and let's remind everyone now, SHEPARD DIED AND CAME BACK.
Hale conveys this, she sounds more jaded than before, like she's been through hell and back as Shepard has.
Meer is business as usual. Some people like that, and whatever. Their opinion. But it doesn't fit what the character has gone through.

It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

She died, but was brought back by science, she hasn't been through hell and back, she simply was put under for an operation.

Dude, Shep was spaced, suffocated, woke under the operating table at least once then woke again and immediately had to fight his/her way out.
And that's not all, there's the emotional impact. Losing 2 years, the Normandy, Shep's crew. That'll jade anyone.

[DaeJi]

Hale has a wider range of tones than Meer does when it comes to Shepard. They both do a good job, but she does have more peaks and valleys than he does. Who is better comes down to personal taste; playstyle (i.e. paragon or renegade) also plays a role in deciding who is better.

[Lareit]

The Angry One wrote...

Lareit wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know what a lot of you forget is, and let's remind everyone now, SHEPARD DIED AND CAME BACK.
Hale conveys this, she sounds more jaded than before, like she's been through hell and back as Shepard has.
Meer is business as usual. Some people like that, and whatever. Their opinion. But it doesn't fit what the character has gone through.

It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

She died, but was brought back by science, she hasn't been through hell and back, she simply was put under for an operation.

Dude, Shep was spaced, suffocated, woke under the operating table at least once then woke again and immediately had to fight his/her way out.
And that's not all, there's the emotional impact. Losing 2 years, the Normandy, Shep's crew. That'll jade anyone.

Suffocated? No, he lost consciouness in under 30 seconds after his suit lost compression. He didn't feel almost anything.

Waking up under the operating table is hardly traumatizing. And fighting his way out probably made shepard feel at home. Shepard likes kicking ass.
Losing 2 years is hard, the normandy and the crew, but most shepard origins are worse then that. If you want to be jaded you can go the renegade route, but it shouldn't be neutral.

[xXDWARFAREXx]

Lareit wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know what a lot of you forget is, and let's remind everyone now, SHEPARD DIED AND CAME BACK.
Hale conveys this, she sounds more jaded than before, like she's been through hell and back as Shepard has.
Meer is business as usual. Some people like that, and whatever. Their opinion. But it doesn't fit what the character has gone through.

It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

She died, but was brought back by science, she hasn't been through hell and back, she simply was put under for an operation.

Yeah, I don't think it was 'that' great an ordeal.  I mean look at it realistically from Shepard's view.  Went unconscious in space, woke up on an operating table.  Hell, aside from the "in space" part, that's about as much as I go through after a particularly awesome night, and I don't wake up jaded with a completely different view on life struggling to reflect it in my every spoken word to people I randomly come across. 

He didn't claw his way out of hell, he basically got knocked out and woke up a bit disoriented.  Yeah, lots of stuff happened, but Shepard isn't some overly/unstable emotional kind of guy who will let that effect his self-appointed mission.  He's there to save the whole damn galaxy, and he's got a second chance at it, and he's not going to waste it getting all jaded and mopy. 

[jstne]

Lareit wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know what a lot of you forget is, and let's remind everyone now, SHEPARD DIED AND CAME BACK.
Hale conveys this, she sounds more jaded than before, like she's been through hell and back as Shepard has.
Meer is business as usual. Some people like that, and whatever. Their opinion. But it doesn't fit what the character has gone through.

It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

She died, but was brought back by science, she hasn't been through hell and back, she simply was put under for an operation.

Kratos?

[The Angry One]

Lareit wrote...

Suffocated? No, he lost consciouness in under 30 seconds after his suit lost compression. He didn't feel almost anything.

... you didn't hear Shep gasping for air and desperately flailing about?

Waking up under the operating table is hardly traumatizing.

Um.. what? Yes it freaking is.

And fighting his way out probably made shepard feel at home. Shepard likes kicking ass.

Yeah nothing like waking up with a splitting headache with your muscles hurting due to no movement for two years with intrusive implants in your body and being expected to fight your way out.

Losing 2 years is hard, the normandy and the crew, but most shepard origins are worse then that. If you want to be jaded you can go the renegade route, but it shouldn't be neutral.

Those are history, whereas coming back from the dead are very recent.
Besides, it's not like Hale is jaded all the time, simply that her performance has this nuance when it's called for, like after meeting Kaidan/Ashley, Shep can say "I don't need this garbage." I felt the emotion in Hale's performance. The emotion of someone who feels like they just lost a friend.

[Lareit]

jstne wrote...

Lareit wrote...



It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

Kratos?

[Sarcasm] Shhh, don't spoil it. It was supposed to be abscure [/Sarcasm]

[The Angry One]

I really think some people are deeply underestimating the emotional effects of suffocating in space. I for one would not consider that a memory to easily get over.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Lareit wrote...

jstne wrote...

Lareit wrote...



It's not like shepard climbed mountains of blood, flesh, and blades out of hell on a trip to exact vengance on the god that caused him to murder his family.

Kratos?

[Sarcasm] Shhh, don't spoil it. It was supposed to be abscure [/Sarcasm]

I will say that after that part I became completely furious and ended up a changed person.  So I can see where you are going with that argument!

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 20 février 2010 - 04:20 .

[InvaderErl]

The Angry One wrote...

I really think some people are deeply underestimating the emotional effects of suffocating in space. I for one would not consider that a memory to easily get over.

I have to agree. Whether it took a long time or not, that must have sucked.

[Lareit]

The Angry One wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Suffocated? No, he lost consciouness in under 30 seconds after his suit lost compression. He didn't feel almost anything.

... you didn't hear Shep gasping for air and desperately flailing about?

Waking up under the operating table is hardly traumatizing.

Um.. what? Yes it freaking is.

And fighting his way out probably made shepard feel at home. Shepard likes kicking ass.

Yeah nothing like waking up with a splitting headache with your muscles hurting due to no movement for two years with intrusive implants in your body and being expected to fight your way out.

Losing 2 years is hard, the normandy and the crew, but most shepard origins are worse then that. If you want to be jaded you can go the renegade route, but it shouldn't be neutral.

Those are history, whereas coming back from the dead are very recent.
Besides, it's not like Hale is jaded all the time, simply that her performance has this nuance when it's called for, like after meeting Kaidan/Ashley, Shep can say "I don't need this garbage." I felt the emotion in Hale's performance. The emotion of someone who feels like they just lost a friend.

He was gasping due to panic, the instant his suit ws breached the pressure difference caused him to pass out in roughly 30 seconds. He didn't have time to suffocate.

And waking up on an operating table is traumatic to namby pambies like us. To Commander Shepard it's not even worth making a mental note about.

[The Angry One]

Lareit wrote...

He was gasping due to panic, the instant his suit ws breached the pressure difference caused him to pass out in roughly 30 seconds. He didn't have time to suffocate.

And waking up on an operating table is traumatic to namby pambies like us. To Commander Shepard it's not even worth making a mental note about.

You should listen again, Shep is clearly gasping for air s/he doesn't have. Shep may have lost conciousness before complete suffocation and death but the awareness of the situation was there.
And when Shep wakes up the first time, Shep is again gasping and panicking, clearly not taking it in stride.

Modifié par The Angry One, 20 février 2010 - 04:24 .

[Lareit]

The Angry One wrote...

Lareit wrote...

He was gasping due to panic, the instant his suit ws breached the pressure difference caused him to pass out in roughly 30 seconds. He didn't have time to suffocate.

And waking up on an operating table is traumatic to namby pambies like us. To Commander Shepard it's not even worth making a mental note about.

You should listen again, Shep is clearly gasping for air s/he doesn't have.
And when Shep wakes up the first time, Shep is again gasping and panicking, clearly not taking it in stride.

You can't GASP for air if there isn't any. Just like you can't scream for help. If you can't breath you can't exhale. He had air, it was just escaping when his suit was breached. He would have run out of air, but the depressurization made oxygen a moot point.

Also, he was waking up groggy and disoriented, he wasn't gasping and flailing about.

[ToshiStation38]

I like Meer's acting. I'm not really going to bother comparing, but I'm very happy with his acting and his voice. It suits my Shepard really well, in that stoic kind of way.

[InvaderErl]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

I like Meer's acting. I'm not really going to bother comparing, but I'm very happy with his acting and his voice. It suits my Shepard really well, in that stoic kind of way.

I find Meer's Shep is at best when employing snark and other comedic situations, especially with Conrad - he portrays the hate so well.

[xXDWARFAREXx]

The Angry One wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Suffocated? No, he lost consciouness in under 30 seconds after his suit lost compression. He didn't feel almost anything.

... you didn't hear Shep gasping for air and desperately flailing about?  

 

Yeah, but that's not exactly painful.  Panic does not equal pain.  Now if Shepard had taken a shot to the stomach and laid on the ground in agony for a few hours, yeah, that'd hurt.  But passing out in space?  Not so much.  I've been choked out before (Some friends I have...) and it wasn't painful, but quite disorienting.

Waking up under the operating table is hardly traumatizing.

Um.. what? Yes it freaking is. 

Yeah traumatic and shocking for a brief period, but not quite in a way that should alter one's personality.  If I was in Shep's position, I would consider myself quite lucky.  "What happened?  Oh, you fixed me?  How long will it be until I'm recovered from my awful injuries?  Will I be crippled?  What's that?  Better than ever?  Well... sweet.  Where's that pistol, again?"     Okay, some exaggeration there, on my part.

And fighting his way out probably made shepard feel at home. Shepard likes kicking ass.

Yeah nothing like waking up with a splitting headache with your muscles hurting due to no movement for two years with intrusive implants in your body and being expected to fight your way out. 

Well, he was dead for most of those years.  His muscles shouldn't hurt because they shouldn't have had time to atrophy given the complete rejuvenation of the Lazarus project, and the intrusive implants likely required no invasive procedures seeing as there was probably a good bit of bared bone to begin with.  Besides, everything was fully rejuvenated, just a little scarring left to heal over (or not, depending on how good Karma is with a knife...)

[Onyx Jaguar]

Lareit wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lareit wrote...

He was gasping due to panic, the instant his suit ws breached the pressure difference caused him to pass out in roughly 30 seconds. He didn't have time to suffocate.

And waking up on an operating table is traumatic to namby pambies like us. To Commander Shepard it's not even worth making a mental note about.

You should listen again, Shep is clearly gasping for air s/he doesn't have.
And when Shep wakes up the first time, Shep is again gasping and panicking, clearly not taking it in stride.

You can't GASP for air if there isn't any. Just like you can't scream for help. If you can't breath you can't exhale. He had air, it was just escaping when his suit was breached. He would have run out of air, but the depressurization made oxygen a moot point.

Also, he was waking up groggy and disoriented, he wasn't gasping and flailing about.

It is not really that clear what happens with Shepard's suit, it could very well be CO2 that could cause that problem as since the suit malfunctioned it may not have been filtered out.  Thus causing a choking reaction.

[The Angry One]

Lareit wrote...

You can't GASP for air if there isn't any. Just like you can't scream for help. If you can't breath you can't exhale. He had air, it was just escaping when his suit was breached. He would have run out of air, but the depressurization made oxygen a moot point.

You do gasp if there is LITTLE air left. That's what gasping is for, only there's little air left both in the lungs and in the suit.

Also, he was waking up groggy and disoriented, he wasn't gasping and flailing about.

Shep is the first time, gasping and vital signs going out of control, it's why they put Shep under again.

[ToshiStation38]

I always figured suffocating would hurt like hell.

[nenri]

i like hale's acting better than Meer, so much that it is quite difficult for me to play male shepard and be engaged in my, oh, 7th playthrough now ? ^__^
My first ME1 playthrough was with default male shep, and I found the game rather derivative... I was at vimire if i remember correctly when I shelved the game. Then the ME2 buzz came like a biotic wind, and i started a new playthrough, with a female shepard, thinking maybe it will feel a bit different, like Kotor.
oh boy was I wrong. it was a totally different experience, i was engaged, surprised, sad , angry during every minute of the ME story and nearly cardiac when Shep and Wrex went at it. The first playthrough, I felt nothing.

Mark Meer did a great job in ME2, he now actually uses his so-called monotone deliveries like a personality trait of his Shepard, a very laid back détachement even when the galaxy is on fire. It made his Shepard in ME2 very cool, very James Dean, which worked way better than generic alpha male Hiro Protagonist we had in ME1. And after so many hours of ME1 story, writers and directors know their actors, the dialogue fits like a suit.

As usual, men look great in suits, women look fantastic in them.

I work in 3d animation, and I listen to lines and lines of dialogue in loops for days every day just working on shots, and I know a great voice when I hear one. Jen Hale's is engaging, and it makes you want to animate just listening to her. That's the best compliment I can give to an actor, or in that case, an actress.

Meer in ME2 is very very good, but I hear, I know and I recognize that Hale is better. Kudos to Bioware for sticking to their stars.

Modifié par nenri, 20 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[xXDWARFAREXx]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

I always figured suffocating would hurt like hell.

I always felt the beginnings it more as extreme discomfort/instinctual panic rather than straight pain, such as it took to repeatedly lose the "hold your breath" contests at the pool...